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All Forum Posts by: Ryan Moyer

Ryan Moyer has started 11 posts and replied 863 times.

Post: Happy Holidays $1 properties in Italy

Ryan Moyer
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Originally posted by @Blake H.:

@Bill Brandt just out of curiosity, what happened? And whats the catch?

The "catch" is simply that you have to renovate/restore them within 3 years.

Post: Please share your STR Numbers for Airbnb

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Aren't STRs banned in South Lake Tahoe now?

Post: How to research which towns ban STR’s

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Yeah unfortunately web searches/calling seems to be the only way for now.  I wouldn't even trust looking on AirBnB/VRBO as there are typically a lot of listings on those sites even where STRs are banned from people either renting theirs out illegally or people that were grandfathered in before any restrictions went into affect.

Post: STR: Great Locations Under 450K

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Originally posted by @Matthew Edge:

Are People Recommending Orlando even with the amount of competition there?  Any particular communities in that area that seem to perform the best as far as amenities and location (ie. windsor hills, championsgate etc)?  Im guessing in that market that you really need to go all out on theming and decor?

There are roughly 1.65 gajillion people that vacation in Orlando every year.  Make your place in the top 10% of quality STRs (IE theme rooms, arcade/theater, etc) and you'll have an endless supply of potential guests.

Post: Gatlinburg Price/Property advise - offer accepted

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Originally posted by @Allen McGlashing:

@Jigar Kadakia

Would the numbers make sense for an Air BnB are there enough amenities around? 

Gatlinburg is the #1 STR market in the entire country.

Post: Gatlinburg Price/Property advise - offer accepted

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No offense to anyone that's replied, but you should really ask this in the STR forum where people are more familiar with STR's in particular, because much of the information so far is not accurate.

The good news is your estimates (275 ADR and especially 60% occupancy rate) are way low in the current market.  A new construction 3/2 in Chalet village should be doing 90%+ occupancy right now if the post-covid market holds up.  Even in a worse case 60% is way way way low @ $275/nt.

The bad news is this is not a good return on your funds if you're getting into STR. The 30% down and especially the 35% to a PM are killing you here. Self managers in Gatlinburg right now should be doing ~50% cash on cash as a starting point. If you're bringing in 0.6% in that market you're doing it way wrong.

Post: Looking for a 1st time Property in the Smokey Mountain or Florida

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Not that it matters in the grand scheme of things, but Florida's no income tax will seem like less of a consolation when you see all the random BS taxes that show up on your property closing statement ;)

Post: Is Kissimmee Oversaturated?

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You seem to already have the right idea.  For a regular, nice house yes it's probably oversaturated.  You'll be competing with 10,000+ of the exact same house.

If you're willing to put some money into theming, etc to stand out there is still plenty of meat on the bone.

Post: Short Term Rentals... Are they the root of our housing issues?

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Originally posted by @David M Trapani:

Government has no place regulating private property unless it is causing a legitimate and proven nuisance. Nuisance would include things limited to noise, traffic, trash and crime. Again, there must be hard evidence. Not news stories by media with a political bent, false wolf-crying nimbies or other fraud by people exaggerating a problem that doesn't really exist. Government has no business telling private property owners who may stay, for how long or for how much. That's why it's private property. Property owners work extremely hard to save the down payments, locate, analyze, acquire & operate their investment properties. They already pay the government property tax, income tax, capital gains tax, business license tax, sales tax, etc. ad naseum. Government should not regulate property unless it causes a legitimate nuisance. Government is not a nanny fascist controller of any "housing supply". Governments have laws telling them to build affordable housing. If government fails to do so (which they often fail to do) it is inappropriate illegal and unconstitutional to blame investment property owners & to seek to tax and regulate those private property owners to protect the "housing supply". Not the job of government. If we want to live like Communist China, North Korea, Russia or other similar countries (Just look at Venezuela and Cuba and see what happens) then the government can seize private property and socialism / communism will take root. Government should never interfere with private property ownership absent true nuisance situations. 

Originally posted by @Alex S.:

Thank you @David M Trapani!

Private property rights are an individual freedom...which is the only kind of freedom there is!

When you live in a neighborhood, you do not own the lot next to you. If you want to be undisturbed, move out into the country. If STR guests violate the law (trespassing, noise violation, etc)...call the police.

Capitalism is a beautiful thing...it will work itself out. For example, in Gardiner, MT, housing is exorbitant! It is a vacation launching spot to western Yellowstone National Park. The STR hosts there can't find labor, so you know what they do...THEY PROVIDE THEIR OWN WORKERS HOUSING! IF there is demand for STRs, the market will adjust to make sure the right number of laborers can live there.

I mean, I agree in principal and nothing irks me more than not being able to do something I want to do on my own land, but I'm wondering how exactly the two of you would see this playing out in practice.  The neighborhoods you describe only even exist in the first place because of zoning laws.  Otherwise someone could build a landfill or a loud warehouse nextdoor to you and tank your property value by 80%, which would leave some people in financial ruin.

The reality with STRs is our entire business model is based on a loophole.  We often operate in residentially zoned areas with residential financing even though we are clearly operating a commercial business.  Don't get me wrong I am happy to ride that wave for as long as it lasts and hopefully it will be forever, but the reality is that is what it is for most of us.

Of course in my experience with council/zoning meetings the irony of this kind of thing is that it is often the "don't tread on me" types that are in favor of STR restrictions because the idea of a "transient" population in their living area terrifies them.

Post: Should the Co-Host or Owner Pay For Startup Costs?

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Back before I found the joys of self managing, any time I got a quote from a PM they included those items in startup costs that I as the owner was expected to pay.