All Forum Posts by: Phil Christian
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Post: PM & CapEx in or out for figuring Valuation???

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- Yorba Linda, CA
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Cap X upfront:
$$$ based on immediate work you would like to do initially after closing add that cost to your basis then math out your Cap Rate (yield on cost / forward cap).
Cap X "as-needed when needed... but maybe":
For underwriting the Cap Rate put it below the line. This $$$ you may or may not do so it will negatively effect your underwriting and business plan if you unnecessarily budget.
Cap X Lender Required Reserves:
Below the line in the form of $250 a month (for 12 units). You're Cap Rate will still look healthy but your Return on Equity will be reduced by the $250.
Post: 12 Unit Property Value Add Oppurtunity

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- Yorba Linda, CA
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Originally posted by @Derek Moore:
Phil Christian hey thanks for the reply but those numbers sound like I would be way over spending for the market. It does need tons of work but for the sake of perspective.. the target tenant will be college students looking to live off campus.
If it's what you say it is it sounds like a complete re-build.
Interior Units: $25,000 a unit ($300,000)
Roof: $20,000
Exterior Repairs (Stucco & Wood): $15,000
Exterior Paint: $20,000
Gates/Railing/Fencing: $10,000
Windows: $20,000
Hardscape: $30,000
Landscape: $30,000
Furnishing/Mail Boxes: $4,000
Site Lighting: $5,000
Electrical Re-Wire: $7,500 unit ($90,000)
Re-Plumb: $4,000 unit ($48,000)
Laundry Facility: $5,000
Garage/Parking: $4,500
20% GC Fee
= $61,350 per unit.
I was a little off but I didn't take into consideration extensive drywall repair on the interior units. Nor did I take into account code upgrades/ADA. This said, I retract my previous number and would budget $65,000 a unit... if it's as bad as you say.
Post a picture or link of the property.
Post: Source of Traffic Analysis

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- Yorba Linda, CA
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Originally posted by @David Gonzalez:
@Phil Christian I totally agree that Craigslist has fallen out of favor. 3+ years ago I would post an ad on Craigslist and a majority of my leads for the property would come from responding to the ad. If I wanted to get more leads I would re-post the original ad.
What I feel is happening is that Craigslist is where people start their search for homes but not where they actually respond to schedule an appointment. I have worked at several apartment communities where we would loose traffic if we stopped (or slowed down) our Craigslist posting. Even though we were still on Zillow/Apartments.com we would loose traffic to our community because we were not posting on Craigslist.
Craigslist is no longer the site that gives you leads but is the site where people know you exist and contact you on other sites.
The Social Media line item is Facebook... The Rent Hit rate is probably single digits compared to other sources but we have been getting rents.
Post: PM & CapEx in or out for figuring Valuation???

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- Yorba Linda, CA
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Property Management is an operating expense. CAP X is a..... CAP X expense.
Put property management in OPEX, above the line and put CAP X below the line.
Post: 12 Unit Property Value Add Oppurtunity

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- Yorba Linda, CA
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If it is as much work as you say so, I'd start with $75,000.00 - $85,000.00 a unit and work your way from there.
Post: Source of Traffic Analysis

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Originally posted by @David Gonzalez:
I know for a fact that Craigslist has fallen out of fashion in core SoCal markets with the demographic of "our" resident's. On average our resident's are 34 yrs old and a 1 person household makes $65,000 and a 2 person household makes $92,000.
Post: Section 8 California - How much notice is required to vacate?

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90 days written notice is CA state law. Check for local laws. You can also call the local Section 8 representative. There is typically a person that specifically handles Section 8 for a particular submarket.
Post: Source of Traffic Analysis

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Originally posted by @Antoine Martel:
Awesome data. Love it.
Crazy to see how important drive by/signs are. They pulled in just as much as hotpads.com did.
I think that is why its important to buy assets that have street frontage, hopefully on a busy street. This then allows more people to drive by and when you get a vacant unit you can put a sign out front and have a continuous stream of people walking in an out.
Where are your properties? Out of state?
These projects are all in SoCal and grouped within a 2 mile radius of eachother.
Oddly enough, I have been an asset manager on larger (private client & institutional) communities and drive by was always the largest traffic & rent source. This being said, these communities are 10-50 units each and the "drive by traffic" is exclusively unqualified prospects. In the last ~2 years we have only received 1 rent from drive-by traffic. This always strikes me as odd because our locations are prime real estate and conventional wisdom has been proven false for us.
Hands down Zillow/Trulia/Hotpads (they are all the same company) have been the #1 source of traffic and rents.
Post: Source of Traffic Analysis

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No question, just sharing some info which could help.
We own and operate ~350 units spread across 15 different communities (logistical nightmare) in Southern California and all projects are going through a major re-position / value add plan. We do not pay for any online advertising. The management team consists of four (4) in the front offices and here is their traffic & rent numbers for last week (week ending March 25, 2018).
Post: Where did you get your purchase agreement?

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- Yorba Linda, CA
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What type of product is this for? Multi-Family, Office, Industrial, Retail?
If it's multi-family you can use the CAR form.
If it's office, Industrial, Retail use AIR forms.