All Forum Posts by: Patrick Goswitz
Patrick Goswitz has started 11 posts and replied 43 times.
Post: My heart hurts. BAD INVESTMENT

- Flipper/Rehabber
- Knoxville, TN
- Posts 43
- Votes 20
Only .15 acres. This actually ended up turning into a good deal...hopefully. I am doing an owner finance at 10.75% on an 10 yr note and the buyer is putting 60k down for a purchase price of 125k. Of course, hasn't closed yet but no more contingencies.
Post: My heart hurts. BAD INVESTMENT

- Flipper/Rehabber
- Knoxville, TN
- Posts 43
- Votes 20
Quote from @Bill J Fay:
Look into a seller carry or keep it for a rental yourself if you don't need the immediate cash. Do you have an investor friendly agent that can keep an open ear for prospective cash buyers?
It does look like I'll be going the rental route. I am an agent as well and hopefully will get a cash buyer.
Post: My heart hurts. BAD INVESTMENT

- Flipper/Rehabber
- Knoxville, TN
- Posts 43
- Votes 20
Quote from @Cory King:
Quote from @Patrick Goswitz:
I bought a manufactured house and the land for 60k. I put in about 30k. I put it on the market and instantly had several interested buyers along with an offer for 140k conventional. Even though the manufactured house is pretty much completely updated... the manufactured house was made before 1976 so no buyer can get a loan. Any advice? I can get $1,000/ month in rent or do I just sell for a loss and try to find a cash buyer who would live in it.
Lease option? Seller finance? Surely you'll get at leaset 1K a month. There's not much in or around Knoxville that's renting for less that $1k/mo.
Post: My heart hurts. BAD INVESTMENT

- Flipper/Rehabber
- Knoxville, TN
- Posts 43
- Votes 20
I bought a manufactured house and the land for 60k. I put in about 30k. I put it on the market and instantly had several interested buyers along with an offer for 140k conventional. Even though the manufactured house is pretty much completely updated... the manufactured house was made before 1976 so no buyer can get a loan. Any advice? I can get $1,000/ month in rent or do I just sell for a loss and try to find a cash buyer who would live in it.
Post: Central Heat & Air or Window Unit

- Flipper/Rehabber
- Knoxville, TN
- Posts 43
- Votes 20
Hello I have a mobile home. I currently have 2 window units I purchased from Home Depot. I was quoted 12-14k for new central heat and air which included all the duct work. The home is 970 sqft. Should I stick with window units or go the HVAC route? I currently have 90k in this property and the market value I think is at least 150k. I am asking 165k right now.
Post: Purchasing Material For Contractors

- Flipper/Rehabber
- Knoxville, TN
- Posts 43
- Votes 20
Quote from @Matthew Paul:
Quote from @Patrick Goswitz:
Quote from @Matthew Paul:
Customer buys the materials , what could possibly go wrong .....................?
The minute a potential customer asks that question , its time to say , good bye .
Everything contractors do and should have a mark up , labor , materials , subcontractors , dumpsters , etc . This is how we make a living and cover our bills . Contracting is a business , profit is the goal , not a paycheck .
If you want points on your credit card , ask your contractor if they take credit cards , I do . You pay 4% credit card fee .
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Ok fair enough. You don't want the customer to buy materials because they buy cheap materials or wrong materials. I completely understand. What about just giving the contractor my credit card to purchase the materials that are needed. Any problem with that?
I get a 40% discount off retail with my supplier due to my volume purchaces and prompt payment . You get charged retail . The 40% goes to the contractor .
You can pay the contractor with your credit card for everything .
I am would be fine this!
Post: Purchasing Material For Contractors

- Flipper/Rehabber
- Knoxville, TN
- Posts 43
- Votes 20
Quote from @Matthew Paul:
Customer buys the materials , what could possibly go wrong .....................?
The minute a potential customer asks that question , its time to say , good bye .
Everything contractors do and should have a mark up , labor , materials , subcontractors , dumpsters , etc . This is how we make a living and cover our bills . Contracting is a business , profit is the goal , not a paycheck .
If you want points on your credit card , ask your contractor if they take credit cards , I do . You pay 4% credit card fee .
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Ok fair enough. You don't want the customer to buy materials because they buy cheap materials or wrong materials. I completely understand. What about just giving the contractor my credit card to purchase the materials that are needed. Any problem with that?
Post: Purchasing Material For Contractors

- Flipper/Rehabber
- Knoxville, TN
- Posts 43
- Votes 20
Quote from @Justin Suyama:
As a contractor, I never let anyone but me purchase the materials. Why? Because I know exactly what's needed, and how much. I don't want my time wasted by someone who doesn't purchase materials for a living.
When I worked mostly for home owners, I'd have some who wanted to buy the paint, or some such. Well, I'd bid the job, they'd buy the paint, only they'd show up with the cheapest Glidden product on the shelf that I'd have to put 3 coats onto a wall to cover. This costed me more in my time, yet my bid was submitted. A respectable paint would require a good first coat and a fast 2nd touchup fill in generally.
In another situation, my customer would buy faucets. They got the cheapest brand at the store. I installed them. I was back out there in 6 months replacing them because the gaskets leaked or the handles broke.
Over the last 10 years I've created and maintained relationships with investors, now friends. I don't mark up materials. I charge them what they cost me and I get a better price than anyone else because of the volume I spend.
I do charge for my time and 25+ years of experience as a contractor. This works the best for us but it takes some trust and you SHOULD know roughly what materials are gonna be so that you can get an idea of markups if any. This takes perhaps a few projects to get the hang of.
Fair enough. You don't want the customer purchasing the material because they often screw up or don't know what is needed. I completely understand that.
How about this...I give you my credit card to purchase the materials. Is there any problem with that?
Post: Purchasing Material For Contractors

- Flipper/Rehabber
- Knoxville, TN
- Posts 43
- Votes 20
Quote from @Kyle Ebersole:
Tons of responses here for you! It all depends on how you want to set up your business. For me personally, I want to control the finishes.. light fixtures, plumbing fixtures, cabinet pulls etc I will purchase and have shipped to the house. Everything else, I have the contractor buy. Its simpler and less on my plate and therefore I can focus on another house, finding another deal, etc.
I agree. It seems like it all kind of depends. Some contractors on here seem to get really upset if you even ask that question.
Post: Purchasing Material For Contractors

- Flipper/Rehabber
- Knoxville, TN
- Posts 43
- Votes 20
Quote from @Cory Lucas:
@Patrick Goswitz what's the end goal? Saving money I assume, if that's the case what does it matter if you're getting bids and going with the lowest bid or are you going with a contractor you know and trust? Either way for me they should be able to make their money however it is that they make their money, especially if you find a contractor you like, trust, and want to come back?
If you get 3 bids and for easy numbers sake lets' say you get $3k, $4k, and $5k as the bids, but choose to go with the lowest bid and then tell him you want to buy the materials to save the money yet that's where he's cutting his costs to obtain your business you're still kind of cutting off your own hand despite your face right? I don't know, I usually get 3 bids and go with whom I'm comfortable with, it's less heavy lifting in the end that you have to do anyway. Plus if something is forgotten are you going to run to the store everytime they need a box of screws or something?
I do most of my own work, but when I contract stuff out I let the contractor purchase their materials, besides they know what they want and need. Would you purchase your HVAC stuff and then have an HVAC company come in to install? Just some thoughts
I do believe everyone wants to save money if they can. I don't mind at all a contractor charging a markup on material. I should've been more clear in my original post. I like the credit card points as they can add up quickly. Would it be foolish to give a contractor my credit card to purchase material and have him keep receipts of materials purchased then when the job is finished I can pay him his markup on material?