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All Forum Posts by: Richie Martin

Richie Martin has started 2 posts and replied 16 times.

Post: When is enough ,engough - Rehab Cost?

Richie MartinPosted
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  • Newport News VA Hampton VA Norfolk VA Portsmouth VA, Suffolk VA
  • Posts 16
  • Votes 3

I appreciate the feedback and insight. Yes, experince, creative insight and digilence is all apart of the puzzel!

Post: When is enough ,engough - Rehab Cost?

Richie MartinPosted
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  • Newport News VA Hampton VA Norfolk VA Portsmouth VA, Suffolk VA
  • Posts 16
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Quote from @David Atis:

Great question, Richie. One way to determine when enough is enough is to start with your end goal: Are you flipping or holding long term? For flips, you want to ensure your rehab budget aligns with your target after repair value and leaves room for profit after all costs. For rentals, determine whether the rehab will increase rent, reduce maintenance, or boost long term value.

A good rule of thumb is if a repair doesn't increase value, rentability, or efficiency, it might not be worth it. It’s easy to over-improve a property beyond what the local market supports, especially if emotions creep in. Always weigh cost vs. return. Have a clear exit strategy to guide your decisions.

How are you planning to use the property?

Good formula... Thanks...

Post: When is enough ,engough - Rehab Cost?

Richie MartinPosted
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  • Newport News VA Hampton VA Norfolk VA Portsmouth VA, Suffolk VA
  • Posts 16
  • Votes 3
Quote from @Joe Villeneuve:

Determine ahead of time what rehab you plan on doing for every property.  My list is:  Floors, painting, kitchen,...and nothing else.  That means if the property needs more than that, I don't buy it.  The list of "do's" is based primarily on costs I can control, and rehab I will get returns on.  Most everything else, is not controllable, and that means the cost is also not controllable.


 Thank you..

Post: When is enough ,engough - Rehab Cost?

Richie MartinPosted
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  • Newport News VA Hampton VA Norfolk VA Portsmouth VA, Suffolk VA
  • Posts 16
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Quote from @Ghassan Jabali:

Hello Richie,

I hope you're doing great. There is a lot of different perspectives and strategies in deciding how much you plan on putting into a property to renovate and rehab it compared to how much you expect to earn to cover costs for the rehab, closing fees, and gain a profit. It may ultimately depend on how much value and profit you expect to gain from those rehabs. As an example, renovating costs may be $10,000 to increase the property value by $20,000, with $5,000 in closing and other costs, could justify the time and cost if your goal is to make $5,000 profit if that is what you are aiming for. Compared to $40,000 to add $100,000 of value could give you a larger windfall. It may all depend on hard costs and projected profit to see if it is worth it or not. Either way, we definitely recommend doing renovations in some kind of entity structure, such as an LLC or Corporation for asset protection and tax mitigation.

Note: This information is for educational and informational purposes only and does not constitute legal, tax, financial, or investment advice. No attorney-client, fiduciary, or professional relationship is established through this communication.


 Thank you for the feedback and advice...

Post: When is enough ,engough - Rehab Cost?

Richie MartinPosted
  • Investor
  • Newport News VA Hampton VA Norfolk VA Portsmouth VA, Suffolk VA
  • Posts 16
  • Votes 3
Quote from @David Atis:

Great question, Richie. One way to determine when enough is enough is to start with your end goal: Are you flipping or holding long term? For flips, you want to ensure your rehab budget aligns with your target after repair value and leaves room for profit after all costs. For rentals, determine whether the rehab will increase rent, reduce maintenance, or boost long term value.

A good rule of thumb is if a repair doesn't increase value, rentability, or efficiency, it might not be worth it. It’s easy to over-improve a property beyond what the local market supports, especially if emotions creep in. Always weigh cost vs. return. Have a clear exit strategy to guide your decisions.

How are you planning to use the property?


Initally Flip...

Post: When is enough ,engough - Rehab Cost?

Richie MartinPosted
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  • Newport News VA Hampton VA Norfolk VA Portsmouth VA, Suffolk VA
  • Posts 16
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I wanted to know if how to determine when enough is enough for rehab cost to a property?

Post: Scope of work

Richie MartinPosted
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  • Newport News VA Hampton VA Norfolk VA Portsmouth VA, Suffolk VA
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Quote from @Bruce Woodruff:

SOWs are so job specfic, it's tough to have a 'one-size-fits-all'. PM me and I'll send ya one I used to use....


 Can you send me a SOW  template you use to use?

Post: My offer - To a seller

Richie MartinPosted
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  • Newport News VA Hampton VA Norfolk VA Portsmouth VA, Suffolk VA
  • Posts 16
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Quote from @Jaycee Greene:
Quote from @Richie Martin:
Quote from @Jaycee Greene:
Quote from @Richie Martin:
Quote from @Jaycee Greene:
Quote from @Richie Martin:
Quote from @Laura Navaquin:
Quote from @Jaycee Greene:

Hey @Richie Martin, welcome to the BP Forum! Nope, take the ARV and times it by 70% and THEN subtract the rehab costs. So, for a $200k ARV that needs $25k in rehab, it would be 200*0.7=140-25. So, $115k.

For the algebra nerds, it's: MAO = (0.70 * ARV) - Rehab. FYI, the holding costs are built into the 70% discount factor.


 Perfectly put! So much clearer than I. 


Great. I was doing it correctly ARV *70% =MAO if I read your explanation correctly..

This threw me off: MAO = (0.70 * ARV) - Rehab... If the rehab is already part of the ARV why subtract it again?

This is what I have been using:

Building
Purchase Price $120,000
(+) Renovation Costs 62,000
(+) Holding Costs 28,040
(+) Other Fees --
Total Renovation Cost $90,040
Property Purchase Price $120,000
(+) Value of Renovations 90,040
After-Repair Value (ARV) $210,040
Maximum Allowable Offer (MAO) 70.0% $56,988

@Richie Martin No, that's not correct. The rehab is not part of the ARV.

Can you please tell me your version of what equates to ARV if I plan to flip the property?

@Richie Martin The ARV is what you think you can sell the property for after the rehab.


Isnt there a formula to dervive ARV or are we using the comps to get the ARV *.70 - rehab cost?

@Richie Martin I'm not aware of a true "formula", other than how much you think you can increase the value from your rehab. You could assume that what you spend on rehab should translate into 20% higher value at the end. So, on a $50k rehab, you'd expect the value of the property to increase by $60k. But in the end, the "true" ARV is what someone will be it for (or what it'll appraise for if you're doing a refi).

That makes sense. use the comps to develop a ARV but to get a MAO to ensure you make a profit by knowing your break even points isnt the MAO what you would make your offer to buy the property so you can rehab it?

Post: My offer - To a seller

Richie MartinPosted
  • Investor
  • Newport News VA Hampton VA Norfolk VA Portsmouth VA, Suffolk VA
  • Posts 16
  • Votes 3
Quote from @Jaycee Greene:
Quote from @Richie Martin:
Quote from @Jaycee Greene:
Quote from @Richie Martin:
Quote from @Laura Navaquin:
Quote from @Jaycee Greene:

Hey @Richie Martin, welcome to the BP Forum! Nope, take the ARV and times it by 70% and THEN subtract the rehab costs. So, for a $200k ARV that needs $25k in rehab, it would be 200*0.7=140-25. So, $115k.

For the algebra nerds, it's: MAO = (0.70 * ARV) - Rehab. FYI, the holding costs are built into the 70% discount factor.


 Perfectly put! So much clearer than I. 


Great. I was doing it correctly ARV *70% =MAO if I read your explanation correctly..

This threw me off: MAO = (0.70 * ARV) - Rehab... If the rehab is already part of the ARV why subtract it again?

This is what I have been using:

Building
Purchase Price $120,000
(+) Renovation Costs 62,000
(+) Holding Costs 28,040
(+) Other Fees --
Total Renovation Cost $90,040
Property Purchase Price $120,000
(+) Value of Renovations 90,040
After-Repair Value (ARV) $210,040
Maximum Allowable Offer (MAO) 70.0% $56,988

@Richie Martin No, that's not correct. The rehab is not part of the ARV.

Can you please tell me your version of what equates to ARV if I plan to flip the property?

@Richie Martin The ARV is what you think you can sell the property for after the rehab.


Isnt there a formula to dervive ARV or are we using the comps to get the ARV *.70 - rehab cost?

Post: My offer - To a seller

Richie MartinPosted
  • Investor
  • Newport News VA Hampton VA Norfolk VA Portsmouth VA, Suffolk VA
  • Posts 16
  • Votes 3
Quote from @Jaycee Greene:
Quote from @Richie Martin:
Quote from @Laura Navaquin:
Quote from @Jaycee Greene:

Hey @Richie Martin, welcome to the BP Forum! Nope, take the ARV and times it by 70% and THEN subtract the rehab costs. So, for a $200k ARV that needs $25k in rehab, it would be 200*0.7=140-25. So, $115k.

For the algebra nerds, it's: MAO = (0.70 * ARV) - Rehab. FYI, the holding costs are built into the 70% discount factor.


 Perfectly put! So much clearer than I. 


Great. I was doing it correctly ARV *70% =MAO if I read your explanation correctly..

This threw me off: MAO = (0.70 * ARV) - Rehab... If the rehab is already part of the ARV why subtract it again?

This is what I have been using:

Building
Purchase Price $120,000
(+) Renovation Costs 62,000
(+) Holding Costs 28,040
(+) Other Fees --
Total Renovation Cost $90,040
Property Purchase Price $120,000
(+) Value of Renovations 90,040
After-Repair Value (ARV) $210,040
Maximum Allowable Offer (MAO) 70.0% $56,988

@Richie Martin No, that's not correct. The rehab is not part of the ARV.

Can you please tell me your version of what equates to ARV if I plan to flip the property?