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All Forum Posts by: Stephanie P.

Stephanie P. has started 186 posts and replied 4622 times.

Post: DSCR Loan for primary residence/house hack?

Stephanie P.
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Quote from @Meredith Von Kleydorff:

Hey Everyone! Looking to get some advice and guidance on DSCR (Debt service coverage ratio) lending. My goal is something along the lines of a house hack by purchasing a single family home with maybe 4 bedrooms and living in one and renting out the other 3 rooms to roommates. I am a recent college grad and have several friends looking for affordable rental options and see it as an opportunity to jump start my investing journey. Id want to have the mortgage and expenses covered by the rental income and hopefully a little cash flow as well. I have some cash for the down payment, but it looks like the down payment for these loans can be 20-30%. Im in the Atlanta market, which is pricey. And this will be my first home purchase. I like this loan for my situation because Im a realtor so I have inconsistent income and little credit history so it seems like a good option because they lend based on the income of the property.

Wanting to know if anyone has any experience with something like this? Or any recommendations for other options instead of or in addition to this type of loan to fund a deal like this? What ratio should I look for? Also, if I used a DSCR loan and took title to the property in an LLC, could I still use an FHA first time home buyer loan for another home purchase later on? Any feedback is appreciated. TIA


 Hey Meredith

Welcome to BP!!

DSCR won't be an option for you on this. The best multi-family loan product out there right now is FHA. The downside is upfront mortgage insurance (MI) along with monthly MI that doesn't go away. Additionally, many sellers in a seller's market won't take a loan with FHA for financing.

If you can find a multi family in Atlanta and if the seller allows for FHA, the property itself has to qualify if it has 3-4 units using 75% of the rents. Once you get past all of those hurdles, you should be good.

All the best

Stephanie

Post: Recommendation of lenders who use leases vs market rent for DSCR

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Quote from @Dana Powell:

At 4% interest, I bought investment properties which easily met a DSCR of 1 or greater, even when using the market rental value which was always less than the actual rent I receive from my tenants' federal housing choice vouchers (HCV). However, with the rise in interest rates, I am fairly certain that a threshold ratio of 1 will not be met.

If I were able to acquire my next investment through cash and/or bridge loan, install my section 8 tenant and show a couple of months of rental payments, is there a lender out there that would use that lease and its accompanying Housing Assistance Payment contract I would have with the local housing authority? The DSCR using market rent is more like .50.

Thanks in advance!


 There are a couple of variables going on.

You should be able to use the lease, especially if you can show the money going into your bank account for a few months.  If you want to use the appraised value, you'll have to wait 6 months (generally) to get cash out.  In most cases you'll be able to use the purchase price with no seasoning (assuming the purchase price is below the appraised value), but your ltv will be limited because of the cash out.

Post: Lenders PLEASE HELP!! Options for holding a flip!

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Quote from @Edmund Isas:

Ok ill start by giving a little background about myself. Over the last 2 years I have acquired 3 multifamily units totaling 7 rental units. On the first unit my business partner and I paid mostly with our own cash. The other 2 we borrowed private money and have been paying mortgages on. The properties are currently netting roughly between $7- $10k a month. After expenses we have a positive cashflow of roughly $5200. This year we invested in our first Flip. We bought a house in a prime location in Houston for $255,000. Initially we were planning on doing a little TLC and getting it back on the market. After getting quotes from our builder we decided to keep some of the existing structure but tare down the larger portion of the home and rebuild a new home. The cost of reno will be roughly $200k. We funded the deal with a hard money loan for the purchase and reno and a private loan for the down payment. All in we are at $495,500. We estimate the ARV will be between $800-$850k.

The dilemma I'm facing is whether to sell the property, pay off the debt and pay taxes on the capital gains. Or if I should sell the house to our business, refi the home, pay the investors and hold the property for a year or two and then sell. It is my understanding that I can avoid paying capital gains taxes this way. True? I'm not sure I would qualify for the $800k loan using my personal income and credit. Not that my credit is bad. But as you all know when you're first starting off rack up a lot of debt is easy. What are my options? Currently we have an equity loan on one of the 3 properties we own. The other two we have private loans (family and friends) on. Any advice would be greatly appreciated! 


Be careful to stay within the footprint of the original structure to avoid zoning issues. Your loan to value looks to be good if the ARV holds and it should in this market, so a DSCR loan should be the ticket; particularly if you are worried about your debt to income ratio.

Post: What kind of rates are folks getting on a BRRRr refi?

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Quote from @John Anderson:

With interest rates going through the roof, I’m curious about what people are seeing with regard to refinancing investment properties, especially those that are at a lower price point.
I’m looking to invest in smaller 2 to 4 unit buildings, but I am worried that I will run into issues with the interest rate, or with lenders refusing to do a refinance given current market conditions.

any advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!

Things have calmed down a bit since the craziness of February.  We closed a loan yesterday at 6% with no buy down.  Most places have a floor rate at around 6.25 right now.  That loan was in underwriting right before the lender bumped their floor up and it closed in <3 weeks.  That means two things; there are lenders are honoring their "locks" since they've been bumped up over 3.99% and cleaned out their pipeline of lower interest rate loans and their underwriters and processors are looking for loans because they've cleaned out their pipeline of lower interest rate loans.  If the numbers work in the 6's, right now it's a good time to get a loan in processing.  Lenders are hungry to approve loans and get them on the books before the Fed raises interest rates again and stalls any chance of recovery.

Post: Does a DSCR Count As A Fannie Mae House Spot?

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@Justin Smith

Congratulations on your success!!

The verbiage is 10 "financed properties". If you are financing a property, even in an LLC if it's personally guaranteed, it counts against you. It may not show on credit, but it will show on eventual lender's drive report.

Stephanie

Post: Is it possible to get a loan with <2 years of employment history?

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@Cameron Bremner

Something no one has brought up is FHA's self sustainability rule. On a 4 unit property, 75% of the rents from the three tenant occupied units must cover the mortgage payment after taking market vacancy rates into consideration. Large loan amounts sometimes have a hard time meeting that threshold.

Stephanie

Post: DSCR Loans - How do they work?

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Quote from @Ramin Lavi:

@Stephanie P. 

Hi Stephanie, our bank will typically only charge 0.5 points with 15% down and credit above 700.  For our primary residence and 2nd home (vacation home) no doc loans we are similar.  Yes, we have primary home no doc loans up to $3M here in California and various other states! 

Ramin,
That point structure is based on Lender Based Compensation.  I can assure you no one is originating loans for only half a point.  Your fees are baked into the rate.
No doc loans for primary residences are making a comeback for some companies.  Most are still scared of a bubble or high default ratio.  
Cheers to your success!!
Stephanie

Post: 6.7% 30 year fixed DSCR loan

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Quote from @Kevin O'Brien:

Hey all,

got a bit of sticker shock at 6.7% 30 year fixed with 5 year pre payment penalty. Prior loan was done literally a month ago at 5.5% and 3 year pre payment. Is 6.7% really market rate now? Plenty of experience already, great credit and property cash flows fantastically. I was hoping for like 6%. 

Yup. That's where we are.  Most floor's are 6% or more.

Post: DSCR loan appraisal compared to BP Rent Estimator

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Quote from @Keith Morrison:

What has been everyones experience with using the rent estimator and then getting a DSCR loan and getting the rent appraisal? Has it been close, comparable, or way off?

And if there has been a difference, how much was the difference and why do you think it was?

If you're buying a rental, the Realtors involved should be able to give you an estimate of rents to compare to the BP rent estimator.  if there's a difference, it's probably because rents lag and the $1500 apartment from last year is now a $2000 apartment.

Post: How to find direct lender for DSCR?

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Quote from @Lynne Burke:

Hi all! Wanted to update as I spoke with what feels like dozens of lenders and brokers and got dozens of rates and promises. I ended up starting with a few (lower rate!) who had massive increases in the interest rates (over 2 points!) in a weeks' time. Also during that time, started to lose confidence that those same mortgage brokers I had been speaking to could close the deal (terms kept changing). I had less than a month to get funding (was already under contract when my initial preapproval bank fell through). Several other lenders couldn't make it work as the rates started rising as it was based on LTR DSCR numbers. I ultimately went back to one of the initial quotes I got from this very board and post. @Jared Rine saved the deal. Literally, figuratively, you name it. The initial quote he gave me stayed true. He was able to fund in less than 2 weeks. I cannot stress this enough - his communication and competence were leaps and bounds above everyone else. He was not only a pleasure to work with, but he knows what he is doing and THIS MATTERS MORE THAN YOU THINK. The reason I was in such a tight spot in the first place is because my first broker didn't fully vet what he should have (despite my protestations). So, long story short - go with someone highly recommended.

Feel free to reach out with questions on my particular deal and why it was so tricky. Couldn't be happier with Jared.

@Jared Rine is a good man and a professional.  @Lynne Burke  It was very nice of you to compliment him publicly.  Not enough of that these days.

All the best.

Stephanie