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All Forum Posts by: Saran Mandhadapu

Saran Mandhadapu has started 21 posts and replied 84 times.

Hello,

I have a holding company LLC with two members as Partnership.

I have one property purchased in the name of another single member LLC (for ex 123 Main LLC) with the single member being the Holding LLC (100% owner is holding LLC).

I also formed another LLC (dummy LLC) as a single member being the Holding LLC (100% owner is holding LLC). This dummy LLC has not purchased any properties in 2016 and does not have any income but has expenses of $275 (LLC formation expenses)

Total 3 LLC's, out of which 2 are single member dis-regarded LLC's and one is partnership holding LLC.

Question:- I am preparing Partnership return 1065 for the Holding LLC, how do I list the dummy LLC in form 8825? What address do I list for this LLC because this LLC does not own any properties at this time, so no income but with an expense of $275 for 2016.

Appreciate your quick response.

Thanks,

Saran

Originally posted by @Brian Garrett:

Great story and perspective.  Congrats on a great turnout!

 Not my story, I copied and pasted someone else story from quora.com for the benefit of biggerpocket members.

Hello -- I am just putting an answer I found in Quora.com for the benefit of biggerpockets members. 

Someone asked a question "Real Estate Investing: Is owning a rental property worth the headache?" and someone replied the following answer. 

Let me give you an example of my first rental property. I purchased it about 5 years ago.

It was $65,000 and all I could qualify for was $70,000. I put $3,000 down and rolled the $2,500 in closing costs into the loan.

My payment was right at $500 per month. I rented it out 3 days after I bought it for $750 per month.

For the first year, I had no problems with the property. That means that I got back $3,000 the first year…a 100% ROI.

The next year, I had a roof leak that damaged the ceiling in the dining room. I paid someone to fix the roof ($250) and did the drywall and painting fix myself. But if I had paid someone it would have been around $500.

The tenant moved out. I got new tenants at $800 per month.

ROI (on the cash out of pocket) for the second year 75%.

Expenses for the third year: $100 fridge, $350 water heater, $250 miscellaneous.

ROI for the third year 76%

Fourth year. I got some bad tenants in the property, I should have evicted them much sooner than I did but they kept paying so I let them stay.

ROI for the fourth year 100%

Fifth year. The bad tenants quit paying. I had to evict them. It took 2 months and no rent received during that time. The property was totally trashed and I ended up having to do major work on it.

Repair bill $10,000. I did a lot of the work myself. I gutted the drywall, ripped out the kitchen, pulled up the carpet. I installed an ikea kitchen myself, installed the trim, bathroom fixtures and painted. I had someone else do the drywall and the carpet. If I had paid someone to do everything it probably would have cost me another $3,000.

The remodel took me two and half months. That means no rent for almost 5 months. When all was said and done, I re-rented the house for $900.

That means this year would have been a $13,000 loss.

ROI year five -$433%

So, at the end of 5 years, when all was said and done, I had a $2000 out of pocket loss.

That means after 5 years of ownership, with some big headaches along the way, I have spent $5,000 and gotten no tangible returns. Would I say it is worth the headaches? YES!

Why? Because of the equity growth.

In the last 5 years, the amount owed on the home has gone from $65,000 to $57,000. That’s a gain of about $8,000.

So that's pretty good news. That means that between the principal pay down and the month cash flow, I have about a $6,000 profit. That's a 200% ROI over 5 years, or about 40% per year…not bad.

But here’s where the really good news comes in…In the last 5 years the property has gone from a value of $65,000 to about $115,000.

That’s a gain of $50,000!

If I sold the property today, after fees and commissions, I’d receive a check for around $50,000.

My $5,000 out of pocket turned into $50,000 over the course of 5 years.

If I had managed my property better, I would have an even higher gain, and I would have had much less headaches (most likely.)

But I learned a lot and I still increased my net worth by 50 grand in the process. And as long as I do a better job managing the property, it will continue to go up in value, my loan will continue to be paid down, and I’ll have $400 cash flow coming in every month.

Is owning a rental property worth the headache? I cannot answer that for you. But I CAN answer it for me. This property has been a headache. But has it been worth it? Without a doubt.

YES!

Note: These are not my comments, I just put it here so someone who has the same question can make their own decision based on someone else experience.

Thanks,

Saran

Hello,

I need to file Tax returns for 2016. I have an LLC partnership formed in 2016. Can you give some reference to an experienced Tax CPA with Real Estate knowledge with reasonable fees? I am based in PA.

Thanks,

Saran

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@Garrett Canter

First form a Holding LLC as a partnership in Wyoming/Nevada. This holding LLC will file annual taxes and file K1's, get IRS EIN with partnership structure and open bank account.

Change the other local State LLC's structure where the property Title is held into an IRS Disregarded Single Member LLC which is 100% owned by Holding LLC. Get IRS EIN for local state LLC's as Disregarded entity and open separate bank accounts.

When you deposit and withdraw money from your personal bank account, only do it from/to the Holding LLC bank account. You can move money freely between Holding LLC bank account and local state LLC accounts. You can get one Credit card for the Holding LLC bank account for expenses.

With this setup, YOU own the Holding LLC and all other LLC's are owned by the Holding LLC. The Federal Tax returns are only filed for the Holding LLC.

Key terms -- Holding LLC is setup as Partnership with IRS and local state LLC's are setup as Disregarded single member LLC's with IRS when getting an EIN number. Your LLC Operating agreement should also have this ownership structure.

Note: This is not an advice, please do your own due-diligence.

I did not include the Lender fees (like Origination, appraisal etc) since those are dependent on the lender.

I also did not include the PA State/County Transfer Taxes in the closing costs since those are dependent on the purchase price and does not change often.

I need to know if the Settlement costs listed above are reasonable?

Here are the fees charged by my Settlement company recently for a purchase price of $105,000 in York County, PA. Please let me know if they are reasonable.

Insured Closing Letter = $125

Tax Certification = $20

Electronic Retrieval Fee = $50

Notary Fee = $45

Overnight Delivery Fee = $12

Incoming Wire Fee = $22

Good Standing Cert for PA LLC = $40

Lender's Title insurance = $50

Total Settlement company fees = $364

Owner's title insurance = $1154 (Sale Rate - for purchase price of $105,000)

Please let me know if these charges are reasonable?

Post: Closing Costs Pennsylvania?

Saran MandhadapuPosted
  • Devon, PA
  • Posts 93
  • Votes 23

Hello,

Here are the fees charged by my Settlement company recently for a purchase price of $105,000 in York County, PA. Please let me know if they are reasonable.

Insured Closing Letter = $125

Tax Certification = $20

Electronic Retrieval Fee = $50

Notary Fee = $45

Overnight Delivery Fee = $12

Incoming Wire Fee = $22

Good Standing Cert for PA LLC = $40

Lender's Title insurance = $50

Total Settlement company fees = $364

Owner's title insurance = $1154  (Sale Rate - for purchase price of $105,000)

Please let me know if these charges are reasonable?