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All Forum Posts by: Jon Q.

Jon Q. has started 101 posts and replied 1434 times.

Post: Disabled rental applicant sues landlord for discrimination

Jon Q.Posted
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  • Berkeley, CA
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Quote from @Thomas Balielan:
Quote from @Jon Q.:
Quote from @James Hamling:
Quote from @Thomas Balielan:
Quote from @Nathan Gesner:
Quote from @Thomas Balielan:

Personally, I would cut all communication with this individual. There's very little chance they'll file a complaint and very little chance they would win even if they did.

He is required to disclose the animal. He has to make a request for a "reasonable accommodation" and then you have the right to verify his disability and that the animal was prescribed to help with that disability.

By the way, you need to figure out if Fair Housing even applies to you: https://www.equalhousing.org/f...

If you are exempt, you can put these types of complaints to bed immediately.


Thank you for replying. I think this applicant planned to set me up for this. He clearly knows what he is doing. Now I don't even think he really wants to rent my house. He just wants my money. But he did threaten me with a lawsuit to force me to sign the contract with him. I bet he has other agendas once they move into my house later. If filing a complaint to the FHA is free, I can't see a reason he won't do that. What makes you think they have very little chance wonld win this case? Cause some people here thinks I am F*ed. LOL


 You already lost, that's why you will loose, your documented in this, you approved then denied based solely on the service animal, DONE. 

Feel free to fight it, I only ask that you come back and let us know what all the fines totaled and how much time they gave you to pay. Serious question, I don't know anyone who's ever gotten themselves into such a pickle. But I have heard the reports of how many they fined and nailed on such. 


The applicant pulled a bait and switch. Unethical and I wouldn’t want nor trust such a tenant.  I would have found another way to deny his application.  I’m sure this guy used this technique before to get his dog into the property.   


Now I think, they are very suspicious. They contacted me on Zillow before they came to California. The woman is very eager to sign the lease contract with me before even seeing my house. They never come to the house. We never meet each other. The guy plays the bait and switch at the last moment. I have a bad feeling. If I let them into my house, they will give me bigger troubles later.

Do not let them in your house.

Post: Disabled rental applicant sues landlord for discrimination

Jon Q.Posted
  • Investor
  • Berkeley, CA
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Quote from @Thomas Balielan:
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Quote from @Lewyt McGrath:

From what I’ve gathered most tenants are all bark. I’d be surprised if he followed up with that. 

Yes, likely.  And often suing isn’t worth the time, but there are those city renter departments that will sue landlords for free to “protect” tenants.  

Does the tenant have to pay for the lawsuit? I thought this type of tenant can extort the landlord for free. I don't think the lawsuit cost him any money. I also think he had done this to several other landlords before.


 Possibly, but we don’t know this.

Post: Should I allow neighbor's daughter to rent my property?

Jon Q.Posted
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Quote from @Taylor Robertson:

Just closed on my first deal last week-- a duplex househack. I was planning on starting to advertise for the vacancy this week and have it available within a few weeks. I was moving in over the weekend and the next door neighbor and his daughter (mid twenties) came over to introduce themselves to me. They said that she wants to rent the unit and asked me not to list it. He's older, retired, and lived there 15+ years, so I believe so he'd like to have her close by. She is a single mother with two daughters no pets. The only problem I can think of is that it is a higher end rental for my local market and I'm not sure if she'd qualify making 3x income to be able to afford rent. However, my agent told me he thinks her dad would be willing to help her on the rent if she can't afford it all herself. I know this contradicts basic landlording 101, but due to the fact that he's literally next door and wants her to move there as well, should I make an exception due to the circumstances if this is the case? This obviously would be contingent on her meeting my other minimum standards, passing a background/credit check, and getting good references. Any thoughts? Thanks

Have a set of requirements.  Apply all requirements equality to all applicants that apply.


 That said, I would not want them as a tenant because if things do turn south,    got a disgruntled neighbor.

Post: Duplex with small cash flow advice

Jon Q.Posted
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Quote from @Hunter Reed:

Thomas, if you have 10k-20k in cash reserves then $150 cashflow is fine. If you have little to no cash reserves then the investment becomes significantly more risky. As you hold the property the property will appreciate overtime. If you can add value through a rehab this will increase cash flow. Over the years rents have typically increased by 1%-5% each year. Again, if you have solid reserves then you should defiantly pursue this investment.

“The property will appreciate over time”. DO NOT ASSUME THAT, especially in Pennsylvania that have markets that are not fast growing pop or job growth.

😆 Do you understand market cycles and where we are now in the market cycle?  

Post: Duplex with small cash flow advice

Jon Q.Posted
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  • Berkeley, CA
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Quote from @Thomas Corso:
Quote from @John O'Leary:

How much are you having to put down? Location?

25k down . Total cost to close. Location is Pennsylvania.
No. Pennsylvania will have little to no appreciation/equity growth.  If your numbers are off, you’re working for free +  losing money.

Post: Duplex with small cash flow advice

Jon Q.Posted
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Quote from @Thomas Corso:

duplex for 400k price, profit will be $3250 a month, cost $3100 a month. Is $150 cash flow worth it in anyone’s opinion? 

What city? Likely No.

If your numbers turn out to be off, you’re losing money and working for free.

Post: Disabled rental applicant sues landlord for discrimination

Jon Q.Posted
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  • Berkeley, CA
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Quote from @Lewyt McGrath:

From what I’ve gathered most tenants are all bark. I’d be surprised if he followed up with that. 

Yes, likely.  And often suing isn’t worth the time, but there are those city renter departments that will sue landlords for free to “protect” tenants.  

Post: Disabled rental applicant sues landlord for discrimination

Jon Q.Posted
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  • Berkeley, CA
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Quote from @James Hamling:
Quote from @Thomas Balielan:
Quote from @Nathan Gesner:
Quote from @Thomas Balielan:

Personally, I would cut all communication with this individual. There's very little chance they'll file a complaint and very little chance they would win even if they did.

He is required to disclose the animal. He has to make a request for a "reasonable accommodation" and then you have the right to verify his disability and that the animal was prescribed to help with that disability.

By the way, you need to figure out if Fair Housing even applies to you: https://www.equalhousing.org/f...

If you are exempt, you can put these types of complaints to bed immediately.


Thank you for replying. I think this applicant planned to set me up for this. He clearly knows what he is doing. Now I don't even think he really wants to rent my house. He just wants my money. But he did threaten me with a lawsuit to force me to sign the contract with him. I bet he has other agendas once they move into my house later. If filing a complaint to the FHA is free, I can't see a reason he won't do that. What makes you think they have very little chance wonld win this case? Cause some people here thinks I am F*ed. LOL


 You already lost, that's why you will loose, your documented in this, you approved then denied based solely on the service animal, DONE. 

Feel free to fight it, I only ask that you come back and let us know what all the fines totaled and how much time they gave you to pay. Serious question, I don't know anyone who's ever gotten themselves into such a pickle. But I have heard the reports of how many they fined and nailed on such. 


The applicant pulled a bait and switch. Unethical and I wouldn’t want nor trust such a tenant.  I would have found another way to deny his application.  I’m sure this guy used this technique before to get his dog into the property.   

Post: Disabled rental applicant sues landlord for discrimination

Jon Q.Posted
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  • Berkeley, CA
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Quote from @James Hamling:
Quote from @Greg M.:
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NOOOOO!!!! Do not ever admit guilt outside of a binding agreement that concludes the situation. If he admits guilt and the guy sues or files a complaint, he has killed his defense options. 

Safest thing to do is stop communicating with the other person. If he must talk to them, "Sorry there was some confusion on your part about a service animal needed to be approved by me and written into the lease. For future reference, this is legally unnecessary. Should I have another vacancy, I'm happy to keep your application on file". Done!

If this post is an accurate record of what he did, he has no defense, none. he approved then yanked that for the service animal..... and leased to someone else.... he's got no defense. And from what I can tell he actually said it was due to the service animal so, yeah, it's done, he's F'd, all he has is the guy not taking actions. 

By law there is no need or requirement to write a Service Animal into lease, so I get where your coming from I just don't think a campaign of lies is going to help him, if anything it shows acknowledgment of violation AND disregard for that violation. If he apologizes it at least shows good intent, and right now all he has is that, to show he ignorantly made a mistake. 
Lies only compound problems. 


 I don’t agree.

End all communication with the person. Never admit guilt and it doesn’t matter anyway.  What he says can be used against him.  It’s very likely they’ll be no lawsuit.

Post: Disabled rental applicant sues landlord for discrimination

Jon Q.Posted
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  • Berkeley, CA
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Quote from @Thomas Balielan:

Hi, fellow rental owners,

Recently got a disabled rental applicant who applied for my house on Zillow. I specifically mentioned on my listing no pets. They also wrote no pets on their application. They are a marine veteran couple who moved from the east coast to California. They were very eager to rent my house. Even though we never meet each other. They only send a relative to my open house to a video showing my house. They have 600+ credit scores and a decent income. They claimed that they can work remotely and live close to their family. So their company on file is in Maryland. Once I send them the lease contract to sign, the guy finally told me he actually has a service dog because he is disabled at the last moment before he sign the lease, and asked if I can change my contract since I wrote no pets on my contract. 

I have a bad feeling. It is very obvious that they used a trick to set me up. Because both my listing and their application indicate no pets. I declined their application and canceled the lease signing. He got mad right away. He said I discriminate against a disabled veteran. His service dog is not a pet and he doesn't have to mention that. Now he is threatening me with a fair housing lawsuit.

Does anyone have a similar experience? The fair housing department can't just take his word for this. They need to have evidence to prove that. I didn't even ask about his disability and gave him the lease to sign after he shows me his disability income from the military. I just don't like that he hid the dog's information till the last moment. He planned this and clearly knows what he is doing.

Now I rented my rental to another family with no animals and a better credit score.

What should I prepare if the fair housing department reaches out to me later?

Thank you all.

Do you have a signed application from him?  

If it is a “support dog”, you can’t ask about that. Even if it’s a surprise later, you CANNOT turn him down if he has an emotional support dog.

problem for you is that you approved him.

With people like this who lie, I usually find another reason to decline him (ex credit, income, tenant reference, criminal history, etc).  This is why I have a long list of requirements.  And sometimes if an applicant is close I’ll waive one (ex not quite 600 credit score, but very close).

You cannot by law turn down an application due to an emotional support pet,disability, family structure, age, gender, race or any other protected class.

Likely he’s just threatening you.  It’ll likely cost him money + time to sue you.  But in the future, follow the procedures precisely and treat all applicants the same.   If you do, you’ll likely be fine.