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All Forum Posts by: Nathan Frost

Nathan Frost has started 106 posts and replied 336 times.

Post: Umbrella Policy Limits / Requirements

Nathan FrostPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Wichita Falls, TX
  • Posts 338
  • Votes 76
Quote from @Jason Bott:

@Nathan Frost per the attachment, $300k Liability is the minimum required.  Are you saying your below that amount?  Most insurance carriers don't go lower than $300k.  Going from $300k-$1M is usually $20 per year, per building.

I recommend a minimum of $1M on 1-2 units.  We haven't had a client suit exceed $1M, but have had several exceed $300k. 

I mean I could just trust REI Insurance Pro and not get an Umbrella or what is alternatively the best route to take on this?

Post: Umbrella Policy Limits / Requirements

Nathan FrostPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Wichita Falls, TX
  • Posts 338
  • Votes 76
Quote from @Bjorn Ahlblad:

I am not an expert but in my case the umbrella is designed to protect me and my net worth. Forget the LLC, or no LLC. If I get sued I am covered to the extent of my net worth whether someone slips and falls, or I run them over with my truck.


 What insurance company does this for you?

Post: Umbrella Policy Limits / Requirements

Nathan FrostPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Wichita Falls, TX
  • Posts 338
  • Votes 76
Quote from @Jason Bott:

@Nathan Frost per the attachment, $300k Liability is the minimum required.  Are you saying your below that amount?  Most insurance carriers don't go lower than $300k.  Going from $300k-$1M is usually $20 per year, per building.

I recommend a minimum of $1M on 1-2 units.  We haven't had a client suit exceed $1M, but have had several exceed $300k. 


 Saying each rental is below the 300k amount.

Post: Rental Property Business Structures + Asset Protection

Nathan FrostPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Wichita Falls, TX
  • Posts 338
  • Votes 76
Quote from @Nathan Gesner:

$800 a year to maintain, plus the initial time and cost of setting them up, plus separate bank accounts, etc.

People set up an LLC to separate business assets and protect their private property from a lawsuit. How many Landlords do you know that have been sued for such an amount that insurance didn't cover it, they lost all the equity in their investment property, and then they lost private property? I'll wait right here while you generate that list...

Done? Is it blank? Of course it is.

Insurance companies are in the business of making money, not paying it out. They cover you for $350,000 or $500,000 because they know they'll never pay that out. Even if you were sued for $1 million, it's likely going to be settled out of court for a much smaller amount unless you were egregiously evil or blatantly violating the law.

Don't make your life so complicated. You can put all the properties under one LLC (or no LLC) and buy an umbrella insurance policy of $2 million and things will be easier and cheaper and still protected.


 But an Umbrella only kicks in if meet the requirements.  Seems like a waist of money if don't have your rentals at a higher premium.  I really don't want to raise all my coverages for this.

Post: LLC versus Umbrella Policy

Nathan FrostPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Wichita Falls, TX
  • Posts 338
  • Votes 76
Quote from @Chris Seveney:
Quote from @Steve K.:

Hi everyone!

New investor here, trying to learn as much as I can from all of you veterans out there. Thank you in advance for your advice and help!

In general, does having a good umbrella policy offer adequate protection compared to forming an LLC for my future rental properties. I've been receiving conflicting information if the hassle of forming and maintaining an LLC is worth it. Could having a good umbrella policy adequately protect us against a tenant trying to sue us for our assets?


Ask your attorney. For my personal portfolio we have an umbrella policy for my rentals. We viewed an LLC as overkill and I would rather have insurance and much lower loan rates


 Umbrella Policies have limit requirements

other wise you need to raise all your rental insurance coverages.

Post: Umbrella Policy Limits / Requirements

Nathan FrostPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Wichita Falls, TX
  • Posts 338
  • Votes 76

 Hi everyone, I am trying to figure out the best solution for covering rental properties in case of a lawsuit. I have insurance on all of them and used to do an Umbrella Policy, however, the umbrella is really pointless unless you meet the insurance limits/requirements. See attachment.
I would have to raise all my insurance coverage on all my rentals in order to get adequate Umbrella coverage but then that takes away from cash flow. Check out the attachment but I am still curious as to what is the best route to take on this. I have an LLC and insurance but how can I protect myself? Raising insurance on all the properties is expensive.

Post: Subject to Purchase Agreement

Nathan FrostPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Wichita Falls, TX
  • Posts 338
  • Votes 76
Quote from @Andrew Postell:

@Nathan Frost thanks for the post.  Always good to hear from a fellow Texan.  I would HIGHLY recommend getting with someone here locally if you have found a property that would work as a "Subject To" transaction.  There are several things that need to occur in that process.  "Sub To" deals are hard to find...and many that are "found" end up being good deals, but not as "sub to" deals.  So working with someone that can show the ropes first hand will help you find more deals faster.

I would also state that we don't provide ANY earnest money on 99% of the "sub to" deals that are executed on. Now, if you want some local advice, I would suggest speaking to Roger Paschal.  He wrote a great book on Subject To (of which, Pace Morby wrote the foreword on) and he's right here in Texas. This is the website to the book: https://subject2book.com/  Bigger Pockets doesn't let us post people's phone numbers but I think you can reach out to him there.

Anyway, I hope that helps in some way.


 Agree he makes it sound so easy but Pacy has a team looking for him daily.  And looking across the nation.  I just look locally.

Post: Subject to Purchase Agreement

Nathan FrostPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Wichita Falls, TX
  • Posts 338
  • Votes 76

Anyone have a solid Subto Purchase Agreeent that covers the part Pace Morby mentions.  Looking for a solid Purchase Agreement Template that covers this.

Basically saying - where I borrow $5,000 for the EMD, and it is from a Gator/PML during the option period, that the seller waives their rights to object to the release of the deposit to the buyer.



Post: Financial Advisor / Consolidate Debt Recommendations

Nathan FrostPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Wichita Falls, TX
  • Posts 338
  • Votes 76
Quote from @Steve Vaughan:

The cost of capital getting a loan secured by real estate will be extremely high on $15k.  Title work and closing costs, recording fees, etc.  

I'd save organically or get a signature loan or title (vehicle) loan from my bank. Keep RE out of it @Nathan Frost

Can you explain the second paragraph?

Post: Financial Advisor / Consolidate Debt Recommendations

Nathan FrostPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Wichita Falls, TX
  • Posts 338
  • Votes 76

Hi, does anyone have a financial advisor they recommend. Looking to consolidate debt and want to figure out the best way possible.  Or would be open to discussing on here.

I have 10 rental properties all with a mortgage but all are rented.  My situation is I had to do some repairs (HVAC) and wanted to see what the best route is to consolidate about 15k in debt to a low payment that I could pay off in 2-5 years.