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All Forum Posts by: Taylor Johnson

Taylor Johnson has started 3 posts and replied 12 times.

Post: Brandon Turner's "Partnership Model"

Taylor JohnsonPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Orem, UT
  • Posts 13
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Originally posted by @Joel Owens:

Turner has some experience. When experience happens then investment partners tend to feel better about investing. When it's a newbie with little to no money, experience, etc. then passive investors or types of partners can get nervous making an investment in a unknown commodity.

How do you overcome that? Most newer investors only take a small slice and give most of it to the passive investor or a partner bringing the money. As the sponsor gains experience then better splits follow and cheaper capital starts to flow in and more relationships are forged over time.

If you have a great deal then don't reinvent the wheel. Go to someone like Turner and see if they will bring in the money with their connections and you take a small slice to get going. If anything you might learn why a perceived deal might  NOT be a deal and then what to try and find  that is.

I appreciate the thoughtful input here, Joel.  Mentally, I have to treat the first couple of deals as learning experiences and hope that, in the process, I can come out with a little bit of extra working capital.  It's been a bit painful to realize that, no matter how hard I'm willing to work and how responsible I am for finding and executing the deal, if you don't have the upfront capital that's required, you're going to have to share the upside with someone who does.

Post: Brandon Turner's "Partnership Model"

Taylor JohnsonPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Orem, UT
  • Posts 13
  • Votes 0

Hey guys!  Brandon Turner is always talking about how many of his deals he finds a financial partner who covers the down payment and he adds value by #1 Finding the deals and #2 managing the property.

Has anyone had experience doing this same thing?  I'd like to learn a little bit more about what these deals look like on paper and get some direction on the best options for finding a financial partner like that.

Thanks!

Post: 25 units at 24 years old - What I've learned

Taylor JohnsonPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Orem, UT
  • Posts 13
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Thanks for sharing and for the advice, particularly regarding the private money lenders.  

I'm looking for some more insight into how the conversation/pitch to a private money lender should go, and some more understanding on how a deal like that plays out on the books (for both parties).  I.E. What numbers are they going to most concerned about?  What timelines are they usually working on and where do their returns come from if it's a buy and hold strategy and not a flip?  What cash should I have available and be expecting to spend up front?  etc.

I don't want to walk into a situation with a potential financial partner and not know the numbers as well as I need to.  That said, I also understand the reality that some things are best learned in practice, not study.

Maybe there is a podcast here on BP that dives into the details (actual numbers, percentages, timelines, etc.) of a private money deal?

Any thoughts/feedback/direction is welcomed!

Post: Lehi, Utah Rental Property Feedback

Taylor JohnsonPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Orem, UT
  • Posts 13
  • Votes 0
Originally posted by @Cherie Orellana:

@Taylor Johnson I am actually starting a direct mail campaign with @Jerry Puckett next month as soon as my baby is born.  I am excited to try it out. I am planning 1,000 a month for 6 months hitting the same houses each time. I have chosen 3 main zip codes to focus on in the salt lake valley. He comes up with the best marketing material for your specific needs. I have heard great things and will let you know how it goes!!

 That's awesome!  I'm super intrigued by the strategy so please do keep me/us posted!

Post: Lehi, Utah Rental Property Feedback

Taylor JohnsonPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Orem, UT
  • Posts 13
  • Votes 0
Originally posted by @Cherie Orellana:

@Taylor Johnson I think you have to be patient and get a really great deal. I tend to go for low price per sq ft and end up doing some work before they are rental ready. I watch the mls pretty close. I go through every single new listing in the salt lake valley up to $300,000 each day.  I only see one every 2-3 months that is worthy.  

That's a grind! I've heard a lot about direct mail marketing on BP, trying to find deals that never actually make it to MLS; have you ever explored that route? Cold calls, or anything more aggressive like that?

Post: Lehi, Utah Rental Property Feedback

Taylor JohnsonPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Orem, UT
  • Posts 13
  • Votes 0
Originally posted by @Cherie Orellana:

@Taylor Johnson That particular property is in West Valley right near salt lake community college. It has a mother in law as well. So the upstairs is rented by room and the basement to a family.  We cash flow about $1,400 on it after paying ourselves property management and all expenses. If we ever wanted to outsource property management and rent the whole property it would drop to about $800 which would still work for us. 

We have also found that often when you have 2 rooms open family are interested. Such as a mother and adult child, cousins, adult siblings.  We don’t allow couples however 2 of our rooms are rented to a married couple. They use one as their bedroom and the other as an office. My favorite place to find renters by room is the local Facebook for rent pages. Second would be KSL. 

 That's fantastic.  I was out there by SLCC the other day and got curious about looking into the market out there.  $1400 cash flow is really strong.  It's getting hard to hit anything close to that with the way the market is trending.  Either that, or I'm looking in all the wrong places!

Post: Lehi, Utah Rental Property Feedback

Taylor JohnsonPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Orem, UT
  • Posts 13
  • Votes 0
Originally posted by @Cherie Orellana:

I personally have one of my properties  I rent out rooms as well and it has been great. However as @Zack Adams said above I would make sure it would cash flow if you rented the whole unit as well. I am assuming you are intending to self manage. However in the future if you ever decided to get a property manager they typically won’t work with those types of lease agreements and it may limit you. 

 Hey Cherie - thanks for the insight!  I hadn't considered the implications of that arrangement for a property management company.  You're right that I was planning to manage it on my own, but it's good to know that it might be tough to outsource that if I ever wanted to, and it makes sense that PMs avoid that type of situation.  
Can I ask where the property is that you rent out room-by-room?

Post: Lehi, Utah Rental Property Feedback

Taylor JohnsonPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Orem, UT
  • Posts 13
  • Votes 0
Originally posted by @Zack Adams:

I'm all for squeezing out extra profit by renting a place by the bedroom, or renting a bedroom on Airbnb ... but I always make sure that it'll make profit by just renting the place out traditionally to a single family, so that I'll have something to fall back on if the other methods fail. 

I bought a condo once in downtown Salt Lake and then rented it on Airbnb, made a couple months of killer profit, then had to stop the Airbnb once the HOA started throwing a fit. Luckily, it still is profitable rented out to a single tenant ... but this would have been a very sad story if the unit couldn't bring in enough traditional rent to cover the expenses

Zack - I really appreciate that feedback and your specific experience. $2,500 seemed too good to be true and I've since confirmed that it would be in violation of the development and city code to have 5 individual tenants. Knowing that it could cash-flow even if the HOA cracked down is an absolute must for me. Appreciate it.

Post: Lehi, Utah Rental Property Feedback

Taylor JohnsonPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Orem, UT
  • Posts 13
  • Votes 0
Originally posted by @Rhett Dean:

I just wanted to jump in here. Its great if you can do this that's seems a steep price for the purchase price of the townhome in Lehi unless its at Ivory Ridge. Many HOA and their CC&R's will not allow you to rent a townhouse out like this and if they find out will serve you a notice. So always make sure its ok. With 5 others in the home I imagine parking can become an issue and if you have six cars around your Townhome neighbors will start to complain and if that happens they will check into this and if not approved could cause you some issues. A unit like this rented to one occupant would fetch 1700-2000 a month in the current market.

 Hey Rhett - thanks for your input here!  I've been feeling the same thing as far as $300k being a steep price for a townhome in Lehi.   It really only seems to make sense if the market keeps up or levels out.  With the growth in the area, and the fact that space is scarce, I can't see the market taking too much of a dive anytime soon, although we all know it will have to slow down at some point.

Post: First Investment Property Purchased

Taylor JohnsonPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Orem, UT
  • Posts 13
  • Votes 0
Originally posted by @Anjlia Holiday:

Taylor congrats on the property. Are you thinking to keep purchasing multi-families?

 Hey Anjlia - I would love to stick to multi-family housing, but I also would like to start with local properties, and my current financing options make that hard.