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All Forum Posts by: Account Closed

Account Closed has started 9 posts and replied 390 times.

Post: Would you rent a house to 2 new university grads?

Account ClosedPosted
  • Riverside, CA
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Originally posted by @Mary M.:

@Account Closed you asked a question about college grads. Obviously you are inexperienced in this area. I have experience renting to college kids.    And I gave you my experience and how I handle college kids. Take it or leave it .... 

Also fwiw source of income is a protected class. Ie you cant discriminate based on if she is a massage therapist or a physicist...
and thanks for the back handed compliment :)

It was meant as a compliment, you appear to be a kind and decent person. Misguided perhaps, but kind. I spend a lot of time with my college grad kids (one is a nuclear physicist, but no massage therapists in the family) and time with their college grad friends. I know more about college grads than you give me credit for ;-) (and this is the Good group of college grads) They tell me stories of their peers. Lol. Fortunately, almost all of us grow up at some point.

Post: Would you rent a house to 2 new university grads?

Account ClosedPosted
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Originally posted by @Mary M.:
Originally posted by @Account Closed:
Originally posted by @Mary M.:
Originally posted by @Account Closed:

I dont know..... i know lots of massage therapists that have their own businesses, etc and not sure a physicist has the same ability to get a job no matter where they go ? Also a massage therapist has many many many opportunities to make money, where as a physicist has a smaller channel of opportunities     

 Your Comment: "Also a massage therapist has many many many opportunities to make money"

That's what I'd be afraid of

you do know there is a real profession called massage therapist?  You are sounding very agist and sexist.....

Eta: they have lots of work opportunities because that kind of work is needed everywhere - so it would be easy to get a job - kind of like a hair dresser, accountant, etc


Of course I know what a massage therapist is. :-)  I also know human nature. You sound young and naive, which isn't a bad thing I can assure you, until you get the wrong tenants.

Post: Anybody there investing in San Diego? Should I go somewhere else?

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Originally posted by @Eric Martel:

@Account Closed Can you provide more details on your acquisition strategy? It sounds like you are getting these properties in pre-foreclosure or non-performing notes.

Sometimes in pre-foreclosure but mostly just "off market" "don't wanters". Nothing fancy.

Post: Anybody there investing in San Diego? Should I go somewhere else?

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Originally posted by @Dan H.:
Originally posted by @Account Closed:
Originally posted by @Dan H.:
Originally posted by @Eric Martel:

@Dan H. Let's help our friend @Rodrigo Serzedello who is looking to invest $200k today to get monthly cashflow today. I look for markets who are landlord friendly, with moderate growth so that the prices are not over inflated, with business diversification. Then look at data online to identify markets where the median price is near the 1% median monthly rent (the 1% rule). Finally you may to acquire multiple units with that $200k to minimize risks so that if one tenant leaves you still have some cash coming. For example, that $200k could put a down payment on 10 turnkey rentals sold in the $90k price range with a $900 rent and $250 net cash flow each property. Another option could be to buy 4 turnkey rentals in the $250k price range renting $2,000 cash flowing $500 per property. There are a number of markets where this works. I have a database of 400 markets with these metrics all compiled. If you are interested send me some specific markets you are interested in I would be happy to share with you.

Would you post the pro forma for one $90k RE that depicts $250/month cash flow?

 Let’s go with you have realistic pro forma that performs as advertised (but if you do, they would be the first zero appreciation market realistic pro forma I have seen that depicts this amount of cash flow).

Now let’s play this out.  At the $90k price they have historically appreciated less than inflation.  So 10 years from now the 10 RE is likely to be worth less than $900k in inflation adjusted dollars.  What about the rent?   At $250 * 10 = $2500/month, which again historically is producing less cash flow in inflation adjusted dollars, but let’s use the $2500/month cash flow is $30k year.  

Now run the scenario using San Diego, LA, OC which in the last 10 years have experienced the following RE appreciation: 62%, 66%, 49%. Same $200k invested in coastal so cal on $900k property (Using same 80% LTV) if with similar inflation would produce $558k, $594k, and $441k respectively from the property appreciation alone.

How do you think the properties would compare in cash flow?   San Diego rent has appreciated 58% in the last 10 years.  Current San Diego ave 3 BR rent is $2923 which means the monthly increase over the next 10 years (assuming similar appreciation rate) is $1695/month.   $900k would purchase ~1.5 average priced homes.  The cash flow by year 10 from the San Diego 1.5 RE is likely to be greater than the $30k for the 10 units you referenced.  

A higher appreciation market will always eventually have better cash flow than a lower appreciating market.  It is in the math.  

All of our rentals currently meet the 1% rule (monthly rent is greater than 1% of purchase price). We have some LTR that are near 2% and an STR duplex that is over 4%. So we have great cash flow from our San Diego rentals.

I realize this projection is using past appreciation and not necessarily what will be achieved.  However it depicts that Appreciation and leverage can be great wealth builders.

 My opinion, backed by cash flow $$$ :-) is AZ beats CA anytime of the day, but I didn't have to look for them myself since they were Turnkey so I can't speak to the cost of finding, but I can attest to numbers. $600 to $700 a month on $60k invested. It might match the midwest of even beat it.

>My opinion, backed by cash flow $$$ :-) is AZ beats CA anytime of the day

Case Shiller, that looks at the numbers not just their opinion, indicates otherwise for coastal Cal.  Case Shiller indicate top 3 returns for buy n hold for this century are all coastal Cal cities (San Fran, LA, San Diego). 

>$600 to $700 a month on $60k invested. It might match the midwest of even beat it.

At what LTV? Would you be so kind to post a pro forma that depicts this?

Generally my Turnkeys cost me $60k on a $225,000 property in AZ (taking over the payment) and generally I'm getting $600 a month after expenses.

You can't eat future (projected) equity. You can though eat cash flow and still get appreciation . 

However, I don't do pro formas (that can be manipulated). I do actuals. I can email it if you want to see the actuals.

Post: Would you rent a house to 2 new university grads?

Account ClosedPosted
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Originally posted by @Mary M.:
Originally posted by @Account Closed:

I dont know..... i know lots of massage therapists that have their own businesses, etc and not sure a physicist has the same ability to get a job no matter where they go ? Also a massage therapist has many many many opportunities to make money, where as a physicist has a smaller channel of opportunities     

 Your Comment: "Also a massage therapist has many many many opportunities to make money"

That's what I'd be afraid of

Post: OBJECTION: I need to review it with my attorney

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Originally posted by @Account Closed:

What do you do when a seller doesnt want to sign your agreement and he wants to review it with an attorney?

How can I handle that objection?
THANKS

I tell them that I can appreciate that and I offer my attorney's name and phone number in case they don't have one. It shows that I work with an attorney (which builds confidence) and if they say they already have an attorney then I know who I have to convince. If they say no, they will get their own attorney, then I know they are putting me off or not sure about the whole deal.

Post: Regrets or Mistakes Made After Closing?

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Originally posted by @Peter Deutelmoser:

Will be closing on my first property this Friday. Would love to hear any regrets, mistakes, tips, or things you wish you knew after closing to help make me a little less nervous. Thanks!

 Closing means everything is signed but it doesn't mean that it is funded and recorded. You have to wait until the check is cashable if you are the seller, or that your loan funded if you are the buyer. It is likely that escrow will verify employment of the borrower and check some other information before they release funds.

Post: buy & hold Tempe, AZ

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Originally posted by @Aaron Tena:

Investment Info:

Single-family residence buy & hold investment.

Purchase price: $175,000
Cash invested: $6,000

Buy & hold property in Tempe. 3/2

What made you interested in investing in this type of deal?

Cash flow. Over 20% ROI

How did you find this deal and how did you negotiate it?

MLS

How did you finance this deal?

Conventional

How did you add value to the deal?

New flooring, lighting, kitchen and bathrooms.

 Outstanding! Buying a place in Tempe for $6,000. How'd you do that?

Post: Anybody there investing in San Diego? Should I go somewhere else?

Account ClosedPosted
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Originally posted by @Dan H.:
Originally posted by @Eric Martel:

@Dan H. Let's help our friend @Rodrigo Serzedello who is looking to invest $200k today to get monthly cashflow today. I look for markets who are landlord friendly, with moderate growth so that the prices are not over inflated, with business diversification. Then look at data online to identify markets where the median price is near the 1% median monthly rent (the 1% rule). Finally you may to acquire multiple units with that $200k to minimize risks so that if one tenant leaves you still have some cash coming. For example, that $200k could put a down payment on 10 turnkey rentals sold in the $90k price range with a $900 rent and $250 net cash flow each property. Another option could be to buy 4 turnkey rentals in the $250k price range renting $2,000 cash flowing $500 per property. There are a number of markets where this works. I have a database of 400 markets with these metrics all compiled. If you are interested send me some specific markets you are interested in I would be happy to share with you.

Would you post the pro forma for one $90k RE that depicts $250/month cash flow?

 Let’s go with you have realistic pro forma that performs as advertised (but if you do, they would be the first zero appreciation market realistic pro forma I have seen that depicts this amount of cash flow).

Now let’s play this out.  At the $90k price they have historically appreciated less than inflation.  So 10 years from now the 10 RE is likely to be worth less than $900k in inflation adjusted dollars.  What about the rent?   At $250 * 10 = $2500/month, which again historically is producing less cash flow in inflation adjusted dollars, but let’s use the $2500/month cash flow is $30k year.  

Now run the scenario using San Diego, LA, OC which in the last 10 years have experienced the following RE appreciation: 62%, 66%, 49%. Same $200k invested in coastal so cal on $900k property (Using same 80% LTV) if with similar inflation would produce $558k, $594k, and $441k respectively from the property appreciation alone.

How do you think the properties would compare in cash flow?   San Diego rent has appreciated 58% in the last 10 years.  Current San Diego ave 3 BR rent is $2923 which means the monthly increase over the next 10 years (assuming similar appreciation rate) is $1695/month.   $900k would purchase ~1.5 average priced homes.  The cash flow by year 10 from the San Diego 1.5 RE is likely to be greater than the $30k for the 10 units you referenced.  

A higher appreciation market will always eventually have better cash flow than a lower appreciating market.  It is in the math.  

All of our rentals currently meet the 1% rule (monthly rent is greater than 1% of purchase price). We have some LTR that are near 2% and an STR duplex that is over 4%. So we have great cash flow from our San Diego rentals.

I realize this projection is using past appreciation and not necessarily what will be achieved.  However it depicts that Appreciation and leverage can be great wealth builders.

 My opinion, backed by cash flow $$$ :-) is AZ beats CA anytime of the day, but I didn't have to look for them myself since they were Turnkey so I can't speak to the cost of finding, but I can attest to numbers. $600 to $700 a month on $60k invested. It might match the midwest of even beat it.

Post: What's so special about a 600 Credit Rating

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Originally posted by @Pete Woelfel:

I'm a super small fish renting out a 3 BR 1 BA 1000 sq/ft property in a nice but modest area in Milwaukee. I have been involved in REI for just a couple years and have not experienced many vacancies. I have had 100+ inquiries online and several completed applications. The requirements I have posted online are no vacancies for 7 years, > 600 credit rating, clean background check, and 3x rent gross income. I decided on these qualifications somewhat arbitrarily based on the advice of other investors/BP. I have had a number of candidates that have met every criteria with the exception of the credit rating, with some as high as 595. All of these credit reports and background checks have been done through zillow.

1) Why is the common expectation a 600 credit score?  Why is that the arbitrary line in the sand?

2) Am I at any risk for litigation if I accept a tenant with a credit rating under 600 now?  I've met several of these people personally, have income verification, and feel extremely comfortable allowing them to rent, but do my facebook and zillow ads put me at risk to allow them?

3) If I need to talk to an attorney, what type of attorney should I be looking for?

It's because a 600 credit score has a considerably higher default rate than a 750 score. That being said, if the prospective tenant has a 600 they might qualify for an FHA loan to purchase if they have the income, down payment, work history, proper Debt to Income Ratio, tax returns, etc. It simply defines who your likely candidates for renters are but it isn't the only group you should rent to. For instance, I buy Turnkey in AZ because it's too expensive in CA. Then I lease option sell to business people who have a down payment and I don't care if their credit score is 450. Since I get 10% down, they aren't going to default. It's a matter of protecting your deal. Less down, the higher the credit score needed. More down, credit score doesn't really matter.