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All Forum Posts by: Owen Rosen

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Post: Tenant insurance underwritten with landlords name

Owen Rosen
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Quote from @Rod Hanks:

It’s a good idea to have the insurance policy include both the tenant’s name and yours as additional insured. This ensures that any payout for damage or liability can be processed more smoothly, and it can help protect your interests if something happens on the property.

However, tenant insurance is typically intended to cover personal property and liability for the tenant, not the building itself. For full protection, your mortgage company will likely still require you to carry a landlord or dwelling policy. These policies cover the structure and additional liabilities related to your property that the tenant’s insurance doesn’t.


Rod, are you sure about this?  Many insurance companies do not allow adding a landlord as additional insured.  Sometimes agents do it because they don't know any better, are order takers, or make a mistake.  Additional interest?  Absolutely.

If a landlord is listed as additional insured (rather than additional interest) they cannot make a claim against one another's liability policy for damages - it could completely jeopardize the coverage they think they're making it easier to get.  This isn't good for the landlord or tenant.

Post: Tenant insurance underwritten with landlords name

Owen Rosen
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Quote from @Kar Sun:

All my tenants are required to have tenant insurance. They have a liability for a full value of my property plus I make them have personal property for $30k. 
is it advisable to have the insurance underwritten with tenant and my name on it?

I believe if something happens and the tenant only has it in their name I am unable to get the proceeds because the check will be written to them. 
Additionally , the coverage should satisfy my mortgage company where I don’t have to buy a separate landlord policy. 
what say you?


Your tenant can get renters insurance in their name - not yours.  You aren't the insured in this case.

Renters insurance does not cover the physical damage of the real property - it covers the tenants personal property and other things.  Landlord insurance covers the dwelling/property.

Renters insurance has liability coverage which might provide you coverage if your tenant is negligent or liable for an accident/damages, etc.

You can/should have your tenant list you as an "Additional Interest" on their policy.  This is different from "Additional Insured."  Landlords should not be listed as an "Additional Insured" as that implies they have insurable interest (they don't) and have authority to file claims or receive coverage (such as in a lawsuit) from the renters insurance.  This in actuality is not correct

As an Additional Interest, you will receive notifications about the status of the policy to make sure it remains in force.  Similar to a mortgage company on a landlord policy.  

Renters insurance will not under any circumstances "satisfy" your mortgage company.

Post: Converting from homeowner to landlord insurance policy

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Quote from @Salil Surendran:

I purchased landlord's insurance. So I can completely surrender the homeowners insurance right?


 Yes, you can't have both

Post: Converting from homeowner to landlord insurance policy

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Quote from @Greg M.:

500K is high and will exclude lots of companies from writing the renters policy. Many companies offer 300K max and above that they'd need an umbrella. 

Liability insurance covers negligence. If your tenant falls down the stairs because they were clumsy, you're not liable. If a stair comes loose, you may be liable. Once your primary liability insurance is exhausted, your 3M umbrella would kick in. 

Mold is being excluded by many companies. Some offer it as an additional rider for more money. For those with coverage, whether an occurance of it is covered would be based on how it occured and did/should you have knowledge about the potential for mold. Many companies are also limiting the claim for mold. You may have a 1M policy, but 25K for mold limit.

Cracked water pipe MAY be covered. Insurance companies are becoming stricter on things. If the pipe is 50 years old and had a life expectancy of 30 years, they're going to argue it was due to lack of care on your part and try to deny the claim. 

Normal repairs are absolutely NOT covered by insurance. Those are out of your pocket. Loss of rental income is only covered if it is listed in your policy. 


 A few notes from a licensed insurance agent:

$500,000 liability coverage on renters insurance is not difficult or expensive to get.  Do some companies max out at $300,000? Sure, but again securing $500,000 isn't difficult.

That said, liability coverage is lawsuit protection coverage just like it is for you.  There's no guarantee that the liability coverage will pay out unless the tenant is negligent, at fault, etc.

Mold is typically not covered by insurance at all.  If it is covered it's usually if caused by a covered loss meaning mold develops due to some other covered peril.  If you just randomly find mold in a property, it's highly unlikely any insurance will cover that.  Just because you see a mold limit on your policy does not mean you have coverage for mold.  It likely means you have that amount of coverage when caused by another peril and as mentioned it's typically a significantly lower limit than other coverage amounts.

If a pipe bursts, it will likely be covered.  If you have a slow leak...coverage is less likely especially with aged plumbing.

To the original poster, Salil.  These specific questions should be posed to the agent that sold you the policy.  Every policy is different.  A knowledgeable agent is invaluable.  If you don't have an agent...well...nothing is a problem until it's a problem but our advice and opinions are meaningless if you actually need to use your insurance.

It's vitally important that you understand exactly what you have before you need it.  Get things in writing if you're not comfortable with what you see or hear.

Post: Converting from homeowner to landlord insurance policy

Owen Rosen
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Quote from @Salil Surendran:

Just rented out my primary residence and researching insurance coverage. Here is what I have learnt. Please do comment if wrong:

  1. If you are not residing in a unit then a homeowner’s insurance will not cover anything. If there is any kind of damage to the house because of a natural cause if you approach the insurance company without a landlord's insurance they will outright deny your claim.
  2. If you have a mortgage the bank will insist that you have landlord insurance
  3. Tenant has renter's insurance. So if there is any kind of physical harm to the tenant say due to slipping on the stairs etc. the tenants renter insurance will cover the medical cost. It the tenant causes a fire and damages my house and neighboring houses then their renter's insurance will conver all the costs.
  4. My HOA has insurance. So if there is a fire due to natural cause, HOA insurance will cover the cost of exterior repair like painting the exterior walls. My landlord insurance will have to cover the costs of fixing the interior like replacing carpet, interior painting etc.
  5. I can completely give up on homeowner’s insurance and just buy landlord insurance?

 1. If you have not disclosed how a property is actually being used - coverage is always in jeopardy

2. If you have a mortgage the lender will require you to have insurance that protects the asset that secures the loan

3. Tenants renters insurance does not cover medical expenses for the tenant

4. This depends on the HOA and the insurance. In general, if you have a typical condo unit the HOA insurance covers the exterior structure while your insurance covers the "studs in."

5. If you do not live in a property, you should not have homeowners insurance on it.  You need some sort of insurance that covers non-owner occupied properties, whatever it might be called.

Post: Insurance Coverage Question

Owen Rosen
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Quote from @Carl Rowles:

When you insure a SFH rental property, do you try to adjust and of the coverage amounts? We bought a home built in 1900, insurance water damage coverage is 10% of the dwelling limit. Do you up that? Or how do you just 'take it on the chin' when sh*t happens? (Sh*t has definitely happened already...)


 Some carriers require limited water damage coverage depending on the age of the property and age of utilities.

I would recommend at least 25% (ideally more) when possible and if you're limited to 10% you should make sure you cannot purchase another policy for a similar price.

Post: Flooded House-Plz Help

Owen Rosen
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Quote from @Carl Rowles:

We signed the lease on Black Friday. Thought they were moving in the couple days after that. 


 The property can only be vacant for so long without notifying insurance so when the prior tenant moved out could be impactful here.

Post: Flooded House-Plz Help

Owen Rosen
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Quote from @Carl Rowles:

Hey BPFAM,

new investor, so just need guidance. 

We are eight hours away from our property visiting family for Christmas and got a call that our rental has 3 feet of water in the basement. A ceiling has collapsed and the property is not safe to enter. Water is shut off and they are removing the electrical meter. Tenants leased the property beginning December one but apparently have not moved in yet? Not sure on that front. What the city housing clerk is telling me is that there was a water leak from behind the sink pedestal on the second floor bathroom that has been running for a week.


 I don’t even know where to begin outside of calling my insurance company. Can anyone please lend some guidance?


 Sorry to hear about this.

You mentioned that the tenants haven't moved in...how long has it been vacant for?

Post: Liability Insurance for room rental

Owen Rosen
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  • Clinton Township, MI
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Quote from @William Stewart:

Hi BP nation I rent a property out by the room.  It's a 5 bed 3 bath. I was insured through NREIG when it was a single rental to one family but now since I have transferred to room they dropped me. Does anyone else do it like this and who do you use for liability insurance? Thank you in advance for any help


 One thing I've seen with policies through NREIG is that investors have basic perils/actual cash value coverage only and aren't aware.  Not sure how their program works but I've seen this personally a dozen times with the key part the insured not being aware...

Post: Any experience with landlord insurance after property is burglarized and vandalized

Owen Rosen
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Quote from @Nicholas Foy:

Has anyone ever had to deal with a rental being broken into and vandalized? I got a call from the Warren City hall and they reported pipes bursting and the whole driveway is flooded on initial reports. They reported a window sill being taken off and it would appear someone broke in over the Christmas week. I’m wondering on the process of getting things in order to rehab the house through insurance and put it up for sale. I’m going to take a big hit getting rid of it but it’s been a complete disaster since I bought it in October of 2023. Various repair issues, bad tenant, and now this issue. Thanks for any advice you can give. 


Did you still have the bad tenant or was the property vacant?  If vacant, did you have vacant property insurance and/or for how long was it vacant for?

Do you have vandalism as a covered peril?