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All Forum Posts by: FR W.

FR W. has started 5 posts and replied 72 times.

Quote from @Jim K.:
Quote from @FR W.:

The level of professionalism is astounding (and childish).  Name calling... insults.  Are you the only one who can have an opinion?  Or an idea?  Or a point of view?  

And yet, Jonathan's not hiding his identity behind initials and no picture.
I don't typically respond to these types of comments, simply because they are so funny and childish, but, I'll make your weekend.  FYI, I'm not hiding.  Who are you, anyway?  His spokesperson?  Oh, yes, you're one of the ones who are here to to applaud everything he does so he doesn't go after YOU.  Have an amazing weekend, dear!  :)  THE END. That means, #YouAreDismissed.
Quote from @Dan H.:
Quote from @Jonathan Greene:
Quote from @Mike Dymski:

Unfortunately, most of the questions asked illustrate little to no advance work (#1 and #4).  That is not a newbie, it's a neverbie.  I'm not saying this to be condescending.  It's just reality...if we can't read a couple of books, listen to podcasts, or perform basic searches in advance and then ask better questions, there is no way in heck we are going to buy a property.  

Lack of available information is not what prevents us from doing stuff...information is everywhere (school, books, podcasts, webinars, forums).  Lack of persistence/effort/need does.

“If more information was the answer, then we'd all be billionaires with perfect abs.”
― Derek Sivers


I've always said the worst question a real estate investor can get from someone looking to invest is, "How do I become a real estate investor?" This shows you want the shortest short-cut and don't want to do any work. Also, you will never do what we tell you to do because it's hard, not easy, so...

My son who 1) is not stupid, he is graduating from UCSB next month 2) has been around my rentals and me his entire life 3) in high school had a fairly successful handyman business with a dozen part-time employees, indicated he wanted to be a real estate investor.   I asked what that meant and he said like you do.  I asked what he thought I do and he indicated you buy, fix up, and rent units.  I asked how he was going to purchase a property.  He had no idea what was required.  He did not know about low cost options or raising money.  He knew little of loans.  I told him if he thought Cutco sales was difficult he was in for an awakening trying to raise money without a track record of success.  I asked what he knew about local LL laws and more incorrect than correct info was his response. 

To be a successful RE investor requires a fair amount of knowledge.  I see absurd maintenance/cap ex numbers from a majority of RE investors (even those with modest experience).  I seldom see new investors that understand finance options available and the pros/cons of each.  Very few newbie investors are aware of value add opportunities other than rehabs.   Many newbies do not do basic underwriting.   If rent is greater than PITI, they believe they have a cash flow positive property.  

I recognize there is a lot to learn to being a successful RE investor (or in recent times they can get lucky due to a crazy RE market).  I, therefore, take no offense at the question but I also realize there is no way I can answer the question for them.  There are many RE books that usually cover a single RE investment concept.  There is no way anyone can answer the question without simply referencing many sources of information.  

I we were all newbies at some time. Most of the mistakes above I made. I did no underwriting. I did not know of BRRRR but did my first few brrrrs before I knew there was a name for it. House hacking was owning with roommates. I had no concept of actual maintenance/cap ex costs. Value add was paint, flooring and a little gardening (as though that would add much value). I had no idea of effort required on a brrrr.

today I had a tenant claim I had to give him 3 months notice (I gave him 2 months notice but was only required to give one month notice).  It is important to know the laws as tenants will say anything they desire is the law. 

I want to be tolerant of newbies, even those that appeared to put forth no significant effort to self educate.  I recognize there is a lot to know. Being tolerant is not difficult. 

Thanks, Dan.  Tolerance is not hard... if doing your part by making the world a better place is a priority for you :)
Quote from @Jonathan Greene:
Quote from @Kevin S.:
Quote from @Jonathan Greene:
Quote from @Kevin S.:
Quote from @Jonathan Greene:
Quote from @Kevin S.:

@David Dachtera

A well balanced response.  You took the time to dig deeper and come up with more plausible explanation than just shining 'more' negative light on newbies.  More respect to you.  

Newbies are newbies for a reason.  Yes, some will stay newbies and some will move up.  


I don't read anything negative in the original post aginst newbies. It's there to help people. There are good newbies who try and learn and a plethora of bad newbies who are just being time sucks and lazy. It's easy to find good newbies, but if they all can take the tips to help them get better answers, that was the point.


 I don't disagree with things you posted but you certainly grouped all newbies together for one.

"Asking for a mentor without having anything to give.  This is running rampant".  On a forum such as this where hundreds (?)of members are joining weekly or monthly, maybe thousands, a few dozens newbies asking for help on weekly basis may seem like it is running "rampant".  Or is it?

True, newbies sometimes don't realize what is expected of them and they have to be nudged or like one post mentioned some truly don't know how to navigate this forum yet.

You don't read anything negative?  Is there anything positive?  

The truly gracious seasoned members just ignore the newbies (uninformed post or whatever adjective you want to attach) giving them space and time to grow.  They don't complain instead choose to answer if and when they feel like they want to help. 

Then the truly, truly, truly gracious members neither complain nor expect anything in return for their help.  


You are the problem. How long have you been here? Some of us have been here for more than 10 years so we know what is still running rampant and what is not. You are proving the post in spades by your reaction. Is there anything positive? The post is to help newbies not step in the mud, which gets them no responses.

I also find it hilarious that you are intimating that I am not gracious. As if I should thank every newbie for gracing the forums. I don't work for BiggerPockets. I've been investing for more than 30 years and spend time in here to help people. Fragile people, like yourself, can only see the lens through their own self-worth.


 So that's it.  You are bigger and better than others.  And you are supposed to be a mentor?  I found a mentor here on BP and he certainly doesn't display such arrogance.  Your post is not about newbies.  It is all about you.  It's about how much better you are, how much longer you been here, your self worth is better than others.  You are so good you are able to help others.  

You clearly wrote in your post about getting something in return for helping.  Is that helping?  I am sure you did in the past and still do but your complaining an condescending tone about newbies is stark and glaring in your post.  You are using your good deed of past to justify your condescending post.  The fact that you find things "hilarious" is your arrogance on display.  Obviously the graciousness has hit a nerve.

Newbies are fragile, that I admit.  And you don't need to thank them for gracing this forum.  Just thank them for being a punching bag. Give you something to write about and feel good about yourself.  Using 'helping' as an excuse to write what you wrote doesn't hide what's (and who's) behind it.  I am sticking my neck out for newbies.  Then again, what do I know.  

I am the problem.  You been here longer.  You are the one helping people.  You get to decide what's hilarious, what 's not.  I am the fragile one.  And surely, my self worth is far below yours. More power to you.   


Get. Some. Help.

Re-read the original post.

Can't wait to hear how successful you are with that level of fragility.


The level of professionalism is astounding (and childish).  Name calling... insults.  Are you the only one who can have an opinion?  Or an idea?  Or a point of view?  

Quote from @Kevin S.:

@FR W.

Jonathan expects others to read his long post but responding yours' with 'TLDR'.  


I know that mine was read :)

Quote from @FR W.:
Quote from @Kevin S.:
Quote from @FR W.:

I'm not sure why you posted F R A G I L E, but "do you" whatever it means. 

"You" took offense to what I said clearly since you came back and began your post with F R A G I L E.  I could have started this reply with C H I L D I S H but I didn't.  So, moving on. 

Those of you who have put yourselves on this pedestal because you spend so much time here posting and leaving clapback comments (that was your word, right?), that you've racked up so many votes from those who may not necessarily agree with what you've said, but are too afraid to challenge or add a different view of what you said, are most often the problem.  Your response to my take on your post is a perfect example.  I wasn't negating your post, I was only offering a different view... one that too many face and feel, yet one that not many will speak up on, again, because there are those with "bully" syndrome and this superiority complex who shut them down every time they ask a question. 

You're right, what some call business, I might find rude, because I don't think that there is EVER A TIME OR PLACE FOR RUDE. But there's always, always, always, time to HELP someone who needs it.

And those new investors asking for assistance, maybe they won't see your post with all that "helpful advice" as you call it, because you've posted it in one place - maybe they'll get on here and will be so overwhelmed at first, that they just won't know where to start;  maybe they won't know to jump on here and start searching; maybe they won't know that they have to come to the table with an offer of some kind of help TO GET HELP FIRST (by the way, if you're new and reading this, please know that everyone out there doesn't live in the land of, "If you want my help and advice, what will you do for me?" world - some people live genuinely in service to others and they want to help, without wanting anything in return); maybe the new investor won't know the right questions to ask or how much information they should have, or even HOW to formulate that information into a question worthy of "your" response.

So, I will repeat what I said initially, in case the folks in the back didn't see it the first time:  
Whether asking a question as a new investor or answering as a seasoned
investor, ALWAYS lead with kindness. Being offended or taken aback by
someone's rude response, is not a sign of "fragility," it says that you
are one who would never respond so rudely to someone's simple question.
Stepping into these waters is already an intimidating process. Please
be mindful of the way you respond to questions from those who are not as
seasoned as you might be. Your response just might be the final straw
in someone's attempt to change their life for the better by doing what
others have successfully done before. Lead with kindness. Don't hide
behind a rude response as a way of helping, because you're not. What
you're doing in that moment is ensuring that the person asking the
question won't ask another... and that's not what we want. We're here
to help... not hurt or hinder.

Your wait is over...


 FRW, whoever you are you need to take the mentorship position.  Honestly.  Couldn't have said it better.  Somehow I get this feeling your response will not be well taken by the original contributor.  Just a hunch... 


:)


Kevin, I posted a nice and more detailed response for you here but what do you know, it mysteriously disappeared.  Thanks for your kind words.  Keep standing up for the underdog.  Somebody's got to do it :)
Quote from @Kevin S.:
Quote from @FR W.:

I'm not sure why you posted F R A G I L E, but "do you" whatever it means. 

"You" took offense to what I said clearly since you came back and began your post with F R A G I L E.  I could have started this reply with C H I L D I S H but I didn't.  So, moving on. 

Those of you who have put yourselves on this pedestal because you spend so much time here posting and leaving clapback comments (that was your word, right?), that you've racked up so many votes from those who may not necessarily agree with what you've said, but are too afraid to challenge or add a different view of what you said, are most often the problem.  Your response to my take on your post is a perfect example.  I wasn't negating your post, I was only offering a different view... one that too many face and feel, yet one that not many will speak up on, again, because there are those with "bully" syndrome and this superiority complex who shut them down every time they ask a question. 

You're right, what some call business, I might find rude, because I don't think that there is EVER A TIME OR PLACE FOR RUDE. But there's always, always, always, time to HELP someone who needs it.

And those new investors asking for assistance, maybe they won't see your post with all that "helpful advice" as you call it, because you've posted it in one place - maybe they'll get on here and will be so overwhelmed at first, that they just won't know where to start;  maybe they won't know to jump on here and start searching; maybe they won't know that they have to come to the table with an offer of some kind of help TO GET HELP FIRST (by the way, if you're new and reading this, please know that everyone out there doesn't live in the land of, "If you want my help and advice, what will you do for me?" world - some people live genuinely in service to others and they want to help, without wanting anything in return); maybe the new investor won't know the right questions to ask or how much information they should have, or even HOW to formulate that information into a question worthy of "your" response.

So, I will repeat what I said initially, in case the folks in the back didn't see it the first time:  
Whether asking a question as a new investor or answering as a seasoned
investor, ALWAYS lead with kindness. Being offended or taken aback by
someone's rude response, is not a sign of "fragility," it says that you
are one who would never respond so rudely to someone's simple question.
Stepping into these waters is already an intimidating process. Please
be mindful of the way you respond to questions from those who are not as
seasoned as you might be. Your response just might be the final straw
in someone's attempt to change their life for the better by doing what
others have successfully done before. Lead with kindness. Don't hide
behind a rude response as a way of helping, because you're not. What
you're doing in that moment is ensuring that the person asking the
question won't ask another... and that's not what we want. We're here
to help... not hurt or hinder.

Your wait is over...


 FRW, whoever you are you need to take the mentorship position.  Honestly.  Couldn't have said it better.  Somehow I get this feeling your response will not be well taken by the original contributor.  Just a hunch... 


:)

Quote from @FR W.:
Quote from @Jonathan Greene:
Quote from @FR W.:

I'm not sure why you posted F R A G I L E, but "do you" whatever it means. 

"You" took offense to what I said clearly since you came back and began your post with F R A G I L E.  I could have started this reply with C H I L D I S H but I didn't.  So, moving on. 

Those of you who have put yourselves on this pedestal because you spend so much time here posting and leaving clapback comments (that was your word, right?), that you've racked up so many votes from those who may not necessarily agree with what you've said, but are too afraid to challenge or add a different view of what you said, are most often the problem.  Your response to my take on your post is a perfect example.  I wasn't negating your post, I was only offering a different view... one that too many face and feel, yet one that not many will speak up on, again, because there are those with "bully" syndrome and this superiority complex who shut them down every time they ask a question. 

You're right, what some call business, I might find rude, because I don't think that there is EVER A TIME OR PLACE FOR RUDE. But there's always, always, always, time to HELP someone who needs it.

And those new investors asking for assistance, maybe they won't see your post with all that "helpful advice" as you call it, because you've posted it in one place - maybe they'll get on here and will be so overwhelmed at first, that they just won't know where to start;  maybe they won't know to jump on here and start searching; maybe they won't know that they have to come to the table with an offer of some kind of help TO GET HELP FIRST (by the way, if you're new and reading this, please know that everyone out there doesn't live in the land of, "If you want my help and advice, what will you do for me?" world - some people live genuinely in service to others and they want to help, without wanting anything in return); maybe the new investor won't know the right questions to ask or how much information they should have, or even HOW to formulate that information into a question worthy of "your" response.

So, I will repeat what I said initially, in case the folks in the back didn't see it the first time:  
Whether asking a question as a new investor or answering as a seasoned
investor, ALWAYS lead with kindness. Being offended or taken aback by
someone's rude response, is not a sign of "fragility," it says that you
are one who would never respond so rudely to someone's simple question.
Stepping into these waters is already an intimidating process. Please
be mindful of the way you respond to questions from those who are not as
seasoned as you might be. Your response just might be the final straw
in someone's attempt to change their life for the better by doing what
others have successfully done before. Lead with kindness. Don't hide
behind a rude response as a way of helping, because you're not. What
you're doing in that moment is ensuring that the person asking the
question won't ask another... and that's not what we want. We're here
to help... not hurt or hinder.

Your wait is over...


Didn't read. TLDR.


I'm sure you read every single syllable - have a great weekend :)
Quote from @Jonathan Greene:
Quote from @FR W.:

I'm not sure why you posted F R A G I L E, but "do you" whatever it means. 

"You" took offense to what I said clearly since you came back and began your post with F R A G I L E.  I could have started this reply with C H I L D I S H but I didn't.  So, moving on. 

Those of you who have put yourselves on this pedestal because you spend so much time here posting and leaving clapback comments (that was your word, right?), that you've racked up so many votes from those who may not necessarily agree with what you've said, but are too afraid to challenge or add a different view of what you said, are most often the problem.  Your response to my take on your post is a perfect example.  I wasn't negating your post, I was only offering a different view... one that too many face and feel, yet one that not many will speak up on, again, because there are those with "bully" syndrome and this superiority complex who shut them down every time they ask a question. 

You're right, what some call business, I might find rude, because I don't think that there is EVER A TIME OR PLACE FOR RUDE. But there's always, always, always, time to HELP someone who needs it.

And those new investors asking for assistance, maybe they won't see your post with all that "helpful advice" as you call it, because you've posted it in one place - maybe they'll get on here and will be so overwhelmed at first, that they just won't know where to start;  maybe they won't know to jump on here and start searching; maybe they won't know that they have to come to the table with an offer of some kind of help TO GET HELP FIRST (by the way, if you're new and reading this, please know that everyone out there doesn't live in the land of, "If you want my help and advice, what will you do for me?" world - some people live genuinely in service to others and they want to help, without wanting anything in return); maybe the new investor won't know the right questions to ask or how much information they should have, or even HOW to formulate that information into a question worthy of "your" response.

So, I will repeat what I said initially, in case the folks in the back didn't see it the first time:  
Whether asking a question as a new investor or answering as a seasoned
investor, ALWAYS lead with kindness. Being offended or taken aback by
someone's rude response, is not a sign of "fragility," it says that you
are one who would never respond so rudely to someone's simple question.
Stepping into these waters is already an intimidating process. Please
be mindful of the way you respond to questions from those who are not as
seasoned as you might be. Your response just might be the final straw
in someone's attempt to change their life for the better by doing what
others have successfully done before. Lead with kindness. Don't hide
behind a rude response as a way of helping, because you're not. What
you're doing in that moment is ensuring that the person asking the
question won't ask another... and that's not what we want. We're here
to help... not hurt or hinder.

Your wait is over...


Didn't read. TLDR.


 I'm sure - Have an amazing weekend :)

I'm not sure why you posted F R A G I L E, but "do you" whatever it means. 

"You" took offense to what I said clearly since you came back and began your post with F R A G I L E.  I could have started this reply with C H I L D I S H but I didn't.  So, moving on. 

Those of you who have put yourselves on this pedestal because you spend so much time here posting and leaving clapback comments (that was your word, right?), that you've racked up so many votes from those who may not necessarily agree with what you've said, but are too afraid to challenge or add a different view of what you said, are most often the problem.  Your response to my take on your post is a perfect example.  I wasn't negating your post, I was only offering a different view... one that too many face and feel, yet one that not many will speak up on, again, because there are those with "bully" syndrome and this superiority complex who shut them down every time they ask a question. 

You're right, what some call business, I might find rude, because I don't think that there is EVER A TIME OR PLACE FOR RUDE. But there's always, always, always, time to HELP someone who needs it.

And those new investors asking for assistance, maybe they won't see your post with all that "helpful advice" as you call it, because you've posted it in one place - maybe they'll get on here and will be so overwhelmed at first, that they just won't know where to start;  maybe they won't know to jump on here and start searching; maybe they won't know that they have to come to the table with an offer of some kind of help TO GET HELP FIRST (by the way, if you're new and reading this, please know that everyone out there doesn't live in the land of, "If you want my help and advice, what will you do for me?" world - some people live genuinely in service to others and they want to help, without wanting anything in return); maybe the new investor won't know the right questions to ask or how much information they should have, or even HOW to formulate that information into a question worthy of "your" response.

So, I will repeat what I said initially, in case the folks in the back didn't see it the first time:  
Whether asking a question as a new investor or answering as a seasoned
investor, ALWAYS lead with kindness. Being offended or taken aback by
someone's rude response, is not a sign of "fragility," it says that you
are one who would never respond so rudely to someone's simple question.
Stepping into these waters is already an intimidating process. Please
be mindful of the way you respond to questions from those who are not as
seasoned as you might be. Your response just might be the final straw
in someone's attempt to change their life for the better by doing what
others have successfully done before. Lead with kindness. Don't hide
behind a rude response as a way of helping, because you're not. What
you're doing in that moment is ensuring that the person asking the
question won't ask another... and that's not what we want. We're here
to help... not hurt or hinder.

Your wait is over...

Quote from @Jonathan Greene:
Quote from @FR W.:

Whether asking a question as a new investor or answering as a seasoned investor, ALWAYS lead with kindness.  Being offended or taken aback by someone's rude response, is not a sign of "fragility," it says that you are one who would never respond so rudely to someone's simple question.  Stepping into these waters is already an intimidating process.  Please be mindful of the way you respond to questions from those who are not as seasoned as you might be.  Your response just might be the final straw in someone's attempt to change their life for the better by doing what others have successfully done before.  Lead with kindness.  Don't hide behind a rude response as a way of helping, because you're not.  What you're doing in that moment is ensuring that the person asking the question won't ask another... and that's not what we want.  We're here to help... not hurt or hinder. 

Thanks for the tips :)


F r a g i l e.

What you call rude, others call business.

Explain how the original post would not help a new person to the site for the better.

I will still be waiting...