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All Forum Posts by: Tim McGarvey

Tim McGarvey has started 17 posts and replied 63 times.

Post: Wholesellers - Stop. Read this. Wholesaling is ...

Tim McGarveyPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Napa, CA
  • Posts 68
  • Votes 57

Wow - some interesting and polarizing thoughts here. It seems like the majority of the backlash against wholesaling here is because of the common techniques being used (and pushed by "gurus") below:

  1. Spammy marketing methods - SMS, cold calls, and RVMs
  2. Underqualified people - a VA or someone who just took a course
  3. Poor data - a shotgun approach instead of contacting potentially motivated sellers

Spammy texts and wholesaling are not mutually exclusive. My team closed 12 wholesale deals last month. We sent 0 SMS, cold calls, or RVMs to get those deals. My acquisitions team is USA based with minimum of 10 years sales training. There IS a market need for wholesaling, but we certainly have reached a point where these "gurus" are exploiting the system with these short-sighted teaching strategies.

The annoying wholesalers you're describing either 1) bought a course and don’t know what they're doing or 2) have poor ethics. Eventually this saturation in low-quality players will lead to more regulation - which I believe will be a net benefit. The barriers to entry will become higher and the fly-by-the-night guys will be filtered out (will move on to crypo, etc)

Wholesaling is due for a re-set but there will always be a place in the market for companies that can streamline the closing process with cash.

Post: HELP!! Newbie, looking to network in my local area, Sonoma County

Tim McGarveyPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Napa, CA
  • Posts 68
  • Votes 57

Hey @Danny Pacheco, welcome to BP! I'm located in Napa but primarily invest out of state in North Carolina. My first deal was a 4-unit house hack in Oakland where I renovated a few of the units while living there. Feel free to reach out with any questions you may have. I definitely learned a few lessons on that one.

Post: House Hacking my First Deal for $230k Profit

Tim McGarveyPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Napa, CA
  • Posts 68
  • Votes 57

Investment Info:

4-Unit apartment building in Oakland, CA purchased in 2017 and sold in 2022.

What made you interested in investing in this type of deal?

This was my first deal I'd ever done. I was reading books, listening to podcasts, and lurking around the BP forums for around 2 years before I was ready to take down my first property. In the ultra-competitive Bay Area it is difficult to find 1) find value and 2) afford the price points. I was working a 9-5 doing construction management so was constantly moving around to different job sites. Oakland was a central location with relatively low price points (sub $800k at the time), although higher crime that surrounding areas. I identified a few up-and-coming neighborhoods that I could afford and would be willing to live in to house-hack. I was looking for 2-4 unit properties to help offset the mortgage payment.

How did you find this deal and how did you negotiate it?

I used a real estate agent to identify potential properties and negotiate on my behalf. I was outbid on about 10 properties. On Christmas day, I got a call from my agent saying one on the buyers backed out of a deal and they wanted to see if we were still interested. Fortunately, we were the only ones ready to make an offer and got it under contract the next day for slightly under contract. We were lucky but prepared.

How did you finance this deal?

FHA loan with 3.5% down. Purchase price was $700,000. I spent about every penny I owned at the time and funded the repairs out of pocket. I wouldn't recommend doing that again - there were a few stressful months while I paid for repairs directly out of my incoming paychecks. I've been thinking a lot about cash reserves since this.

How did you add value to the deal?

I lived-in and renovated 2 of the 4 units over a 12 month period. I essentially lived in a construction project for a year. I could have done it more quickly but chose to do many of the repairs on my own. Great learning experience but I wouldn't do it again. Now my time is more valuable :) One of the units was previously renovated, so after the first year I had 3/4 units renovated plus exterior painting and other improvements.

The final unit was under rent control with long term tenants. They were paying around $650 for a $1600 market rate units. Welcome to the Bay Area!

I was able to increase rents from $4,600 to $6,000 and improved the quality of the building significantly.

What was the outcome?

I stabilized the property and moved out after the first year. I hired a property manager and it became a relatively passive asset for a few years. It cashed flowed a few hundred dollars a month but my "on-paper" returns were washed away by increasing taxes, labor/repair costs, high vacancy, etc based on owning in a C-class neighborhood in a tenant friendly city.

I sold the property for $957,000 in 2022 and am re-investing the proceeds into better performing assets in North Carolina.

This project got me in the real estate game and was the correct decision for me at the time. I took the equity and experience gained and will leverage it into more profitable and more scalable investments. 
Since moving out of the building I've been building an out of state investing business.

The icing on the cake was the check at the sale, but the confidence I gained though this project was the most valuable part of it. 

Post: Investment advice for a Rookie

Tim McGarveyPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Napa, CA
  • Posts 68
  • Votes 57

Welcome @Mohammed Shujauddin! I agree that Raleigh is a great area to invest. What are some goals you have with your first investment? There are dozens (possibly hundreds) of strategies to use to make profitable investments. Narrowing down your goals help will you match up the correct strategy with the possible cities, budgets, financing, exit strategies, etc to serve your needs. What specific questions do you have?

Post: How did you get started? Advice to newbies!

Tim McGarveyPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Napa, CA
  • Posts 68
  • Votes 57

@Shannon Glanton congrats on the start of your journey! This is a great place to learn and build confidence/knowledge. I started by journey in 2015 by reading the BP books, forums, and listening the podcasts. I did a house hack on a 4-unit property in Oakland, CA on a FHA loan for my first investment. It was intimidating to get started in an ultra competitive market but I found my "unfair advantage" was my flexibility to live in a up-and-coming area, put a low down payment on it, and add value myself. I made a few mistakes along the way but it ended up being the best purchase I'll ever made become of the experience/confidence I gained though the process.

Post: Where should I invest

Tim McGarveyPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Napa, CA
  • Posts 68
  • Votes 57

@Harrison Haynes I'm located in CA as well (Napa) and have been investing out of state in North Carolina for several years. We initially selected the Raleigh-Durham market due to population growth, high paying job growth, landlord/development friendliness. We've also found there are opportunities for all types of investors whether seeking cash flow or higher appreciation areas. We've been doing a lot of textbook BRRRR deals lately within an hour of Raleigh

Post: Finding a Mentor in the Raleigh Durham Area

Tim McGarveyPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Napa, CA
  • Posts 68
  • Votes 57

Hey Henry,

Congrats on getting started on your real estate journey so early. I've found the best way to find mentors is to bring value to people. I'd start with identifying some local investors you are impressed by or are interested in their business model. If you don't have any experience in real estate, it might start with helping with them with marketing, paperwork, driving for dollars, inspecting properties, etc. If you can bring immediate value to something specific, I'd reach out letting them know how you'd be able to help.

Most successful investors are busy and value every second of time, so you're unlikely to find someone that will carve out time to teach you if there is nothing in return for them. Once you can prove yourself, the mentorship can take an organic or more formal form from there.

Post: Looking to Connect with Investors in Raleigh, NC

Tim McGarveyPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Napa, CA
  • Posts 68
  • Votes 57

Welcome @Aleksey G.! I house hacked my first deal as well and it provided so many valuable lessons. As well as allowed me to level up to bigger deals. There's a great Raleigh-Durham group here on BP - don't hesitate to reach out with specific questions.

Post: Where do we invest near RTP in current situation

Tim McGarveyPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Napa, CA
  • Posts 68
  • Votes 57

@Karthik Arun your budget should depend on your investment goals. You mention appreciation potential, which has been a huge upside of investing in Raleigh, Cary, Apex, etc the past several years. Between the housing shortages and job growth many investors are expecting prices to continue to go up, but this is not guaranteed. You'll have a hard time cash flowing on a SFH in Cary/Apex/Morrisville ($1900 rents vs $600k purchase price will just never add up) assuming you're taking on debt to finance it. Many people will bet or speculate on these cities moving forward, based on reasonable assumptions (Apple), but you may be limited on exit strategies if something changes in the world and pricing plateaus. Just understand your numbers and exit strategies - you will likely be losing some money each month while you wait for the appreciation. There are other cities 30-60 minutes outside of this core area that provide better immediate returns, although potentially less appreciation upside (Zebulon, Burlington, Fuquay).

Post: Approaching Multi-Family Offers with Limited Data

Tim McGarveyPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Napa, CA
  • Posts 68
  • Votes 57

Hey BP - I'm hoping to get some feedback on a project I'm rolling out shortly.

I have a list of multi-family properties (16-120 units) in multiple cities that I'm interested in purchasing in North Carolina, Tennessee, and Texas.

I want to present the owners with a preliminary offer to them based on only Co-Star and public record data I have on-hand (also have Propstream and Reonomy). I have not spoken with these owners and do not have information on rents, operating costs, conditions, etc

The goal is to present a ballpark figure via direct mail to gauge interest, initiate conversations, reduce tire-kicking, and have more productive conversations.

What is the best way to approach presenting a preliminary offer to a multi-family property owner before having spoken to them?

Some ideas I had were:

- Finding cost/door data for recent sales for each city

- Assuming NOI based on market rent data

Obviously each of these methods has limitations, but I'm curious on everyone's thoughts on the most accurate way to get a ballpark offer price, based on limited amount of information.

Any thoughts or ideas would be appreciated!