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All Forum Posts by: Scott Trench

Scott Trench has started 160 posts and replied 2596 times.

Post: Primary Residence Sale -- $1.65mm appreciation -- How to Minimize Capital Gains?

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  • Rental Property Investor
  • Denver, CO
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@Mindy Jensen - Wasn't there something about how "Adding more people to title" could boost the primary residence cap gains exclusion from $500K to higher number?

Post: Is the 1% rule dead?

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The 1% rule is essentially not going to happen in most markets, unless you are in the midwest or more rural/LCOL areas. 

I tend to think about it a little differently. I look for locations that I am comfortable with, and look for the best rental yield I can get in that location. This is how I begin my search. However, the highest yielding property is often not the property that I actually want to buy. It just helps me sort out all the stuff that definitely won't work.

Post: Significant Increase in Posts For Financing...

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Thank you guys! It is good to hear that the changes are starting to show up to the point where you notice them, and it makes sense that we have to sit on the current trajectory for some time to reinforce to folks what the core values here are.

We are aligning around the concept of “The Millionaire Next Door” as the type of person we speak to and we hope that you call out any content that strays too far from this message.

I think that we are making, and have made, big changes to get back to this core message, but understand that it will take time to get there. Until then, I understand that I will continue to get this feedback. It doesn’t matter if I talked about this for the past 5 years on BP Money, if I let other parts of our content let some of the hype in. It doesn’t matter the ratio of “slow and steady” stories to “home runs” on the real estate podcast. BiggerPockets needs to aspire to perfection in every single piece of content reflecting a “rational optimism” about real estate investing - we believe in it’s power, and fear near-term volatility. 

I just hope that some of you, our most prominent forum members, can provide actionable advice as part of that feedback, or just let me know if the frustrations are from things done in 2023, 2022, or before, or are present-day outputs of BP. 

I’ll bear the frustration for the former, knowing it is venting/frustration earned from years past, and I’ll consider feedback on the latter as actionable to inform present-day decision-making.

Post: Significant Increase in Posts For Financing...

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  • Denver, CO
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Quote from @Nicholas L.:

@Chris Seveney

definitely seeing these posts. a lot of folks saying they're going to buy using a HELOC for the down payment and some other type of financing for the rest.

is it distress? maybe - i think it's also probably just a reflection of the increase in home prices. additional equity allows for, for example, that HELOC - and I think a HELOC doesn't feel like debt the same way as other types of payments.

and BP has made everyone feel like they're missing out if they're not buying "deals," no matter how expensive.

 Nicholas - what advice would you give me to help change this perception that BP has made everyone feel like they’re missing out, even if that means investing in expensive deals?

Is this something I am saying? Dave Meyer? A recent guest? I don’t do this. I buy slowly and consistently, from a position of financial strength. 

I am, and BP is, certainly a proponent of real estate investing, but I am also trying to establish us as a place for sober long term thinking. I have published multiple warnings of the market, and have preached about investing from a position of financial strength for 550 BP Money episodes.

Clearly, however, this is not coming through and I am failing if you and others feel this way.

What can I do to change this? Should I make changes in the org? To our content? To our hosts? To our books? Should I show up every week and talk about where I think the pain is coming (multifamily, STR, etc)?

Post: I'm one of the "Find a Lender" lenders, here are my thoughts

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Quote from @Calvin Thomas:
Quote from @Scott Trench:
Quote from @Calvin Thomas:
Quote from @Bill Schrimpf:
Quote from @Calvin Thomas:
Quote from @Erik Browning:

Pro's: 

It's great to have BP as a trustworthy partner to give clients a level of trust that they will be taken care of. BP cosigns our ability to operate and vets us both on the phone and online prior to featuring us. If we do a bad job, then it looks like BP also does a bad job. Neither party wants that.

I've helped out a handful of people that found me on the platform and heard a variety of unique and exciting stories from real investors that need some help with their situation. Whether it's a refinance on a balloon payment coming due or as simple as an active duty military person wanting to house hack their first home. Really rewarding when I can help them meet their goals.

The cost of the service is pricey, however it can pay itself off if you are helping folks consistently.

Most of the clients that come in are not qualified or don't actually want financing, however there are some folks that are indeed serious.

Con's:

Incorrect phone numbers and email addresses

Delusional keyboard warriors threatening to start being an investor. These folks are imagineers that have a real estate empire in their own heads.

Many folks that fill out the "Find a Lender" form just want to talk to someone for educational purposes and are not interested in actually purchasing a property. Instead of reading one of the many books and podcasts BP publishes on the foundational elements associated with REI, they would prefer that I take 1-2 hours out of my day on the phone to explain everything. I'm a complete stranger. Although I'm happy to talk about REI (it changed my own life), the purpose of the platform is to facilitate financing, not to be a full time educator. This happens so frequently that changed my lender page description's first line to read, "SERIOUS INQUIRIES ONLY."

Dopamine hits. In the age of same day delivery and on-demand streaming, filling out a form gives newer folks a hit of dopamine and makes them feel like they are doing something positive in their lives. How do I know this? Well, I've done it myself and so have you, if you're being honest. "Learn to code and create a coding portfolio to get a $100k job in just 18 weeks!" Regrettably, I've filled out that form many years ago and ultimately decided that's not what I want to do with my life just 30 seconds after filling it out. When folks fill out the find a lender form that have not put in the simple research into what it takes to buy a house or investment property, the euphoria quickly fades and they go back to work and forget they ever filled it out.

New client inquiries from the "Find a Lender" platform keep coming in the middle of the night when I'm sleeping and cannot reach out immediately. I've set up a Zapier zap to text my phone whenever I get a new client message because folks are very impulsive (see above about wanting education and dopamine hits). The impulse and question they have quickly subsides once they get off of the BP platform and they go back to their late night cocktail, TV show, or go to bed and forget they even filled out the form. Again, many folks are just looking to talk to someone about HOW TO START investing in real estate instead of having a basic foundation of what is feasible - and they want the money right now. Often times, folks have little to zero income, little to zero capital, and want me to sell them the dream of purchasing real estate with no money and no job. I'll leave the dream selling to David Greene and Tom Cruz.

Fake leads. I've sent support a number of bots or fake leads with false information. 

Our job as lenders is to provide education for clients for THEIR SPECIFIC scenario, not to educate the population as a guru on why they should get into real estate investing. Folks will need to decide on their own if REI is right for them and have a basic understanding of how it works - it is very personal to them. I am not a guru or a podcast host, just a resource to help you carry out your plan


     So basically high priced garbage. I'm not surprised. BP has become a marketplace for everything real estate. If it wasn't for the forums, this place would have died a long time ago.

    Thank you for your honest review.


    My experience with Featured Agent has been hit and miss, seem similar to the find a lender program.  The lead quality had taken a turn for the worse in the last few months.  I started with BP in 2005, upgaded to pro 2007, Featured Agent 2 years ago.  BP used to be the "anti Carleton Sheets" platform, but the good ol days are gone!  The forums are still good, but the rest of the content is basically a bunch of advertisement.  I guess as a featured agent, I'm part of the problem!  Ha!

     They need the funds for the BS expos and getaways.  BP was amazing when it first started.  When it slowly started to become heavily commercialized and ads ads ads, it's gone down hill.  If BP didn't have the forums, it would just beyond pointless to visit. I understand one needs to make $$$, but these skeptical at best "gurus" hacking their crap and their events, promotions, etc.  In the end it's just damaging the brand.  Once you lose the community, there's really no way in turning things around.  Hopefully, it doesn't go that route.

    @Scott Trench


    Can you please let me know what getaway or expo BP has promoted, other than our annual conference in 2024? I will address it promptly. 

     And, can you please point to an instance of a guru hacking crap or events on BiggerPockets content in 2024? We take this seriously and this should not be happening on the platform, again, outside of us promoting BPCON, which we hope is a wonderful event for our members. 


     You also have those all inclusive conferences in the tropics I believe.  I see ads all over the forums about these guru's BP is interviewing, and how they have to buy these books and seminars.  A few weeks back, a young woman was asking about how to start out in real estate.  One of your minions popped right in and quickly promoted, well, you need get this book to start off and pointed her to the BP store. 

    Listen, I know you have to make money as no business can be sustained without income.  However, I will say, BP seems to be moving away from it's founding principles.  Run your company the way you like, but when a company moves away from their founding principles and starts to alienate their core; they usually have some rough waters ahead.


     Thanks, Calvin - I appreciate your advice. It’s hard to hear this perception shift, as to me it seems like we are just building on our foundations. We’ve had books, conferences, our paid membership, and networking between businesses and investors the duration of my tenure. But, clearly something in your view and certainly some other folks as well has changed. Perhaps it’s how we are doing things? Scale?

    What would you recommend for 2025 to me? We plan to have our conference in Las Vegas, at a less than $800 price point. We plan to sell no courses, and have “Bootcamps” be included in the pro membership, at current price. We plan to build on our “Deal Finder”, introduce a mobile app, and build out solutions to help investors meet contractors, lawyers, wholesalers (avoiding wannabes who just bought some guru course), and maybe foray into commercial - allowing investors to connect with Commercial Brokers. 

    If you were me, what would you change? 

    And, please do let me know if you can recall where an expensive course was promoted, directly or indirectly, especially anything in the last year. I will get that out of our content. 

    Post: Basic/General Multifamily Market Insights

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    • Rental Property Investor
    • Denver, CO
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    You might find this 20 minute read and breakdown of supply, demand, interest rates, and relative regional pressures on multifamily

    https://www.biggerpockets.com/blog/multifamily-crash-to-cont...

    Post: BP Featured Agent Program

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    • Rental Property Investor
    • Denver, CO
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    Thank you for the feedback, @Bill Schrimpf

    Why don't we set a call as well and learn more about your experience here on BiggerPockets? The goal is to connect real estate investors who are motivated to buy properties to highly professional investor friendly agents like yourself who can help them complete those purchases.

    We price our leads such that 1 out of 25 are assumed to close into business within the next year or two, but clearly that is not happening for you. Let's figure out why.

    Please feel free to email me at [email protected] to set up a call.

    If you aren't happy with that lead, I'll make sure the team credits you for it as part of that call. 

    Post: Filter to remove spammers in forums

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    • Denver, CO
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    @Becca F. - thanks for the feedback. If you can send me the name of someone who got 12 DMs from spammers, I can easily trace the spammers and kick them off. 

    Jimmy's post on the other thread does not appear to violate forum rules, but I upped the ante on the challenge you threw down on him to produce an example of these deals. 

    For what it's worth, I am not skeptical that 1% rules exist in places like Cleveland. I am skeptical that these properties are ones that I would want to buy and bet that there are a whole host of reasons why they are 1% rule properties. 

    The great thing about these forums is that there is something for everyone. Some people just want that cash flow - or the possibility of cash flow - even if there are a whole raft of problems that come with it. 

    Spam, however, should be eliminated. 

    Post: Questions for Ohio agents/investors and Class A, B, C in your markets

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    • Rental Property Investor
    • Denver, CO
    • Posts 2,740
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    @Jimmy Lieu - @Becca F. asked you a question and is now challenging me in another thread. She is essentially implying that these 1% rule properties have something very wrong with them or don't exist. 

    Can you please provide a specific example - there is no rule against this, and you are certainly allowed to. This would end speculation and bring you a lot of credibility.

    Please post a deal that meets the criteria you claim you have "tons of examples" of. 

    Thanks in advance! 

    Post: BP Featured Agent Program

    Scott Trench
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    • Rental Property Investor
    • Denver, CO
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    @Gregory Schwartz Really appreciate the positive feedback here. And, it’s no surprise to me that you do a great business both with the lead bundles and “organically” with people contacting you on the forums. The 734 “votes” (relative to 660 posts) tell me that you, on average do a great job posting valuable information to users on these forums, and on a regular basis. 

    I bet that you have a few keywords set up, and regularly chime in when your market and/or specific strategies pop up. This has the dual benefit of helping you stay informed on what’s going on in your local market and knowing all the new members who introduce themselves from College Station, and also every single one of those 660 posts is now an “SEO” post - every time someone googles a thread that’s come up, your name and business appear in these forums, alongside your quality answers. 

    I bet that translates into other good practices, like fast response times when people reach out to you. When someone submits a contact request, their likelihood to actually purchase with an agent is directly proportional to how quickly they get a response from that agent. I bet you reach out pretty quick. 

    Thank you for doing such a good job for BP Members, and being such a great client and contributor on these forums! Let me know if you want to connect 1:1 sometime!