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All Forum Posts by: Denise Brown-Puryear

Denise Brown-Puryear has started 4 posts and replied 72 times.

Post: 57 Unit Property Purchased with no Money (of my own)

Denise Brown-Puryear
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  • Julian, NC
  • Posts 76
  • Votes 100

Great DealMaking!

Post: When is enough enough? How many homes does one need!?

Denise Brown-Puryear
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  • Julian, NC
  • Posts 76
  • Votes 100
Originally posted by @Linda S.:

@David S.,

I'm no where near 500, let alone 1500.. lol my rentals are still in the double digits, not triple.    Just food for thought,  have you ever thought that for some people, it's not so much about the money, and more about doing good?    Me and my partner get asked, when will you stop?  do you have a goal?  My answer... "why would we stop?" 

At first, it was about the money, but then you hit that goal,  and then the next, and then it becomes bigger than money.   In us buying houses, we're improving an area, improving the neighborhood, making each house better-- one at a time.  We're doing great things, yes-- we're making good money, but on the flip side.. we're doing really wonderful things that help not only our bottom line, but the morale and livelihood of an area.      Don't even get me started about paying our contractors/employees--- wonderful  people who I'm happy to pay!    Good money going to good people! 

Everyone thinks of the landlords as these rich a$$holes, but have you ever thought-- they care, and are using their resources to better not only themselves, but their chosen  investment area/community?

Post: Why would I want to buy rat holes?

Denise Brown-Puryear
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  • Julian, NC
  • Posts 76
  • Votes 100
Originally posted by @Aqil Dharamsey:

Not sure what constitutes a slum lord? Just because you are buying a rat hole in. Ray hole neighborhood doesn’t make you slum lord. Majority of my properties are in lower income neighborhoods. I keep up with the properties and do the repairs quickly keeping my clients happy and forever. I have been doing this for a long time and have decent monthly passive income. I don’t even advertise my vacants because I get so many referrals from my current clients ( tenants).

Now to answer the original question - I live rehabs because there is value add and in real estate you make your money when you buy not when you sell. Have a strong team of contractors, realtors and PM will help you achieve this. Start with something small like a SFH or even a condo and try it out. You will be amazed what a little bit of paint and refinishing the floors does to a place. Good luck !

 I totally agree with you @Aqil Dharamsey.  

I've been doing this a long time as well, and have no trouble obtaining good working class tenants (who live in lower income neighborhoods as well!). We renovate with our own team (nephew contractor, plumbers and electricians and myself as construction manager from time to time - which I love to do). People contact us even when we don't have anything available. Our reno's are top notch for the areas we serve and still come in under ARV. In over 30 years, I've only had to go through 3 evictions! We work with people, because as we ALL know, life does happen.

We have been blessed even through the ups and downs over the decades.  I am a fan of the buy, renovate and hold.  This is long-term investing for us with a focus on stewardship, good business practices and with a dose of the human element. It works for me throughout the years.  The beauty of real estate investing, is that there is something for everyone according to their personality and their belief system.  A home or place to live is one of the most important things in a person's life and not everyone can purchase nor may want to own a home.  Everyone needs a place to live and I approach this as a service business from which I receive income and appreciation over time.

Keep doing what you're doing.  

Post: Why would I want to buy rat holes?

Denise Brown-Puryear
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  • Julian, NC
  • Posts 76
  • Votes 100

Linda D.

Linda I'm with you on that!  I had posted already, but essentially we also have the same business model.  When buying at the lowest point, and taking a hands on approach to our rehabs, we still come in way below any "turnkey" in the same area.  Our tenant selection is lengthy and we deal with "working" people only.  We have 2 properties right now that we brought at the lowest point, rehabbed, rented with the highest rent in the area.  Within 6 months we noticed sales in the area for a "turnkey" property was at least 40% more than our renovated "el cheapo" as well as constantly receiving requests asking if we wish to sell.  

I just "love" this service business!  After all, when the economy dips again (which it surely will), these homes tend to stay rented with much lower turnover.  

Post: Why would I want to buy rat holes?

Denise Brown-Puryear
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  • Julian, NC
  • Posts 76
  • Votes 100
Hi Alec,

It totally depends on the person and what works for them.  That is the beauty of investing in real estate!  We buy "cheap" properties, rehab and rent in Central North Carolina in a fast growing area.  It works for us and I personally like the hands on aspect (control issues I guess... LOL).  I did buy "turnkey" after a 1031 exchange of a group of newly built townhomes which are doing fine, but I do like trying different things in real estate investing.  I am now finishing up one property that is ideally located as a furnished rental catering to the travel nurse profession. 

There is no "right" or "wrong" way....  Any type of investing is a risk to some degree or another... Go with what you feel is comfortable for YOU and always continue to learn and grow from places like BiggerPockets.    All the best to you and your investing adventures!

Post: How many units do you own?

Denise Brown-Puryear
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  • Julian, NC
  • Posts 76
  • Votes 100
Originally posted by @Jay Hinrichs:  I so agree with you.  As one coming from Brooklyn, NY in real estate since the 1980's to NC, the sale on one of our properties (a multi-family) allowed us to purchase new townhomes, SFH'S and land via 1031 exchange with "no debt".  Some may argue that it's good to have some debt on the property; however, we have very good lines of credit that is readily available to us, should we need it.  The cost of living here is 40% or more less than in NY, and at this stage of life, my husband and I are living life (taking time to smell the roses).  I've gone through 2 real estate downturns (maybe 3?) since the early 1980's.  Hence, I am now more conservative in real estate investing.  '

May purchase a vacation property in the islands or in Florida (since plan travel is not our cup of tea at this time).  Everyone will have a different "life' strategy based on age, stage of life, and ultimate goals.  And I truly wish the best for each and every single person who has taken the plunge or is a "seasoned" investor!  And remember, Have FUN!

Originally posted by @Marcus Johnson:

@michael le
It’s not hard. If one individual makes more but does less with his income then he is a underachiever of wealth. Just read read the millionaire next door. I know plenty of earners that don’t make 100k or more that are millionaires. It’s that easy.

 have never read the book.. but I can't see how yearly income relates to one's success.. one who makes more money may do a lot of cool ventures that have nothing to do with real estate that are really rewarding to them.. like charity,, travel.. camping extended time off all sorts of things ( we commonly call smelling the roses).. that can't be measured.

and then of course you have that definite little nugget really depends on where you live and what your basic housing cost are going to be.. someone living in NYC  maybe can barely squeeze by on 500k a year whereas in fly over country or some Mid West MSA were median home prices are 140k and gas is under 2 bucks and food is 20 to 30% cheaper at restaurants etc etc you live like a king on 10k a month.  We do have to factor all that into the equation.

I see it all the time on BP when some folks get on here and say if I can just get 5k a month I can retire and quit my job.. others say 25k a month.. :)

you certainly have misers that spend no money but have no real life experience's and really don't care too.. and you have others that make big money but have lots of great life experiences or to them they are great..

For me personally and I know I am in the vast minority in this.. but to me free in clear assets are a true measure of success not leveraged to your eye balls.  too much risk in max leverage.. free and clear you cant lose those assets and they look great ne your balance sheet.. and allow U or at least me to get some pretty large credit facilities for projects that make Far more than any rental ever would..  Because my bank looks at long term contingent liability .. that is not an asset its a debt..

Post: How many units do you own?

Denise Brown-Puryear
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  • Julian, NC
  • Posts 76
  • Votes 100

Hi Jason! We currently have 14 units which includes 1 (2) unit duplex, 1 SFH that is a furnished corporate (medical industry) rental and 1 brownstone property in Brooklyn that will provide (2) fully furnished rooms for corporate stays as well. Been in the biz for a while. Just having fun with it at this point while making a few bucks. :c)

Post: Aspiring RE Investor in Greensboro , NC

Denise Brown-Puryear
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  • Julian, NC
  • Posts 76
  • Votes 100

Welcome to BP Thomas!  This is a great place to learn and network.  But as a few others have mentioned in the above posts, I highly recommend that you join your local Real Estate Investment Association.  You can google and find that information for Greensboro.  I've been a member for a few years now and have been part of BP as well.  I'm a transplant originally from Brooklyn, NY where I started out in real estate many, many moons ago!  We basically buy, renovate and rent.  Now venturing into a niche market which is very exciting for us at this time as the real estate and business climate is "right".  Feel free to reach out to me in the future.  All the best for the New Year!

Post: Low Income Rentals. Do you like them?

Denise Brown-Puryear
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  • Julian, NC
  • Posts 76
  • Votes 100
Originally posted by @Llewelyn A.:

@Jordan Moorhead

@Denise Brown-Puryear

My experiences have been very similiar to Denise's experience.

We also would have experienced a large rent and value appreciation, depending on which neighborhood we owned our investments.

Several of my properties trippled in Value and one increased 7 TIMES the value that I had bought it.

I would like to comment based upon a REAL example.

Year: 2000

Area: Windsor Terrace, Brooklyn, NY

Purchase Price: $140k

Investment: $28k ($21k down, $7k Closing)

Renovations: $50k

Rent: 2 apts at $500 per month

Current Year: 2017

Current Value: $1 Million (Conservatively)

Current Rents: $1,900 per month

In terms of the topic and this is just MY strategy, renting to low income, my preference is:

1) I don't invest in Low Income Rentals unless I fully can anticipate the rentals to move up. In the building mentioned above, the rents started out at $500 per month. Today, it is $1,900 per month.

2) The Quality of the tenants must improve over time and full due diligence can be done.

If I am going to take the risk of investing in a "higher risk" area, which generally means a lower income neighborhood, then I need to have a "higher reward."

The "higher reward" is achieved by purchasing in fringe neighborhoods which are eventually going to Gentrify. The above property was in Windsor Terrace which was somewhat sketchy in comparison to other, more prime neighborhoods almost 20 years ago.

Particularly, on that block, there was a specific drug dealer who terrorized the neighborhood. It sort of kept out the spill over of people who were out priced of the higher cost areas.

HOWEVER, eventually the drug dealing family finally sold their home for much more than the drug money they made.... it was inevitable that this would happen because they were greedy.

$140k for that property was not a discount, btw... it was just the price at that time on a fringe block. Everyone I speak to believe I got a bargain. That's correct, but not in the traditional sense.

A bargain is is generally when you get a discount for something. An example is a pair of shoes that sells for 50% cheaper in a discount store.

HOWEVER, an INVESTMENT bargain in Real Estate is more to do with it's future price because unlike the shoes which is worthless after a while, Real Estate will either keep it's value or increase in value.

I'm buying for an INVESTMENT bargain.

I try to buy low income, low value, low cash flow to achieve high income, high value and high cash flow.

It's worked for me for the last 20 years and every year I have heard that it's a big mistake to think you can predict future appreciation.

I guess I have been luck 7 times (I bought 7 multi-family buildings) in a row for the last 20 years. Seemingly an impossible odds.

So if you are open-minded to the possibility that you can buy low income where in 10 years you can do enough research to determine what metrics you can use to predict some value increase in either cash flow and/or value, then I fully recommend this strategy, that I have successfully implemented. You would just need to make conservative assumptions that are as accurate as you can and run a spreadsheet which will tell you how much you can make based on those conservative assumptions.

For instance, if the 30 year appreciation rate is say, 5%, then conservatively, you can use 2%. If the rents move up 3% per year, then assume 1% per year. If the expenses move up historically 4% per year, then assume 6%, and so on. Then create a spreadsheet which takes it all into account for the next 10 years and see what it tells you. Does it give you a substantial profit? Is it mediocre? Is it a bad investment?

Then go to several low income properties in different neighborhoods and eventually, you may find that diamond in the rough.

I also want to point out that when you go to low income, you may not be able to do a full due diligence tenant screening. I'm not sure if anyone had pointed that out just yet.

I have a friend that bought in a low income area and he eventually couldn't really use the Credit Reports because EVERYONE... with out exception.... had poor credit. What was the point?! So while he checks, what's more important was that the person made reliable income.

However, that's a big part of the tenant screening that Denise and I can do here in Brooklyn in good neighborhoods. In my case, no one can rent under a 700 and we get normally 750 or above. Occassionally, we get over 800. Like Denise, I have not done an eviction over 15 years and only by inherited tenants from buildings I bought.

The one eviction I did in 2014 was because I bought a building with another inherited tenant... but that building DOUBLED in price and made approximately $900k in appreciation in 3 years. That was in Bed-Stuy, Brooklyn.

Again, this specific Bed-Stuy Building was renting 2 bedroom apts for $1k per month in 2014. Today, after some renovations, we rent it out for $2,200 per month.

Please note, I'm not trying to convince anyone to do it my way, I'm just trying give an opinion and stategy that has worked for me for 20 years.

 @Llewelyn A.:

Llewelyn,  I sold an apartment building about 3 years ago, did a 1031 exchange, invested in NC but still own in Crown Heights Brooklyn as well. Doing some Air BnB as well.   Lots of growth going on here..... I love being on the cutting edge of change, growth and development especially here in NC.  I'm just having fun and rollin' with it!  Gotta love this real estate life!

Post: Low Income Rentals. Do you like them?

Denise Brown-Puryear
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  • Julian, NC
  • Posts 76
  • Votes 100
Originally posted by @Derrick E.:

@Nicole A. I could see how that was a culture shock to you. I grew up extremely poor and I am the first person in my family to ever truly invest in anything (that I know of anyways.) I think my back ground makes it much easier to deal with these type of people.

 @Derek E.:

 I agree that it can be a culture shock, particularly if one was never exposed to different life realities.  I myself grew up in a tenament (walk-up) in the 60's in Brooklyn, NY.  3 families in one apartment.  However, my grandparents being immigrants from the Caribbean moved out and purchased their first brownstone in Brooklyn.  Afterwards, my parents moved out into a small apartment building 1 block from my grandparents and brought that apartment building at city auction in the mid 70's.  So what am I saying....

Everyone in this forum who landlords is equipped by their background and exposure to their environment to effectively own and operate rentals...even if you eventually hire a PM.  Some of us like working class (poor and moderate income working class), those with government subsidies (Sec 8, etc.), special classes (i.e., disabled, veterans, etc.) and so many other niches that can be developed in the rental business.  I personally have never used Section 8 and most likely won't as I have my market pretty much defined and have been blessed to have pretty good tenants in my service niche.  

Kudos to all on this Forum!