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All Forum Posts by: Stephen Morales

Stephen Morales has started 12 posts and replied 347 times.

Post: What would wholesaling be like for a Canadian in US markets

Stephen Morales
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  • Jacksonville, FL
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The biggest thing you would have to think about is the tax implications. As an individual I believe you would have to register and get an ITIN to file a 1040-NR. Not 100% sure and this is not tax advice or legal advice.

Post: Question about Wholesaling RE

Stephen Morales
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  • Jacksonville, FL
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Quote from @Abraham Shamosh:

Hi All,

I  heard a lot about wholesaling real estate and it’s sounds like a good way to enter real estate with a low investment.

Only thing is I get very skeptical when I see gurus on YouTube pushing and selling courses for certain industries. 

My question is, anyone here do wholesale real estate first hand ? And is it feasible and similar to what I’ve heard upon doing my research. 

Thanks 

 Hi @Abraham Shamosh,

I know I'm late to the party but I've done a lot of traditional RE and wholesaling for pretty much a decade. 

Definitely take the general info that gurus have to gain a general understanding of the business. The best thing you can do though is network with others in the industry, much like you are doing here. 

Wholesaling is 100% feasible, some say the success rate is 1%, I would say to where  the success rate is more like 10% if you're looking to replace your job and make a little extra than before.

It is 100% achievable but it is HARD. I would advise having AT LEAST 3 months of capital reserves before you get into the business. Any money you make off your first deal you need to reinvest into your marketing and systems. You will be working 70-80 hours a week when you first start out but you have to if you want to be truly successful. 

I see a lot of people that want to quit their job to do real estate but they don't realize that you end up taking a pay cut at first and have to work twice as hard for a long time before you start getting the real freedom that you're looking for. 

But...you cannot tell me that if you pulled a target list of 10,000 properties and you called on a triple line dialer 8-10 hours a day 6 days a week for a month that you will not see results. My point is that it is very hard to fail if you really commit and put serious effort into your success. 

If you need any help you can always reach out. Good luck!

Post: Margin or Volume??

Stephen Morales
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  • Jacksonville, FL
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Hey Ashley,

I'm going to go with margins on this one. 

Ask yourself, if values where the same but margins were different. Would you rather have 3 properties operating at 5% margins or one property operating at a 15% margin. 

Post: STR sub-to/ portfolio

Stephen Morales
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  • Jacksonville, FL
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Quote from @Don Konipol:
Quote from @Corby Goade:
Quote from @Timothy Franklin:

@James Wise so you would rather pay higher interest rates to the bank? I could have sworn everyone in real estate was trying to get the most back on their dollar, but that could just be me I suppose. But I guess if you want to give a bank $375,000 upfront and $10,871 a month for 30 years you are welcome to. This deal is not exclusive by any means, just trying to help people get deals done.

 I don't think that's the point- although @James Wise isn't known for subtlety. 

Sub to deals are risky for the buyer and typically provide little to no value for the seller. 

If they need to reinvest, how does sub to help them accomplish that goal? Also, wholesale deals off of the MLS are typically a waste of time for all parties.

Geez, there’s so much opinion, emotions, beliefs, and personal experience in this thread.  It kinda makes it FUN.  Maybe not (sometimes) rational, but FUN nevertheless. 

Person new to real estate trying to get in the “game” with little or no capital and trying creatively.  Misled by gurus on YouTube hyping how people JUST LIKE THEM with no capital, experience or real estate education, can join his mentorship and make these incredibly profitable deals.  We all know it bull, but we know it because we have the experience and knowledge the newbie lacks. 

So , I’d like to address a few posts where the poster has expressed his opinion that I disagree with.  The posters opinion is based on their experience, my opinion is based on mine.  Some times our experiences differ; other times our experiences are similar but we draw different conclusions. I still respect their opinions.  

1. I believe subject to transactions, done CORRECTLY, between KNOWLEDGABLE participants, with FULL DISCLOSURE, are typically successful transactions that have benefits for both sides.  The seller can often sell a property that can not otherwise be sold, financed, or sold for enough to pay off existing mortgage or obtain a higher price by selling Sub To, or Sub To wrap/owner finance.  The buyer can obtain a property with no mortgage qualifying and or a lower than current interest rate, or on terms not readily available otherwise.  With a backup plan, and proper (extensive) legal docs, much of the risk can be mitigated. Btw, I’ve found that these types transactions actually work better when used to purchase/sell COMMERCIAL property. 

2. As I addressed in another discussion, most money in real estate is made by long term appreciation and by improving, repositioning, and stabilizing the property, NOT thru purchasing at a discounted price.  While a substantial profit can be made purchasing below “market price” these types transactions deals are a rarity.  MOST transactions where people think they’re buying below market are actually being purchased AT market price; the purchaser is either valuing the property incorrectly usually because the “comps” they’re using are not being adjusted accurately for difference or because the appraiser’s opinion is just plain incorrect. 

3. Flipping properties, commonly called “wholesaling” can be done ethically, legally and successfully.  Unfortunately, 98% of the participants can’t or won’t operate ethically.  People trying to “wholesale” who lack knowledge of real estate principles, real estate law, the local real estate market, the market for the property type they’re trying to wholesale, etc, CAN NOT WHO;ESALE ETHICALLY no matter what they do.  Because to provide the seller with value the wholesaler MUST possess the experience and knowledge mentioned above, otherwise the wholesaler is merely tying up the sellers property under false pretenses.  

Here’s my bottom line.  Just because a technique for acquiring or earning money is popularized by gurus and practiced unethically by the gurus students does not mean that the technique itself is a scam, unethical, immoral, or that the participants aren’t honest.  
My thoughts exactly, fantastic points Don!

Post: Negotiating within wholesaling

Stephen Morales
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  • Jacksonville, FL
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Quote from @Jonathan Grzeszczyk:

Soon I am taking a job with a wholesaling company on the acquisition side of the deal. Their business model is interesting and has a couple different exits strategies when getting a property under contract. So, coming in to the real estate field with no capital it seems like a good first step to get my feet wet and get a better understanding of real estate investing as a whole.

Since I will be on the buying side of the deal, obviously negotiating will be a big part of my job. Therefore, I have been trying to study up on techniques used to make good offers and over come objections. However, I have not found much on the subject relating to wholesaling. 

Pretty much everything I have seen and read is:

Find out the sellers motivation/problem and speak to solving that issue.

Give an offer but explain how you got your numbers.

Other than that, it seems pretty limited for negotiating information. For those of you who are wholesaling, what are some other ways you go about the negotiating phase? 

(Further context on the role, the business has solid marketing and network established. So, I will not be needing to source leads as much. Most of the work will be following up with warm leads already.)

Hey Jonathan, 

I'm applaud you for taking this route. I do suggest that individuals with no capital that want to get into the space can sometimes work for firms such as Networth or New Western that will work with you on a commission basis or sometimes even a modest salary with a commission. 

Now to actually answer your question about negotiations. 

It's all about building rapport with the Seller. When I first get a Seller's interest in selling their home it's more so you're on the phone doing some fact finding to determine price but once you get to the home to walk it that's where you really start asking questions. 

I start asking about stuff that they had done, I notice sports themes in the house and will ask about that or their hobbies if I see items that relate to specific ones, compliment design choices, ask about their thoughts on the market, what their plans are after they sell, do they need help with moving, how the neighborhood has evolved etc. 

A perfect example of this is I recently did a deal where the gentleman grew up in this house, his parents built the house and it was the first one on the block. We talked about the history of the area, the schools he went to and how much things have changed for him over the last decades. I noticed he was a table top collector and loved collecting train sets so we talked for a long time about that. He was a collector/hoarder as he admits and so I asked him where he planned to move. Turns out he had a huge property in another town about an 1hr of where he currently lived. It was his dream to retire and reopen all of the toys he collected over the years and put them on full display. He was also had a career in the energy sector as an engineer so I asked him a bunch about that as well. 

He had higher offers and people calling him every day. He went with us for a couple of reasons. 

One, even though his memory was fuzzy I built a relationship with him. He remembered ME. He had a landline with no caller ID, but when he heard my voice he would exclaim my name as if he heard from an old friend. 

Two, I went over the cost of acquisitions on our end including costs to fix it up and the two day ordeal of moving all of his stuff for him into his new home. He also had TWO 50x10 trailers full of his collectable items. Once he realized how expensive everything would be for us and went line by line explaining our cost and how much we were looking to make. He accepted our lower offer. 

People will negotiate with people they like and when the numbers make sense. 

Post: The Key to wholesaling

Stephen Morales
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  • Jacksonville, FL
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Hi @David Martoyan

I have tried every single method there is over the last decade and cold calling stands out as the most cost effective and consistent way for us to generate deals with networking at a close second.

To answer your second question about dispositions I'm gonna have to go back to the first answer. We built an amazing cash buyers lists from reaching out to portfolio owners in our markets and by networking we have built strong ongoing relationships with those we meet. It gets to a point where you will literally have several buyers for every neighborhood and property type you can think of. 

What methods have you been testing? I would definitely stay away from jumping from one strategy to the next. Just find one that works for your you and double down on it. Shiny object syndrome is a growth killer for any business. 

Post: Want to increase my Cash Buyers List in South FL

Stephen Morales
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Hi @Frank Perera

I would go ahead and attend some local meet ups and REIA events in your area. You can also join FB groups that are for your target market and reach out to cash buyers on there.

There area also list building sites where you can target cash buyers. Let me know if you need help with this.

Post: Finding best market for wholesale

Stephen Morales
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Hi @Pablo Kursón López

Congrats on getting started! 

So both of these seem like good areas to work. I would ask which market are more investors actively buying and doing flips in and go with that market. 

Personally I like option 2 as it seems like a great area to negotiate favorable offers as the value of that area has not been realized yet and you can assign your deals to up and coming investors in that area. Probably less competition too.

Post: Incomplete new builds in Cape Coral FL

Stephen Morales
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  • Jacksonville, FL
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Quote from @Susan Swanson:

Hi Jay,

There was definitely FOMO! I believe there were good underlying intentions, but when greed took over, it set the stage for investors being misled.  There were people getting pictures of close to finished properties that weren't theirs just to keep the charade going.  This intention was pure deceit.  Thankfully, I am boots on the ground here in SWFL for my investors.  I literally go take pictures & video of the properties with the address clearly showing.  Infrastructure has to be in place and this is what all these impact fees are for. It would be nice if all builders had your same knowledge and integrity.  Fortunately, there are many with this level of integrity and more due diligence is necessary and aligning with the right people and companies. 

Do you see Lehigh Acres being overbuilt?


There is certainly an oversupply of lots going on the market. I feel like I get an off market lot from Lehigh every couple of days. As far as I know they have been experiencing infrastructure issues for some time now 

Post: Should I Use the Listing Agent or Get My Own?

Stephen Morales
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  • Jacksonville, FL
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Quote from @Shiloh Lundahl:

@Yun Han I have many friends who are agents. Yet I still prefer to work with a sellers agent rather than work with a buyers agent when I am buying real estate. I like as few people between the seller and me as possible. In fact, if I'm able to convince the seller's agent to allow me to talk directly with the seller I will do that. 

Additionally, if I want my offer to stand out above other offers then I will let the seller know that I already own 10 properties in the area and I will offer a $20,000 non-refundable earnest money deposit, a quick close, and I'll wave my inspection period. 


I'm with you on this as well, As a REA and REI myself, I would just work directly with the listing agent and negotiate their price and total commission. When I was in PE doing CRE multifamily we would would sign an NDA and ask to have comms opened directly with the Seller so we can effectively have our questions answered and not have miscommunications of any kind.