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All Forum Posts by: Justin B.

Justin B. has started 19 posts and replied 651 times.

Post: 170% Cash on Cash Return! THAT JUST HAPPENED!

Justin B.Posted
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  • Gaithersburg, MD
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Originally posted by @John Thedford:

I see a problem with the numbers as well. Until you calculate vacancies, maintenance, CapEx, etc you don't have a true picture of your returns. Also, as other mentioned, what about closing costs?

There is no problem with the numbers. This is an SFR, so when it goes vacant, it's 100% vacant. Again, I could put an estimate of vacancy but I chose not to because it's currently rented and not vacant. When I first evaluate properties (what I call my 5 minute analysis), I use 10% as a vacancy rate, $50/month per $1,000/month rent (Over the years I've found that to be very accurate). All the other expenses I have (Taxes, Insurance, PM) are pretty easy to get accurate up front. Even at that, the numbers still blow me away.

Post: 170% Cash on Cash Return! THAT JUST HAPPENED!

Justin B.Posted
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Originally posted by @Tariq B.:

Good job! But I'll do you one better. ;-)  Purchase price 29,000 put 4,000 into it. So $33,000 all together.

Monthly rent: $1200 

You are correct.  that is better.  As good as mine is, I realize there are even better ones out there and that's what we're on the hunt to find.

Post: 170% Cash on Cash Return! THAT JUST HAPPENED!

Justin B.Posted
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Originally posted by @Andraise Scott:

@Justin B., way to go man!  Not only for this incredible deal but for the nine others as wel! I too am VERY interested in the 5% down though.  All I keep hearing from lenders Is 20% down for investment properties.  If you or anyone else has a lead on 5%, 10% or even 15% money I would love to hear it!  Please do share if you would.

I truly believe it's the relationship with the bank.  Not only did we have previous personal relationships with this bank (personal loans like car/house over the years), but we now have 5 years of paying every time on time, every month (through automatic withdrawal).  Last year we went about 9 months without buying a property and the bank was actually calling us wanting to know when we were going to buy again.  We also send out balance sheet and P&L to the bank each year so they can see for themselves that we are buying profitable properties.  We didn't start out at 5% down.  We had to earn it.  We started out just like you're seeing.

Post: 170% Cash on Cash Return! THAT JUST HAPPENED!

Justin B.Posted
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Originally posted by @Jay Hinrichs:

@Matt Devincenzo

  not sure we are all on the same page.. the majority of distressed asset sell for cash.

at least in my circles

This is not what I'd call a distressed asset. However there are plenty of homes on the REO list that are in horrible condition, priced extremely low that I'm sure the bank wouldn't finance. There are probably 100 SFR's on the REO list each time we get it (a lot of it is the same from month to month) but we've found 3 in the past 6 months that were not only in great shape, but were already rented out and we just took it over.

Post: 170% Cash on Cash Return! THAT JUST HAPPENED!

Justin B.Posted
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  • Gaithersburg, MD
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Originally posted by @Rhondalette W.:

Sounds great! Share with the newbies how to access the bank REOs and how you make the offer. 

Just call the bank and ask for their REO list. You might get bounced around until you hit the right person, but they e-mail it to us monthly without us even having to ask anymore.

Post: 170% Cash on Cash Return! THAT JUST HAPPENED!

Justin B.Posted
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Originally posted by @Stephen Moore:

howd u get an REO with only putting down only 5% unless I'm reading it wrong? All REOs are cash only no financing

Some other people may have covered this too, but the statement "all REO's are cash only" is just not true. I've bought 3 REO's now and actually paid 0% down (100% financing) on the first 2).

Post: 170% Cash on Cash Return! THAT JUST HAPPENED!

Justin B.Posted
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  • Gaithersburg, MD
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Originally posted by @Sharad M.:

@Justin B.

Congrats on your deal!

You cash on cash return that you have is your best case scenario. You aren't factoring for any repairs and maintenance or any vacancies. You don't have any vacancy or any repairs right now, but it's only a matter of time that you will have those expenses and it's better to factor for those expenses.

It's great that you are able to get a loan with no closing cost and 5% down payment.

I agree.  It is best case scenario, but the house is already rented and has been by the same woman for 5 years.  Unfortunately her credit keeps her from qualifying for a loan to buy the house herself.  So yea, she pays $750/month in rent but the bank won't approve her for a loan that would be ~$400/month with insurance and property taxes all in.  It's messed up but that's the world we live in.  Again, once you get your money back, the Cash on Cash Return doesn't really have much value.  I just think it's interesting than in ~7 months, we'll have all our cash back.  That's the point I'm trying to make.  I'm sure over time their will be maintenance fees.  Also, keep in mind, these numbers are about 3x what our "goal" is.  so even adding 10 or 20% vacancy and $50-$100/month in maintenance (which is high), the numbers are still pretty awesome.

Post: 170% Cash on Cash Return! THAT JUST HAPPENED!

Justin B.Posted
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Originally posted by @Jay Hinrichs:

@Justin B.

  by MS do you mean Mississippi ?  or is it by were you live in Maryland .. did the bank that owned it finance it for you with these special terms ?

Yes, Mississippi.  a $37k house here in Maryland would definitely something I have 0 interest in :)

Post: 170% Cash on Cash Return! THAT JUST HAPPENED!

Justin B.Posted
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  • Gaithersburg, MD
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Originally posted by @Gautam Venkatesan:

What kind of investor loan did you get for only 5% downpayment?

It's a commercial loan in the LLC's name. We do have to personally guarantee the loan. Our bank is a smaller bank that only operates in Mississippi and they are just willing to do it based on our history.

Post: 170% Cash on Cash Return! THAT JUST HAPPENED!

Justin B.Posted
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  • Gaithersburg, MD
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Originally posted by @Wayne Brooks:

5% down on a rental, and no closing costs?

Closing costs are a few hundred bucks and they are calculated.  For all those asking about the 5% down, yes, 5% down is what we typically get.  When we first started out we were paying 15-20% down, but we have worked our way to 5% down.  We just asked for it and got it starting with about our 5th or 6th property.