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All Forum Posts by: Steven May

Steven May has started 39 posts and replied 243 times.

Post: How Much Are You Putting Away For Retirement Vs. Investing

Steven May
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  • Real Estate Agent
  • Kansas City, MO
  • Posts 259
  • Votes 250
Originally posted by @Jay Hinrichs:
Originally posted by @Steven May:
Originally posted by @Jay Hinrichs:
Originally posted by @Anthony Wick:

@Steven May

Contribute to the matching of your employer, first and foremost. 100% return is hard to get anywhere else. I currently max out my 401k ($19k a year) from my day job. Then I buy rental properties after that. Then I take 100% of rental property profits and either buy more rentals or invest in Vanguard VTSAX. I do not take a profit currently, as I am investing for retirement.

agreed on employer plan..  I had one for my employees during my logging days..  in the plan I bought a 700 acre tree farm  split off 10 5 acre lots that paid for the whole mary ann held it 15 years then sold it for 3 mil to Stimson Lumber.. so my employees all 4 of them got some pretty nice chunks of dough when that cooked off.. 

 Jay, awesome story! Would love to dive deeper into that deal! 

What was the initial purchase price?

How did you decide to go down that route of purchasing land? 

What part of the country was that in? 


Did you make monthly income off of it or just appreciation? 

Congrats and thanks for the input! 

1. 8 million CASH   my land broker brought it to me the seller needed money in 3 weeks.. 

we made money dividing the lots and selling them for building sites plus built two specs

we logged it a little over the years  pre commercial thin is what they call it.. that would net about 50k

between the little bit of logging and selling the lots we has close to a zero basis in it then sold it to the lumber company

it has 400 plus acres of 40 to 60 year old doug fir.. LOTS of value there for them to hold and log over the years. 

Incredible!

What's your portfolio looking like now days?

Post: How Much Are You Putting Away For Retirement Vs. Investing

Steven May
Posted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Kansas City, MO
  • Posts 259
  • Votes 250
Originally posted by @Jay Hinrichs:
Originally posted by @Anthony Wick:

@Steven May

Contribute to the matching of your employer, first and foremost. 100% return is hard to get anywhere else. I currently max out my 401k ($19k a year) from my day job. Then I buy rental properties after that. Then I take 100% of rental property profits and either buy more rentals or invest in Vanguard VTSAX. I do not take a profit currently, as I am investing for retirement.

agreed on employer plan..  I had one for my employees during my logging days..  in the plan I bought a 700 acre tree farm  split off 10 5 acre lots that paid for the whole mary ann held it 15 years then sold it for 3 mil to Stimson Lumber.. so my employees all 4 of them got some pretty nice chunks of dough when that cooked off.. 

 Jay, awesome story! Would love to dive deeper into that deal! 

What was the initial purchase price?

How did you decide to go down that route of purchasing land? 

What part of the country was that in? 


Did you make monthly income off of it or just appreciation? 

Congrats and thanks for the input! 

Post: How Much Are You Putting Away For Retirement Vs. Investing

Steven May
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  • Real Estate Agent
  • Kansas City, MO
  • Posts 259
  • Votes 250
Originally posted by @Todd Kruger:

@Steven May

Steven, the best thing I personally did 20 years ago when I became a REI was to open up my self-directed IRA. I remember having $20k in there and multiplying it multiple times every year to have the nearly $4m I have in my account today.

There are easy ways to grow your nest egg to afford your first flip. I have and continue to do a great deal of hard money loans to other flippers. Make sure these loans are in as short of terms as possible. A lesser amount of pts & rate are preferred over a long term loan. You make more $ at the end of the day if you can turn the same $ more often. 2-3x/year instead of only once. After you have enough in your account, always own one flip in your SDIRA. All proceeds get redeposited in that account and grows tax deferred until you begin to withdrawal upon retirement age.

Very soon the one possible flip turns into multiple homes at the same time.

Very important: research what is a prohibited transaction if you choose to do this. You will need to be “hands off” of these investments. Meaning you will need to have someone other than you, a wife or family member running these projects.

This path can be a tremendous ROI

Best resource to learn about using a self directed IRA to REI? I know it has to be hands off but that's all I know. Opened a SDIRA a couple years back.


Did you have your SDIRA in the stock market as well as owning a rental/flip with it? Why not just put down 20% for cash flow that you can manage yourself or save up cash for a BRRRR? Thanks for the advice!

Post: How Much Are You Putting Away For Retirement Vs. Investing

Steven May
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  • Real Estate Agent
  • Kansas City, MO
  • Posts 259
  • Votes 250

As a millennial and recent college grad and wanting to begin building a portfolio of properties while working a full time job, a question I constantly find myself contemplating is how to plan for an early retirement and build the best ROI on both my money and time.

As for those of you who currently build wealth through real estate in any niche whether it be buy and hold, flips, BRRRRs, commercial, residential and etc. --- How much are you putting away in various accounts to both build a healthy account for retirement, while also actively building your real estate portfolio with cash flow. The work of successful entrepreneurs such as Warren Buffet, Tony Robbins, and other investors commonly suggest putting 10-20% away of W2 income in accounts that compound such as Roth IRAs and company matching 401ks. The work of other great entrepreneurs such as Brandon Turner, and Grant Cardone avoid stocks, ETFs, and participate in REI only.

I agree with both sides of the spectrum and each category has its pros vs cons. As for moving through my late 20s, and into my 30s and beyond. I want to put my money to work for me in the best possible position to allow for the option to be able to passively collect income such as cash flowing real estate and also having a significant tax advantage retirement fund to rely on later in life that will compound through avenues such as ETFs that are diversified in different sectors and the S&P 500 index. 

For those of you, no matter what age frame you fall in:

(lets assume we moderately change our strategies through the years to  account for changes in economic cycles)

-How are you preparing yourself for financial Independence and possibly early retirement? 

-What lessons have you learned that you would tell your 23 year old self? 

-What is your balance of cash vs. equity (assets) vs. retirement fund vs. other investments such as savings/checking accounts? 

-Pay Down Debt/Borrow More?

Thanks for reading and look forward to the feedback!

Post: How to save up 25% down for multi family

Steven May
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  • Real Estate Agent
  • Kansas City, MO
  • Posts 259
  • Votes 250

I am a 23 year old REI in KC, MO. Currently I am house hacking a SFH. I used a conventional 3% down and financed 97% of the purchase. I am looking to build my rental portfolio and would love to obtain a duplex-quadplex. The most ideal route currently would be to use a 5% down FHA to house hack a duplex with my girlfriend while continuing to rent my SFH. A solid duplex that my girlfriend is willing to live in is becoming hard to find so we may just buy a cheap SFH and make the payment ourselves to live in.

Despite the current situation, my lender and bank I work with is great but I know in order to buy a small multi family property I need 25% down and be able to show some reserves in the bank as well. I’m a full time nurse and make decent money, about 23$/hr after taxes. I am frugal and save almost everything but wondering how people scale up while needing 25% down? It would take quite a bit of time to fund 25% down and like most people I want to obtain properties now! Haha.

If you have experience putting 25% down, are you saving money up in the account and just being patient for the right deal. Are you investing money in the stock market while waiting? I do not have enough equity to pull a line of credit currently but would like to utilize this strategy in the future. Let me know, thanks!

Post: Searching for real estate agents Kansas City & Indianapolis

Steven May
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  • Real Estate Agent
  • Kansas City, MO
  • Posts 259
  • Votes 250

If you are going the residential route — Samantha Salem, works for Reece Nichols Real Estate Team. 

She’s been great for me with viewing potential house hacking properties as well as investment properties. Also does a great job at communicating with listing and sellers agents and sellers themselves! 

Post: How to invest 30k in real estate?

Steven May
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  • Real Estate Agent
  • Kansas City, MO
  • Posts 259
  • Votes 250

@Monroe M.

If you don’t plan on moving then use the 30k to fund two 75k SFHs that cash flow! 20% down on 75k is 15k x2. Save up cash flow for rehab fund and your next property.

If not that option. Find one duplex that needs a little work. Paint and exterior - some light work. Make sure it cash flows. You may need 25% down for this property!

If you are okay with moving...use a FHA to house hack a duplex. Borrow as much as you can if you go down this route. This property will only need about 3-5% down. You could live for free there if numbers work, rent out your current property, and with only a low down payment on the duplex you could have enough left over for another property! That would be the best way to possibly have about 5 units with your 30k! Duplex + duplex + SFH!

Good luck!

Post: NEW BOOK—House Hack Your Way to Financial Freedom!

Steven May
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  • Real Estate Agent
  • Kansas City, MO
  • Posts 259
  • Votes 250

@Mindy Jensen

House hacking is the way to go.

Bought a SFH, 3 bedroom 2 bath at 22 years old. Had 2 buddies who needed a place to live. Charged them significantly less than they were paying in rent at their previous places. I now live completely for free and am building equity every month.

I’m looking to house hack a duplex now with my girlfriend.

Bought the home with a 3% conventional. Going with a FHA for the next property!

Anyone can do it and at any age!

Post: Lenders in Kansas City

Steven May
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  • Real Estate Agent
  • Kansas City, MO
  • Posts 259
  • Votes 250

Love the feedback on this thread! 

I currently have one SFH that I house hack. Been in the property 7 months. Looking to owner occupy a duplex. Wondering if anybody knows lenders willing to give a second personal residence loan on a duplex at a lower down payment!

Also I have a cash flowing duplex offer accepted. Needing help funding the 25% down if anyone is looking to partner or earn interest on a private/hard money loan! PM me for details!

Keep hustling KC BP!

Post: I'm a Real Estate Investor, but my Degree is in...

Steven May
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  • Real Estate Agent
  • Kansas City, MO
  • Posts 259
  • Votes 250

@Yonah Weiss

Just recently graduated with my Bachelors of Nursing this past spring. Passed my state boards and am now a Registered Nurse. Turned 23 years old right before graduation.

Purchased my first SFH house hack during my last semester of nursing school. Spent more time educating myself on REI and listening to Bigger Pockets than I did on my nursing studies.

I love the flexibility of my RN position - full time is 3 days a week (12 hour shifts). The other 4 days of the week I can network and analyze deals. If I need more money for a deal there is always a nursing shortage and I can pick up unlimited overtime!

I love my occupation - being able to help others in the healthcare system but I use my W2 income to create long-term, legacy wealth with REI.