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All Forum Posts by: Patsy Waldron

Patsy Waldron has started 17 posts and replied 459 times.

Post: Best website to find distressed properties?

Patsy WaldronPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Orlando, FL
  • Posts 463
  • Votes 220

Get in touch with a realtor and explain your criteria (area/city you want to focus on, price range, any other criteria like square footage, or single family vs. multi family) and ask them to set up an MLS search for you. Every time a property comes on the market that matches your criteria, you will receive an e-mail. If you act quickly, you can definitely get a great deal.

Post: Questions Regarding "Financing Considered"?

Patsy WaldronPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Orlando, FL
  • Posts 463
  • Votes 220

Some types of loans take longer to process than others, and some have more stringent critera for underwriting. For example, a USDA loan at one time was taking 6 weeks for USDA to review. That is in addition to the upfront period of inspection, appraisal, etc, required by the bank. Some sellers may not want or be able to (due to moving, buying another property, etc.) wait that long.

An FHA inspection is notorious for being stricter about the condition of the home than conventional. when I sold my primary home to an FHA buyer a few years ago, I had to fix a small section of rotting wood in the frame of the garage door at a cost of several hundred dollars- because you can't just fix a few inches, you have to replace the whole side! This would likely not have been an issue with a conventional loan.

If a home has undergone an FHA inspection, that report stands for 6 months, so the seller can't just say "Oh well, next!"- because if the next buyer also has an FHA loan, the same repairs will be expected. So some only go for conventional or whatever.

All that to say... If VA is not included in the list of financing options, it is likely they are not considering offers with VA financing. You can always have your agent ask the listing agent, though- if the property has been on the market for a while, the sellers may be willing to consider your offer.

Post: Creative Financing Suggestions Needed!

Patsy WaldronPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Orlando, FL
  • Posts 463
  • Votes 220

@Rachel Nunes

You don't have to know many people, just the right people. :) Try to see if there is a REIA near you with a meeting in the next few days, go to that and network like crazy! Shop your property around (without revealing the address) and see if you can't get someone with deep pockets and lots of experience to be willing to partner with you. If no one there can't, they will at least have referrals for you. If the deal is as good as you say, SOMEone will want to jump in!

Good luck. :)

Post: Nickname vs. legal name on contract: Does it matter?

Patsy WaldronPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Orlando, FL
  • Posts 463
  • Votes 220

@Charlie Fitzgerald

Thank you! I figured as much. I changed the name on the contract to avoid any questions or hold-ups later.

Post: How to get a property under contract

Patsy WaldronPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Orlando, FL
  • Posts 463
  • Votes 220

@Dakoda Spencer

You are welcome. Glad I was able to help. Good luck- remember, the first step is always the hardest one to take!

Post: Biggest project yet! Middleville, MI

Patsy WaldronPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Orlando, FL
  • Posts 463
  • Votes 220

Look forward to following your rehab journey- good luck!

Post: Nickname vs. legal name on contract: Does it matter?

Patsy WaldronPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Orlando, FL
  • Posts 463
  • Votes 220

Quick question for legal minds and experienced buyers out there.....

I am buying a property which will be held in an LLC. As I was going to sign on dotloop, I noticed that the Realtor had used my nickname instead of my legal name. Does it matter? Especially since the property will technically be owned by my LLC and not by me personally? Thanks in advance!

Post: How to get a property under contract

Patsy WaldronPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Orlando, FL
  • Posts 463
  • Votes 220

OK! If you are looking at different properties, everything makes much more sense.

If you personally want an appraisal, Google appraisers in your area and contact them, asking them how much it would cost for the type and size building you are looking at (SFH, 1600 sf) and for the purpose for which you need it. Compare prices and reviews, then hire one of them!

Sounds like you are dealing fair and square with the seller, nice to hear.

As for FSBO- It is very common for agents to represent buyers and negotiate with the seller. They are usually paid a commission (by the seller) and sometimes the entire 6% because, if the seller is inexperienced, they have to do the listing agent's work too! You should not have to pay your buyer's agent in any case. In a FSBO contract, your agent will make sure there is language in there about them getting paid.

Post: How to get a property under contract

Patsy WaldronPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Orlando, FL
  • Posts 463
  • Votes 220

@Dakoda Spencer

You're welcome! I am glad my reply made things a little clearer for you. 

Now, to your next questions:

1. "Since it is for sale by owner, I assume having a buyer's agent won't really make sense since they won't benefit from it."

Actually, the buyer's agent is for YOUR benefit, and your agent would include in the contract how s/he would get paid. 

2. "This house is a little too far from my area so I would rather just wholesale the deal instead of taking it on as my first flip. Are there any other contracts I could use that wouldn't be as in depth as the one from an agent? I know that it is so in depth for a reason and I don't want to cut corners. That said, are there any others that would make it more simple for both the seller and I? Again, I plan on wholesaling this property."

If you are wholesaling, you will need to decide on the exact way you will do it- assignment of contract? Double closing? Buy and then resell? Each of these options has different implications for how much money you personally need to have in hand or find to close the deal. There are also legal implications (for example, Ohio, where I live, frowns upon assignment if you are not a real estate broker), as well as ethical considerations (Does the seller know that you intend to turn around and sell their property for more than you are paying?). Some wholesalers put very clear language about their intentions in their contract with the seller so the seller does not back out at the last minute when they realize the wholesaler is only an intermediary, or to protect themselves from a legal battle against a seller who thinks they have been taken advantage of. Think through these issues seriously before you embark on wholesaling. You of course want it to be simple, but also to protect your interests in case things go south (and many investors will tell you that they can go south very quickly. Search the forum for some recent stories....)

3. "You mentioned that the bank will have an appraisal done to check the value of the property. Can you give me more detail about that? Can I have an appraisal done on a house just for myself? Is there a way for an appraiser to tell me what a house will appraise for after a rehab?"

Anyone can order an appraisal. Not sure why you would order an appraisal for a property you plan to wholesale, but yes, you could if you were willing to shell out several hundred bucks. An easier way to determine ARV is to ask an agent to run comps of recently sold properties with the finishes that you anticipate. And yes, appraisers can tell you how much a house is worth in its present condition ("present market value") as well as after rehab ("future market value"). Experienced flippers or buy-and-hold investors will know the ARV.

4. "I ask this question with the BRRRR strategy in mind. I want to make sure I can refinance to pull out enough to pay off any private or hard money lenders."

If you are wholesaling the property, you are selling it to someone else immediately after you buy it. If you are using BRRRR, you are rehabbing the house and holding it as a rental. You can't do both. 

But if you are rehabbing, yes, you want to make sure your purchase price + rehab costs come in at or under 75% to maintain equity in the property (to be able to refinance) and allow you to pay off lenders.

Post: How to get a property under contract

Patsy WaldronPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Orlando, FL
  • Posts 463
  • Votes 220

Hi @Dakoda Spencer

To give you a really helpful answer, it would be good to know a couple of details:

1. Do you have financing lined up or cash available? That will direct your contract negotiations with the seller. You say that the seller is looking for 70% cash- is that off an asking price?

2. Are you working with a buyer's agent? You say that you have asked agents to pull comps, but do you have one who is representing you? If you do, your agent will present your offer on your behalf.

I love flow charts too, but I hope just a step-by-step guide will help you understand the process.

1. Figure out how you will finance your potential purchase (many on BP will disagree, saying that "if you find the deal the money will come"; I personally prefer to have my ducks in a row and appear serious when negotiating with seller). If you are paying cash, you know exactly how much you can afford. If you are financing with a bank, through private lenders, or some other way, you will need to talk to your financing source and figure out how much they will lend you and on what terms (interest rate, term of loan). This will give you a pretty good idea of what to limit your search to.

2. Contact an agent (or several, until you find one with whom you are comfortable) and explain to them what your criteria are- the type of property you are looking for, neighborhood, price range. It sounds like you don't have a buyer's agent. Since this is your first real estate purchase, I strongly recommend that you do work with a buyer's agent. It won't cost you anything- their commission is paid by the seller! It's in your best interest to have a professional negotiating on your behalf. They know things that you won't even think of. 

So- your agent will usually set you up with an online search that emails you MLS listings, or send you specific listings that match your criteria. In your case, it sounds like you have already found the property!

3. Once you identify a property that you are interested in purchasing, your agent and you will discuss an offer price as well as any conditions (e.g. contingencies like being able to get financing, a satisfactory inspection of the property, closing by a certain date, anything you want from the seller, like the awesome mirror hanging in the hallway). Most people offer below asking price, expecting the seller to counter. For example, you could offer an amount $10,000 below the asking price, but you expect the seller to counter at $5,000 more, etc.

4. Your agent has a form used for real estate contracts and probably fill it in and send it to you to sign, and then send it to the seller/seller's agent (if they have one). If you are dealing directly with the seller, you can take @John Thedford's advice and hand deliver the contract so you can talk to the seller. Nowadays it is all done online- the contract is in the cloud, you get an e-mail when you need to sign something, you sign online (electronic signature) and everything is transferred electronically and instantly. Beats carrying paper copies around!

5. The seller has the option to accept, reject, ignore, or counter your offer. If they accept, yay! You are officially under contract. If they reject your offer, you are out of luck. If they ignore it, not much you can do. If they counter, negotiate until you both agree on mutually acceptable price and purchase terms. At this point, you are expected to put some money down to show you are serious (called an earnest money deposit). This is done with an attorney or a title company which will handle all the paperwork to transfer ownership from the current owner to you. 

6. Hopefully you included an inspection in your report- you usually have a certain period (called the due diligence period) during which to order a property inspection (your agent probably knows an inspector and will arrange that). Get that done, and use the results to negotiate the price down or other concessions from the seller. For example, you can ask for them to repair a few things or to give you a reduction in purchase price so you can take care of them. Again, expect a back-and-forth.

7. If you are financing the property, at this stage you would turn things over to your lender. You will submit the final contract and any documentation relating to your personal finances that they may require. They will require an appraisal to make sure that the property is worth at least what you are going to pay for it; you will likely pay them for that. After that is done and all is in order (i.e. the property appraised at or above the purchase price), they will complete the underwriting. 

8. A few days before your scheduled closing date (anywhere from a couple of weeks for cash offers to 2 full months for bank-financed transactions), you should get an update from your agent or the title company whether everything is in order and whether you will be able to close on time. If you are financing, make sure you don't have anything new appear on your credit report (like a new car....), as the bank will check your credit report one last time right before sending the money to make sure it's still safe to lend to you. 

Sometimes things get a little behind and closing happens a few days late. Hopefully your seller is okay with that.

9. On closing day, be prepared to show up with a check for your share of the closing costs and to sign a few (if cash) or a lot (if bank) of papers!! At the end of it all you get the keys to your new house and you walk away a home owner!

Hope this helps. I made this really basic, and I am not sure how much of it applies to your situation as you mentioned a cash offer. Feel free to ask clarification for your particular situation. Good luck!