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All Forum Posts by: Matt Ward

Matt Ward has started 5 posts and replied 213 times.

Post: Adjusted Basis of Rental Property?

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@Brian Bellanca Id say so LOL! There are some great ones here on BP and you don’t really need a “local” one these days. Here are some to talk to:

@Michael Plaks @Natalie Kolodij @Brandon Hall

There are of course others, best of luck!

Post: 2018 Tax Horror Stories

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@Jay Hinrichs so true

Post: Passive Investors - What is your minimum ROI?

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Originally posted by @Brian Burke:
Originally posted by @Matt Ward:

Thanks for your comments as usual. What areas of the underwriting would you likely assume the errors occur in order to produce such a high IRR? I realize this is a broad and very open ended question, but just a "best guess" given your years of experience? I think it would help a lot of folks who are trying to learn to underwrite MF - perhaps they pay extra attention to a few key areas if their IRR jumps too much.

I've often found the rehab budget to be a key area, as well as overestimating the market at exit (too high sales price), & calculating your loan costs & cash out refi projections.

Yes, I'll second everything Chase said, and add a few of my own observations:

● Improper economic vacancy assumptions

● Aggressive year 1 gross receipts projections (they immediately jump the income to new rents with no phase-in which is simply impossible)

● Underestimated expense assumptions

● Improper use of cap rates and/or incorrect exit cap rate assumptions

● Failure to properly account for property tax reassessment post-sale (in states that do this)

● Basing exit prices on capitalized value of the income without accounting for the subsequent owner’s property tax reassessment

● Failure to account for all of the costs incurred in putting together this type of deal and purchase real estate of this size

● Failure to account for raising enough money to pay the down payment, closing costs, finance costs, syndication costs, immediate capital improvements and still have enough money left over for capital reserves

Well said, and thank you. One more question if you don't mind. I recently watched the podcast between yourself and Ben Lebovich (which was excellent) and recall you closing on properties in the 200-500 unit range. Since the OP is discussing a smaller deal, would you say it is more is less likely that his high IRR is accurate due to deal size?

Post: Passive Investors - What is your minimum ROI?

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Originally posted by @Chase McArthur:

@Matt Ward

I know the question wasnt really directed at me, however I will offer up my 2 cents.

There are a multitude of factors that can skew the IRR of a project. Personally, in my experience, it is often times the overly optimistic projection of asset performance. We have a tendency to overestimate our ability to improve an assets performance based off a number of bias'. But mostly its our inability to completely emotionally detach from our investments. No one wants their investments to fail and all want to see optimal performance. This is why it is best to have a thrid, disinterested party calculating projections for your investments.

Another reason I have seen is underestimation of capital expenditures and rehab costs as well as maintenance costs. This could be due to optimism again or simply a failure to properly inspect the asset.

Assuming the market will continue to grow linearly. Failure to include mild corrections throughout the holding period, failure to properly calculate capital expenditures, not only the amount as stated above but WHEN they will be deployed.

Another big one that can affect IRR is the failure to account for turnovers efficiently. Not every tenant moves in in January and out in December. It is imperative that you review lease data and determine expirations as well as calculating the probability of renewals. Are the leases staggered or are they accumulated? Having 12 units turnover in a 3 month window without properly preparing can have a major residual effect on your bottom line. Overall there are any number of factors that can affect IRR, as you do your analysis you can watch it change as you adjust relative inputs.

Analysis is a dynamic projection and when properly done requires time and more than a BP calculator (no offense BP). Your analysis is the entire framework for the investment, like a mission statement for the asset. It has to be constantly performed and readjusted. Depending on the size of the asset that I am invested, I rerun the analysis in its entirety biannually or annually.

Never one and done your analysis its much more than a decision making tool for your investment, its a vital asset for properly managing and diagnosising your properties throughout the investment horizon.

I'm sure @Brian Burke will second that.

 Totally agree, especially on turnover.  Too many new "underwriters" miss this step.

Post: Passive Investors - What is your minimum ROI?

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Originally posted by @Brian Burke:

The only deals that project returns higher than 20% IRR are the ones where the person doing the underwriting made a mistake or forgot something. Achieving over 20% IRR is very rare unless you hit a market cycle just right and I think it's tough to assume that buying today is going to be hitting a cycle just right.

So assuming that the deal as a whole throws off anything less than a 20% IRR, if you have a 20% preferred return you as the sponsor will make exactly $0.

My concern as an investor in such a deal is that first you probably didn't underwrite correctly, and second that you structured the waterfall such that I receive all of the profits and once you figure that out you'll abandon the project and I'll have to take over and finish it.

To avoid that perception, and potentially that reality, you should consider structuring your offering with terms closer to market and triple-check your underwriting to ensure that you are underwriting conservatively, with full awareness that conditions today are about as good as they'll ever get and when things get worse you can not only survive, but produce a result somewhere in the same universe as you projected.

 @Brian Burke

Thanks for your comments as usual. What areas of the underwriting would you likely assume the errors occur in order to produce such a high IRR? I realize this is a broad and very open ended question, but just a "best guess" given your years of experience? I think it would help a lot of folks who are trying to learn to underwrite MF - perhaps they pay extra attention to a few key areas if their IRR jumps too much.

I've often found the rehab budget to be a key area, as well as overestimating the market at exit (too high sales price), & calculating your loan costs & cash out refi projections.

Post: Interesting Partnership scenario/creative financing

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Originally posted by @Tanner Marsey:

Good afternoon. I had a question about partnerships/creative financing (sort of, maybe...?)

I am looking to expand my portfolio here in the next few years. I Have a W-2 job that I absolutely love and have no desire to leave for about 20 more years, which will put me at age 51. I make a comfortable living and easily support myself and young family and am able to save some money to invest on a regular basis. Which leads me to my question....

I don’t care about seeing a return on my investments until I retire. I will take a pension upon retiring but it will be significantly less than what I currently bring home. I am looking to supplement my early retirement with real estate. I am trying to come up with a scenario/structure that would be beneficial for me in the long run, as far as not taking profits in the immediate future, and beneficial for a partner in the short(er) term.

Will it get too messy as far as exit strategies? Ex. They want to sell I want to hold. They want to leverage, I don’t....

Hopefully I phrased this question in an understandable manner. Any examples, suggestions, help or criticisms are welcomed with open arms. Thanks in advance!

 Why look for a partnership when you could invest capital into one of many reputable syndicators?  You could choose conservative investments (low cash flow, high appreciation) that are extremely likely to 1031x.  Over 20 years you'd likely roll your money up into 3+ exchanges, deferring all tax and making that money work for you.  When you retire, that initial capital investment is worth significantly more and produces scaled cash flow while still being in a conservative asset class and/or market.  You then have more equity to 1031 out into an even higher cash flowing (higher risk) asset class if you choose or need more income.

This assumes you are OK being hands off, which many people are not. Some people would rather own a SFH that produces a lower return because they feel like more of an "owner" vs investor. To each their own.

Post: Oakland California lending advice for 5 unit multifamily

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@Michael Kay Oakland has rent control... this is a good deal?

Post: 117-Unit Value-add in Phoenix Closed Today

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@Paul Choi @Sherwin Gonzales

Post: Series LLC and Taxes

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@Michael Plaks "extorted by your lovely state" LOL so true.

Post: Purchasing a rental property in a town with a decreasing census?

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Originally posted by @Greg H.:
Originally posted by @Lee Bell:

@Matt Ward

Leave it to the accountant to point out the turd in the punch bowl, LOL.

I see many newbies on BP investing in rust belt states without any concept of inflation adjusted returns. All they care about is cash on cash.

That’s not a prudent nor pragmatic way of investing.

 Please elaborate as to why ?  

in short, if you buy a property in ohio for $40k and it doesn't appreciate at all, and in 10 years you sell it for $40k, you made zero money on the appreciation (easy math). let's say you made 10% CoC each year so you made $40k cash over 10 years. that's great. but when you pull out your $40k equity at the sale, that $40k is worth less 10 years down the road vs. how much it's worth the day you invested it. so that delta eats away at that cumulative 10% coc. others might be able to explain it better bc i'm used to seeing it through spreadsheets, bc as @lee bell said, i'm an accountant.