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All Forum Posts by: Patrick Menefee

Patrick Menefee has started 62 posts and replied 383 times.

Post: Charlotte, NC Monthly Friday Meetup - Feb 21

Patrick MenefeePosted
  • Real Estate Coach
  • Charlotte, NC
  • Posts 399
  • Votes 341

Join us for our monthly Friday meetup in the month of February! This will be the eighth that we've hosted at Angry Ale's, and we're excited to see the increasing interest and attendance!

We've had a core group who has shown up to the last few, and it's become a great opportunity to check in and keep everybody accountable for their progress month-to-month. Thank you all for showing up, and I'm excited to keep it going!

For those of you (such as myself) who travel or are unavailable during the week for the fantastic meetup that @Chris T. has put together, or just want another opportunity to meet like-minded investors, join us for some drinks and real estate talk at Angry Ale's bar in Montford!

There is a sectioned off room in the back right of the bar when you walk in and we will meet back there. Please RSVP so we get a feel for how many to expect, and tell your friends!

What: friendly, informal meetup to network with fellow investors, share your experiences, and have a few drinks

Where: Angry Ale's bar in Montford (near the Park Road Shopping Center), Friday December 20 @ 6:30pm

When: the third Friday of every month

Who: anyone interested in networking, talking real estate, or just enjoying a drink with good company

Please pass the word to any friends or family who may be interested, and I look forward to seeing you there!!

Post: Charlotte, NC Monthly Friday Meetup - Jan 17

Patrick MenefeePosted
  • Real Estate Coach
  • Charlotte, NC
  • Posts 399
  • Votes 341

Join us for our monthly Friday meetup in the month of January, the first of 2020! This will be the seventh that we've hosted at Angry Ale's, and we're excited to see the increasing interest and attendance!

We've had a core group who has shown up to the last few, and it's become a great opportunity to check in and keep everybody accountable for their progress month-to-month. Thank you all for showing up, and I'm excited to keep it going!

For those of you (such as myself) who travel or are unavailable during the week for the fantastic meetup that @Chris T. has put together, or just want another opportunity to meet like-minded investors, join us for some drinks and real estate talk at Angry Ale's bar in Montford!

There is a sectioned off room in the back right of the bar when you walk in and we will meet back there. Please RSVP so we get a feel for how many to expect, and tell your friends!

What: friendly, informal meetup to network with fellow investors, share your experiences, and have a few drinks

Where: Angry Ale's bar in Montford (near the Park Road Shopping Center), Friday December 20 @ 6:30pm

When: the third Friday of every month

Who: anyone interested in networking, talking real estate, or just enjoying a drink with good company

Please pass the word to any friends or family who may be interested, and I look forward to seeing you there!!

Post: Charlotte, NC Monthly Friday Meetup - Dec 20

Patrick MenefeePosted
  • Real Estate Coach
  • Charlotte, NC
  • Posts 399
  • Votes 341

Join us for our monthly Friday meetup in the month of December! This will be the sixth that we've hosted at Angry Ale's, and we're excited to see the increasing interest and attendance!

We've had a core group who has shown up to the last few, and it's become a great opportunity to check in and keep everybody accountable for their progress month-to-month. Thank you all for showing up, and I'm excited to keep it going!

For those of you (such as myself) who travel or are unavailable during the week for the fantastic meetup that @Chris T. has put together, or just want another opportunity to meet like-minded investors, join us for some drinks and real estate talk at Angry Ale's bar in Montford!

There is a sectioned off room in the back right of the bar when you walk in and we will meet back there. Please RSVP so we get a feel for how many to expect, and tell your friends!

What: friendly, informal meetup to network with fellow investors, share your experiences, and have a few drinks

Where: Angry Ale's bar in Montford (near the Park Road Shopping Center), Friday December 20 @ 6:30pm

When: the third Friday of every month

Who: anyone interested in networking, talking real estate, or just enjoying a drink with good company

Please pass the word to any friends or family who may be interested, and I look forward to seeing you there!!

Post: Are the 1% and 50% rule mathematically compatible?

Patrick MenefeePosted
  • Real Estate Coach
  • Charlotte, NC
  • Posts 399
  • Votes 341

@Jeff Ronningen great points. I was going as simple as possible-no return from paydown calculated, utilities are roughly grouped i to the 50% rule, etc.

Post: Are the 1% and 50% rule mathematically compatible?

Patrick MenefeePosted
  • Real Estate Coach
  • Charlotte, NC
  • Posts 399
  • Votes 341

While the 1% and 50% rules are widely used by people of varying levels of experience, they're just guidelines that aren't a hard and fast rule. I know in my market for example that 1% is insufficient, I need closer to 1.5% or higher. This got me thinking about these rules of thumb and I wondered if these two rules mathematically compatible? 

***let me add once again that I know these are not hard and fast rules. I wanted to do the math on them and understand the conditions of them a little deeper, so I figured I'd share the nerd math. It also gives us something to think about when looking at these rules and purchasing factors***

For those of you who are unfamiliar with the rules, let me recap: 

1) the 1% rule says that if rents are 1% of total price/value, you stand a good chance of cash flowing on an investment

2) the 50% rule says that you should plan for roughly 50% of rent going towards non-mortgage expenses

Are the rules mathematically compatible?

Let's take the example of a 30 year fixed mortgage at 5%, assuming 80% LTV (for those that don't know, meaning that the your loan is 80% of the value of the property). Whether this is on the purchase or after refi is irrelevant in this example as either way your mortgage payment and 1% rent estimate are both based on the same value.

On a $200,000 property, the 1% rule says that we should be able to cash flow at $2,000. The 50% rule says that we should plan for $1,000 in non-mortgage expenses. This leaves $1,000 to cover the mortgage payment and any profit. 

The mortgage payment on a $200k property at the terms above comes out to $859. This means that on a 5% loan using these rules, you should anticipate ~7% of your rent value to be profit ($141 at this price). If your interest rate exceeds 6.375% however, you now break even or have no profit.

THE VERDICT: at current rates, they are compatible; however if mortgage rates increase above 6.375%, the two rules are mathematically incompatible

Ok, that was a fun exercise. So what?

Most importantly, it tells us that we absolutely cannot leave 20% in the deal if we want even an 8% return ($141*12=$1,692/year profit, which is a 4.2% COCROI leaving 20% in). It tells us that we need to find a way to pull money out of the deal, or we need to look for a property that exceeds the 1% rule.

Quick rules of thumb to estimate off of are fantastic time-saving tools if used properly, but can have potentially disastrous financial consequences if taken as gospel without further analysis. I have a couple of recommendations for any new investors when using these rules, and ultimately when doing any type of analysis:

  1. Know your target COCROI going into your analysis. Pick whatever fits your investing goals, but think critically about it
  2. Adjust your assumptions as you get more information. For example, if you plan on investing in a neighborhood with an HOA, in a flood plain with much higher insurance, or in an area with extremely high taxes, the 50% rule will likely be too low and you need to relook your assumption
  3. THESE RULES ARE NOT GOSPEL!!! Use them to screen properties, and then do your own deep analysis to see if the numbers actually work out for you
  4. **I can't get the rest of these numbers to go away, sorry about the horrible formatting. Hope the fun little exercise helped someone!

    Post: 4 Unit to 6 unit regulations?! HELP

    Patrick MenefeePosted
    • Real Estate Coach
    • Charlotte, NC
    • Posts 399
    • Votes 341

    @James Baker as everyone else said, look into zoning. But regardless, it sounds like a great cash flow opportunity if you provide more info. It seems like you would potentially have to factor in a sprinkler system either way and from there have a couple of options:

    1. Rehab the other units (what’s the estimated cost?) and rent out all 6, bringing in ~$3,600 rent

    2. If you don’t have or don’t want to spend the cash, leave the other 2 units vacant and still collect ~$2,400 rent

    3. Figure out what the cap rate is and determine if you can refinance to pull cash out. Keep in mind that appraisal will be based off of NOI with 6 units rather than comparable sales, so having 2 vacant units will impact that

    Either way, I have a hard time seeing how you’d be unable to pull out enough to cover the cost of sprinklers and potentially rehab with a refinance at that amount of income.

    Finally, make sure you take into consideration the nuances of a commercial loan since it’s 6 units. Rates are a little higher, amortization period is shorter (usually no more than 20 years) which means higher monthly payment, and it’s typically either a balloon or variable rate after 3-5 years. Be sure you understand that and take it into account

    Post: Newbie introduction/educational material recommendations

    Patrick MenefeePosted
    • Real Estate Coach
    • Charlotte, NC
    • Posts 399
    • Votes 341

    @Robert Catapano Jr welcome! You’re getting started on a great journey. This is a little dependent on your needs/wants, but i found that the best starting point and catalyst for me was to dive into personal improvement to pay the foundation and balance that out with research on investing (wholesaling in your case)

    I started reading a few books like The Slight Edge and The Power of Habit, and they got me into a great routine that served as an excellent baseline for my business to take off as I layered technical knowledge on top of it.

    The BP Books are always a great resource as well, and one of your best bets will be networking. Go to meetups, meet wholesalers on here, figure out what people around you are doing. Wholesalers can be a dime a dozen, so if you’re going to start doing it figure out how to differentiate yourself and become the best damn wholesaler people know. Find out from others what works, what doesn’t, where to find deals, where to find buyers, and figure out how to stand out from the crowd.

    Best of luck! Looking forward to hearing more about your story

    Post: Charlotte, NC Monthly Friday Meetup - Nov 15

    Patrick MenefeePosted
    • Real Estate Coach
    • Charlotte, NC
    • Posts 399
    • Votes 341

    Just a reminder that we’re only a couple days away from our next meetup! Looking forward to seeing you all there, please RSVP or send a message if you plan on attending!

    Post: Charlotte Newbie - Where to start??????

    Patrick MenefeePosted
    • Real Estate Coach
    • Charlotte, NC
    • Posts 399
    • Votes 341

    @Andy Abrams @Janelle Straitiff sending you messages!

    Post: Cash Out Refi for an LLC financing:

    Patrick MenefeePosted
    • Real Estate Coach
    • Charlotte, NC
    • Posts 399
    • Votes 341

    @Dan Rivers would you mind sharing, either here or over PM, the lenders you found? I’m in Charlotte, NC and certainly interested in learning from your experience!