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All Forum Posts by: Kevin Somers

Kevin Somers has started 2 posts and replied 9 times.

Post: To Evict or not?

Kevin SomersPosted
  • Lawrenceburg, IN
  • Posts 9
  • Votes 3

Thanks for all of the information everyone.  This community is wonderful and I really appreciate it.  

This is what we decided to do: First, I messaged him and said that this one time, and this one time only, it's acceptable that he was compensated $20 for his work and essentially didn't pay the late fee.  I also said that this has no bearing on any future rent, and any future rent will still require a late fee to be paid.  

After talking to my business partner, we don't want a vacancy in Ohio in January.  We're planning on giving him the 30 day notice in February or March, haven't decided. 

Post: To Evict or not?

Kevin SomersPosted
  • Lawrenceburg, IN
  • Posts 9
  • Votes 3
Originally posted by @Nada Mohamed:

Ahaa, you did not mention in your original post that this is a month to month tenant. Perfect scenario, just give him notice, you don't even have to waste your time and/or money to evict.

Nada

 Just out of curiosity, is there a standard form?  Hamilton county provides standard forms for a lot of things here: https://www.courtclerk.org/mun_civil_forms.asp

I don't see anything in particular for a notice to end month to month.  

Post: To Evict or not?

Kevin SomersPosted
  • Lawrenceburg, IN
  • Posts 9
  • Votes 3
Originally posted by @Nada Mohamed:

Hi there,

He seems like a perfect candidate for eviction. There are two things that you would have to worry about though:

1. I am not sure about the court precedent/law in Indiana, but in Ohio, if you, the landlord has set a precedent for always or very often accepting late rent without any kind of notice or actual eviction procedure - then some judges will actually tell you you cannot evict him based on late rent since you have set a precedent for accepting late rent in the past that this tenant has come to rely on. 

2. Another issue is you accepted rent. In most states, if you accepted ANY portion of rent, you will generally have a very difficult time evicting the tenant. I can say with very high confidence that no judge will evict this tenant over $20.00. If you want to drop it this month, and then next month do not accept rent AT ALL, then post a three day notice the day after he is late you will have a better chance at getting him out. Goodluck!!

Nada

 Hi, yes this property is located in Ohio (Hamilton county).  

As far as #2, what is the difference between waiting next month until he's late and giving the 3 day notice, and giving him a notice tomorrow that we'll not be renewing his month to month lease in 30 days?  

Post: To Evict or not?

Kevin SomersPosted
  • Lawrenceburg, IN
  • Posts 9
  • Votes 3
Originally posted by @Kyle Godbout:

Evict! You can't accept rent unless all of it is there, including the late fees and send him the notice. You should do this every month, before the usual two weeks late payment is made. You need to put your firm foot down with this guy. Also, I would make sure to communicate a little via email or text, so you can have some physical evidence of his behavior. Evictions are not extremely expensive, and the outcome will be worth more than what you spend on it.

 Yes, I think I screwed up by not double checking and depositing the check without the late fee.  Now I'm pretty sure we've got to let him go.  But like others said, we can give him 30 days that we won't be renewing his month to month.  

Post: To Evict or not?

Kevin SomersPosted
  • Lawrenceburg, IN
  • Posts 9
  • Votes 3
Originally posted by @Alex Craig:

Tomorrow morning, the first thing I would do tomorrow is file for eviction on this bozo.  As it was said in the thread, he is controlling you.  I would never give my tenants my cell phone # where they can text me.  You should be receiving maintenance request via email and you should do the work instead of leaving it to him.  It sounds like you need some very strict procedures that you do not want to waiver off.  This guy will always be a paint in your a$$ and your life will be less stressful without this bottom feeder.  He sounds like a perfect candidate to run off your other tenants and some day sue you.  Even though I do not recommend texting, at least you have a written copy of what went down.  BTW, never have conversations about disputes with your tenants, always get it in writing.  He said she said does not stand up in court.

 The only reason my tenants have my number is that the vast majority of my tenants are elderly, and don't use email, so I gave all of the tenants my cell phone number.  I do agree with you, I'd much rather not.  But, I do have all of the text messages he's sent me as proof, and I do hope that would stand up in court.

Also, I told him numerous times to write down any issues and put it in the black box, to date, he's never done that.  The other tenants have, and we take care of it right away. 

Post: To Evict or not?

Kevin SomersPosted
  • Lawrenceburg, IN
  • Posts 9
  • Votes 3

So, we've got this one tenant that has always been a thorn in our side. He always pays a week or two late, although he always pays the late fee so it's not a big deal. But, and this is the key part, is that every time we come over there, there's something new that's broken. It's been doorknobs, toilet seats, door frame, we even had a plumber out to snake his bath tub because he said it was draining slow. After the plumber snaked it he installed the stopper (since there wasn't one before) and we wanted to make sure that it wouldn't get blocked up again. Well we were over there the other day to replace all the batteries in the smoke detectors and noticed that it had been removed...

Besides being rough on the apartment, the other tenants have told me that he's yelled at them numerous times, slammed doors right before they could get to him, etc. Anyway, I could go on and on about this guy.

Last month his kids are by our driveway pulling rocks off the retaining walls and throwing them with other neighborhood kids. We call the cops. After the cops leave he goes absolutely wild texting me. Long and short is that as a retaliation he says he's going to call the health board about mold in his bathroom. I tell him 1) None of the other tenants have any mold issues, nor have they ever, it's his responsibility to vent the room and clean the walls. and 2) I'll have someone come out and inspect it. So I have a company come out and inspect, ask them to write me a recommendation on what to do. They basically agree with me that it needs to be vented when getting showers, and that it needs to be cleaned regularly. They also suggested sealing the paint with something like Kilz. So off I go to pickup the Kilz, and I ask the tenant either A) when is a good time for me to do it or B) If you want to do it then you can do it whenever you want, I'll drop the materials off tomorrow. He says he'll do it, it's no problem, I drop the stuff off and that's that. Or so I thought.

This month he was late as usual on the rent, told him he was coming up on the last days possible to pay it. He asked how much we were taking off for rent, and yes, he worded it that way. I said rent is what it is, that we didn't have an agreement to take anything off, however, I am willing to give him a gift card as a happy holidays/thank you. He tells me to keep my gift card, don't ask him to do **** again.

I pick up the rent and deposit it. My business partner then notices there is no late fee on there (It's only $20, we need to bump that up). I shoot him a text and say 'Hey, John noticed there wasn't a late fee on the rent, put it in the black box tomorrow by 6pm so he can pick it up."

He responds back "Sorry, that was for painting the bathroom."

Then a couple minutes later he says "You want to give me a three day notice go ahead and then you can give me an eviction notice and I'll see you in court"

So now we're kind of in a pickle. My business partner says if we let him slide this time we can possible set a negative precedent on the late fee. Plus then it makes it seem like we're push overs. From my limited time investing and being a land lord I feel like there's ways to be more suave about this. Plus I've read stories about tenants wrecking the place on their way out just to "get even." What are your thoughts on this?

Would you evict? Why or why not.  

Dion, I like you and what you stand for.  

Post: Looking for a CPA in Cincinnati Ohio

Kevin SomersPosted
  • Lawrenceburg, IN
  • Posts 9
  • Votes 3
Originally posted by @Brandon Hall:

I'm sure you've seen me post about this before, but don't be afraid to go non-local. You will expose yourself to a wider pool of expertise which is critical for real estate investors.

Many of us service clients all over the US and even world. We utilize various forms of technology to collaborate seamlessly with our clients and rarely have issues.

If you are set on using someone local, search the BP forums for investors local to you and reach out to ask for a referral. Or join a local FaceBook/ REIA group.

Hope this helps!

Brandon,

Thanks for the idea.  I actually posted this after reading your bigger pockets post on the blog section about things to do for your CPA.  So thanks for the inspiration and thanks for the idea.  Unfortunately my business partner is computer illiterate and I'm quite confident if I even mentioned scanning and emailing documents to a CPA out of state that he would be upset.

Tim,

Thank you for the recommendation, that's exactly the type of CPA that I'm looking for--a CPA that also invests in real estate.  Thank you so much!

Post: Looking for a CPA in Cincinnati Ohio

Kevin SomersPosted
  • Lawrenceburg, IN
  • Posts 9
  • Votes 3

My business partner and I purchased our first 4 family about 9 months ago, we're getting ready to close on our second one next month.  We need a good CPA in the Cincinnati Ohio area.  Thank you so much for your recommendations!