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All Forum Posts by: Richie Martin

Richie Martin has started 3 posts and replied 18 times.

Post: My offer - To a seller

Richie MartinPosted
  • Investor
  • Newport News VA Hampton VA Norfolk VA Portsmouth VA, Suffolk VA
  • Posts 18
  • Votes 4
Quote from @Jaycee Greene:
Quote from @Richie Martin:
Quote from @Jaycee Greene:
Quote from @Richie Martin:
Quote from @Laura Navaquin:
Quote from @Jaycee Greene:

Hey @Richie Martin, welcome to the BP Forum! Nope, take the ARV and times it by 70% and THEN subtract the rehab costs. So, for a $200k ARV that needs $25k in rehab, it would be 200*0.7=140-25. So, $115k.

For the algebra nerds, it's: MAO = (0.70 * ARV) - Rehab. FYI, the holding costs are built into the 70% discount factor.


 Perfectly put! So much clearer than I. 


Great. I was doing it correctly ARV *70% =MAO if I read your explanation correctly..

This threw me off: MAO = (0.70 * ARV) - Rehab... If the rehab is already part of the ARV why subtract it again?

This is what I have been using:

Building
Purchase Price $120,000
(+) Renovation Costs 62,000
(+) Holding Costs 28,040
(+) Other Fees --
Total Renovation Cost $90,040
Property Purchase Price $120,000
(+) Value of Renovations 90,040
After-Repair Value (ARV) $210,040
Maximum Allowable Offer (MAO) 70.0% $56,988

@Richie Martin No, that's not correct. The rehab is not part of the ARV.

Can you please tell me your version of what equates to ARV if I plan to flip the property?

@Richie Martin The ARV is what you think you can sell the property for after the rehab.


Isnt there a formula to dervive ARV or are we using the comps to get the ARV *.70 - rehab cost?

Post: My offer - To a seller

Richie MartinPosted
  • Investor
  • Newport News VA Hampton VA Norfolk VA Portsmouth VA, Suffolk VA
  • Posts 18
  • Votes 4
Quote from @Jaycee Greene:
Quote from @Richie Martin:
Quote from @Laura Navaquin:
Quote from @Jaycee Greene:

Hey @Richie Martin, welcome to the BP Forum! Nope, take the ARV and times it by 70% and THEN subtract the rehab costs. So, for a $200k ARV that needs $25k in rehab, it would be 200*0.7=140-25. So, $115k.

For the algebra nerds, it's: MAO = (0.70 * ARV) - Rehab. FYI, the holding costs are built into the 70% discount factor.


 Perfectly put! So much clearer than I. 


Great. I was doing it correctly ARV *70% =MAO if I read your explanation correctly..

This threw me off: MAO = (0.70 * ARV) - Rehab... If the rehab is already part of the ARV why subtract it again?

This is what I have been using:

Building
Purchase Price $120,000
(+) Renovation Costs 62,000
(+) Holding Costs 28,040
(+) Other Fees --
Total Renovation Cost $90,040
Property Purchase Price $120,000
(+) Value of Renovations 90,040
After-Repair Value (ARV) $210,040
Maximum Allowable Offer (MAO) 70.0% $56,988

@Richie Martin No, that's not correct. The rehab is not part of the ARV.

Can you please tell me your version of what equates to ARV if I plan to flip the property?

Post: My offer - To a seller

Richie MartinPosted
  • Investor
  • Newport News VA Hampton VA Norfolk VA Portsmouth VA, Suffolk VA
  • Posts 18
  • Votes 4
Quote from @Jaycee Greene:
Quote from @Laura Navaquin:

Hi Richie,

Great question! To clarify, the MAO (Maximum Allowable Offer) is indeed the price at which you should aim to offer for the property. Here's a breakdown of the process:

  1. ARV (After Repair Value): This is the estimated value of the property after it's been fully renovated.

  2. Purchase Price + Renovation Costs + Holding Costs: These are the costs involved in acquiring and improving the property. Make sure to include all potential expenses for repairs and the time it may take to sell or refinance the property.

  3. Multiply by 70%: This percentage helps account for your profit margin, unexpected expenses, and ensures you leave room for a reasonable return on investment (ROI).

So, once you've calculated your ARV and added in your purchase, renovation, and holding costs, multiplying by 70% will give you the MAO, the maximum price you should offer for the property to stay within profitable margins.

In essence, your MAO is the highest amount you should be willing to pay for the property, factoring in all your costs and desired profit.

I hope this clears things up! Let me know if you need further clarification or help with the numbers. I also have a spreadsheet I can send you that I use to run numbers on every offer I make. 

Best regards,
Laura

@Richie Martin The ARV is exactly what @Laura Navaquin explains in #1. 

Are you planning to sell the property after the rehab or are you going to keep it and rent it out?


 Sell it?

Post: My offer - To a seller

Richie MartinPosted
  • Investor
  • Newport News VA Hampton VA Norfolk VA Portsmouth VA, Suffolk VA
  • Posts 18
  • Votes 4
Quote from @Richie Martin:
Quote from @Laura Navaquin:
Quote from @Jaycee Greene:

Hey @Richie Martin, welcome to the BP Forum! Nope, take the ARV and times it by 70% and THEN subtract the rehab costs. So, for a $200k ARV that needs $25k in rehab, it would be 200*0.7=140-25. So, $115k.

For the algebra nerds, it's: MAO = (0.70 * ARV) - Rehab. FYI, the holding costs are built into the 70% discount factor.


 Perfectly put! So much clearer than I. 


Great. I was doing it correctly ARV *70% =MAO if I read your explanation correctly..

This threw me off: MAO = (0.70 * ARV) - Rehab... If the rehab is already part of the ARV why subtract it again?

This is what I have been using:

Building
Purchase Price $120,000
(+) Renovation Costs 62,000
(+) Holding Costs 28,040
(+) Other Fees --
Total Renovation Cost $90,040
Property Purchase Price $120,000
(+) Value of Renovations 90,040
After-Repair Value (ARV) $210,040
Maximum Allowable Offer (MAO) 70.0% $56,988

 Is that correct?

Post: My offer - To a seller

Richie MartinPosted
  • Investor
  • Newport News VA Hampton VA Norfolk VA Portsmouth VA, Suffolk VA
  • Posts 18
  • Votes 4
Quote from @Laura Navaquin:
Quote from @Jaycee Greene:

Hey @Richie Martin, welcome to the BP Forum! Nope, take the ARV and times it by 70% and THEN subtract the rehab costs. So, for a $200k ARV that needs $25k in rehab, it would be 200*0.7=140-25. So, $115k.

For the algebra nerds, it's: MAO = (0.70 * ARV) - Rehab. FYI, the holding costs are built into the 70% discount factor.


 Perfectly put! So much clearer than I. 


Great. I was doing it correctly ARV *70% =MAO if I read your explanation correctly..

This threw me off: MAO = (0.70 * ARV) - Rehab... If the rehab is already part of the ARV why subtract it again?

This is what I have been using:

Building
Purchase Price $120,000
(+) Renovation Costs 62,000
(+) Holding Costs 28,040
(+) Other Fees --
Total Renovation Cost $90,040
Property Purchase Price $120,000
(+) Value of Renovations 90,040
After-Repair Value (ARV) $210,040
Maximum Allowable Offer (MAO) 70.0% $56,988

Post: My offer - To a seller

Richie MartinPosted
  • Investor
  • Newport News VA Hampton VA Norfolk VA Portsmouth VA, Suffolk VA
  • Posts 18
  • Votes 4

Wait a minute- To get my ARV I add my renovation cost + Holding cost to my purchase cost to get ARV. is that correct?

Post: My offer - To a seller

Richie MartinPosted
  • Investor
  • Newport News VA Hampton VA Norfolk VA Portsmouth VA, Suffolk VA
  • Posts 18
  • Votes 4

Thank you so much. That clears up a great deal. I was adding the holding cost to make up my ARV.

Post: My offer - To a seller

Richie MartinPosted
  • Investor
  • Newport News VA Hampton VA Norfolk VA Portsmouth VA, Suffolk VA
  • Posts 18
  • Votes 4

Im a little confused on what my offer price should be after I get my ARV (Purch + Renov + Holding Cost) then X 70% = MAO

Shouldmy MAO be what I offer for the property to buy the property?