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All Forum Posts by: Marty Sprong

Marty Sprong has started 3 posts and replied 40 times.

Post: Owner Financing (Expert Advise Needed)

Marty SprongPosted
  • Investor
  • Seal Beach, CA
  • Posts 41
  • Votes 29
Quote from @Don Konipol:

Take everything said by @Chris Seveney seriously.  Dodd Frank and the CFPB have thrown a monkey wrench into many previously profitable “strategies”.  This is the main reason I only deal with commercial properties.

With that warning, I am going to list the reasons that seller financing can be a benefit to the seller of a property. This is not restricted to residential properties, it also applies to commercial properties.  I still seller finance some commercial properties when I sell, and have “held the note” for a few BP members, all ending in mutually beneficial results.

1. You may be able to obtain a sale price as much as 20% over market.  This is because you have increased the pool of buyers to include those not able to qualify for a mortgage sizable enough to purchase the property. Further, you’ve increased the buyer pool to include those with a good size down payment, but credit issue, income issues, job time issues, and any other issues rendering them unable to qualify.  While they may bring increased credit risk, the higher price or higher down payment may be an offset.

2. Owner financing may make unsalable property salable.  Property may not qualify for financing because of condition, area, zoning, etc.  providing owner financing eliminates this obstacle. 

3. You may be able to charge an interest rate greater than what you would earn by investing the money elsewhere.

4. You own a note on a property you are familiar with, instead of investing in a note secured by a property you’ve never even seen

5. You may be able to avoid the impact of paying an immediate tax on “depreciation recapture”.  

6. The buyer may not have immediate  funds, but may be having cash come in in a few months time.  Rather than lose a sale you accept a down payment, and receive a short term note for the difference.  When the buyer “liquidity event” occurs, you get paid off. 

Again, as @Chris Seveney has stated, you will need to engage the services of an attorney specializing  in real estate.  This is not a “download form from internet and fill it out your self” project, like you would do for something simple, like a divorce. 

 Just a heads-up on Depreciation Recapture that many people don't realize - Per IRS Pub 537 on Installment Sales under the section Depreciation Recapture Income, "If you sell property for which you claimed or could have claimed a depreciation deduction, you must report any depreciation recapture income in the year of sale, whether or not an installment payment was received that year."

Best,

Marty

Post: Portfolio of 7 brrrr’s

Marty SprongPosted
  • Investor
  • Seal Beach, CA
  • Posts 41
  • Votes 29

I'm sure you'll find a private/hard money lender that would use your current properties as collateral assuming there is enough equity being in 2nd position, as well as the properties you want to acquire. It's all about the numbers. Do you know of any RE allies that you could JV with or entice a private lender by doing a participation loan, where they charge you a reduced interest rate, but get a piece of the profit?

What do the numbers look like? 


Marty

Post: Working with Sense Financial?

Marty SprongPosted
  • Investor
  • Seal Beach, CA
  • Posts 41
  • Votes 29

I've heard of Sense Financial, but the people that are in my network use DirectedIRA (that's who I use for my SDIRAs and SoloK - very happy), Advanta, Equity Trust, or Quest. 

Post: ISO: Propstream power user?

Marty SprongPosted
  • Investor
  • Seal Beach, CA
  • Posts 41
  • Votes 29

Call me.

Post: Helping Seniors selling rental property

Marty SprongPosted
  • Investor
  • Seal Beach, CA
  • Posts 41
  • Votes 29

A 1031 is one way to do that, but if he's an older person, there are other options/strategies that are available if it turns out he really would rather get out of being a landlord, but likes passive income each month. Let's do a zoom and talk about them. I'll DM you or reach out to me. I don't think it allows me to give you my contact.

Post: Family Home Potential Deal

Marty SprongPosted
  • Investor
  • Seal Beach, CA
  • Posts 41
  • Votes 29

Is he still in the home? Do you want to start working on it now?

Post: Buying out family members on grandparents' house for F&F

Marty SprongPosted
  • Investor
  • Seal Beach, CA
  • Posts 41
  • Votes 29

LOL - I just noticed this post was from 6 years ago! :) Oops. How did everything turnout? 

Post: Buying out family members on grandparents' house for F&F

Marty SprongPosted
  • Investor
  • Seal Beach, CA
  • Posts 41
  • Votes 29

You have some good advice here. I agree with getting everything legally documented and getting your aunt's to agree to getting paid AFTER the house is sold. You could foot the bill on the rehab (charge a 10% "lending/handling" fee) and split the profits after getting your rehab funds/costs back.

Post: Family Home Potential Deal

Marty SprongPosted
  • Investor
  • Seal Beach, CA
  • Posts 41
  • Votes 29

First of all, is your grandfather still alive? You want to think about the tax consequences of him selling the home prior to passing away. If he is alive, he should want to wait until he passes away to get the step up in basis for tax purposes unless that dollar amount is not material. Personally, I would want to get control of the house so you can work on it now. You get control by renting it with an option to buy it in the future. Future being at least until grandfather passes way (again assuming you want to save the estate on taxes). Once the beneficiary inherits the house, with new step up in basis, you can apply the option payment (if there was one) to the purchase price and maybe even the rent payments or fraction thereof to the down payment of the home. Let's say the benificiary needs a little more money as down payment, get that to them and have them seller carry the loan. Hopefully the beneficiary would rather you pay them interest vs paying the bank. You can offer the same rate or even more if it saves you loan costs and hassles. Beneficiary will enjoy the passive income. If you can't get the HELOC for whatever reason, you can find private money for the rehab.

Hi James, 

There are quite a few ways to find note buyers, but the easiest way is to list them on Paperstac.com, for example. As mentioned above, you should expect to sell them at a discount, so the investor can get the return they are looking to get. I would expect to see investors like myself to get at LEAST a 10% IRR. Keep in mind you may not want to sell the whole note. You may be interested in selling a partial, which would be, for example, the next 3 years of payments. After the 3 years are up, you start getting paid again from the borrower. Keep in mind, when you sell your note (full or partial), it's a taxable event. You could hypothecate the note (using your note as collateral) to borrow against it, which will get you cash without having the tax consequences. I too am interested in the notes you have for sale. Feel free to message me and we can talk more about or I can enlighten you about note investing.