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All Forum Posts by: Timothy M.

Timothy M. has started 2 posts and replied 59 times.

Having a bit of a pickle here; my wife and I closed on a property remotely in Baltimore a week ago, and signed up with a PM company that we heard about from BP. It's been a week, and the PM is not super responsive; not a huge issue, I get it, people are busy, but... the PM hasn't even picked up the keys yet from our agent (??).

What would you do? We have been emailing repeatedly to get things started (mostly signing forms, sending voided check, etc.), but minimally picking up the keys to get photos to get the place rented out within a week is not an unreal expectation, is it? 

Post: Primary Residence Washington, DC House Hack

Timothy M.Posted
  • Arlington, VA
  • Posts 60
  • Votes 100

If your PITI is 2859, what's the PMI like...? Another 400 or so?

Post: Hitting a brick wall

Timothy M.Posted
  • Arlington, VA
  • Posts 60
  • Votes 100

@Lee Haenschen @Judy Parker

Judy, w/ all due respect, I believe you are incorrect, and Lee does not need to take out a commercial mortgage... he does have to take out an investment (read: not owner-occupied) residential loan, but rates for that should be much lower than 5.9% right now. I am not in your neck of the woods, but I am closing on a sub-100k mortgage around 5.75%.  Obviously, this rate would be lower if the mortgage value were higher, but if you're in the bank's sub-100k category, expect to pay probably 5.75%.

If your bank is telling you that you need their commercial lending division, they are wrong wrong wrong. Get the right terminology ("investment property mortgage, not owner occupied"), move on to a competitor, and get a better rate. Whether or not the .2% will make a difference is another story..

Post: THOUGHTS ON THIS 10 UNIT AND NUMBERS

Timothy M.Posted
  • Arlington, VA
  • Posts 60
  • Votes 100

How much lower did you go? If you said 250k, there's probably no meeting in the middle.  If you had said something like $315k, however, you could likely call back and say you have ran your numbers again and are willing to go... $X.  

(I don't know what that X is for you.) 

Does the deal work for you at $330k? $340k?

Post: How do I handle looking to young?

Timothy M.Posted
  • Arlington, VA
  • Posts 60
  • Votes 100

All these people talking about dressing the part and wearing suits... how often are you going suited up business meetings in real estate that you think it would matter what you wear?? I'm genuinely curious here. What are the specific circumstances where someone would care what you look like and wearing a suit would have a material impact on the outcome?

To the OP @Alexander Vasquez, I got started not much older than you, and literally nobody cared what I looked like.  Hell, most of the 'team' I worked with - broker, GC, loan officer, etc. - I have literally never met in person.

Post: Cashflow: BP most MISUNDERSTOOD term

Timothy M.Posted
  • Arlington, VA
  • Posts 60
  • Votes 100
Originally posted by @Kai Van Leuven:

@Michael Magnell I agree, @Llewelyn A. is picking up what I am laying down but I am not even talking about discounting cashflows for an IRR. I am talking about just cashflow. Like literally money coming in, and money going out. Not assigning a PV for it or anything.

W/ all due respect, I think this frankly only works on shorter hold periods - if you start to calculate out a five-ten year hold but don't factor in PV, the #s will look muuuuch different.

That said, I think - conceptually - your explanation is approachable for the vast majority of investors who just consider money in, money out.

Post: My First BRRRR in Baltimore

Timothy M.Posted
  • Arlington, VA
  • Posts 60
  • Votes 100
Originally posted by @Keenan Rusk:

I'm writing this post to track progress of my first attempt to BRRRR a property in Baltimore City (it is a length post). After two years of reading books, studying BiggerPockets, researching neighborhoods in Baltimore and saving money living at home, I'm happy to say that I've taken action and acquired my first property. My hope is that this will inspire someone else to take action and help inform of some of the nuances and headaches I've encountered thus far:

Property Details:

The property was a semi-detached 3 bedroom, 2 bathroom foreclosure (1200 sq. ft) located in the 21229 area code. 2 levels w/ basement, HVAC and wooden deck. It listed at $73,000, with most properties selling between $130k-$140k after repair within 0.5 mile radius. There was evidence of water damage in the basement (you could see mold on the drywall sections around the laundry room, baseboards separating from the wall, splintered doors, etc.) Everything else in the home appeared to be purely cosmetic.

Rationale for purchase:

Rents are good in this area ($1400 median rent for 3 br). The property appeared to have been updated (DIY job perhaps) with stainless appliances, granite countertops, new hardwood floors so that lowered my basis for rehab . There was a bonus room in the basement that I envisioned could be converted into a 4th legal bedroom, increasing the value of the home. Using "The Book of Estimating Rehab Costs," I roughly predicted the rehab would cost little more than $20,000. With an all-in cost of $105,000 (73,000+20,000 + ~12,000 in closing costs), this would meet my 75% of ARV criteria for the BRRRR strategy with >22% CoC return.

Before/During Contract (in order):

  • Set up my LLC and pre-qualified with Lima One Capital (HML)
  • Viewed the property with my agent and wrote an offer below asking w/ 10-day inspection contingency (unless you are sophisticated or plan to do a full gut renovation, DO NOT OMIT THIS, I was under contract for a property in Baltimore City prior to this one and I did not include the contingency to be competitive. Two days after the contract was ratified, squatters moved into the property and the bank told me there was nothing they could do. Fortunately, there was language in the purchase and sale agreement stating the home must be delivered in an unoccupied state and my EMD was returned.)
  • The property had multiple offers, so I gave my H&B offer at 77,000 with the same contingencies. The offer was accepted and I used the seller's title company since they agreed to cover all title-related closing costs.
  • Day 7 - had the home inspection completed. The only CAPEX expenditures needing replacement were the hot water heater (it was on it's last leg at 10 years old). The only utility on at the property was electric (no water, gas) so the other fixtures could not be inspected. The home inspector was also a contractor that my agent referred me to, so he completed the construction budget based on what he discovered. That amounted to $22,000 including 10% contingency. I moved forward with the purchase.
  • Day 8 - Ordered lead inspection with LeadProbe for $295. Because all of the interior surfaces had been painted over (albeit sloppily), there was no lead found inside the house. Exterior showed presence of chipping paint. I plan to go for the limited lead free cert at a minimum.
  • Day 10 - Appraisal ordered. The report he provided me showed a slightly lower post-rehab appraisal than I hoped for ($130,000). I inquired about the addition of a 4th legal bedroom - the appraiser told me that because the room is below grade, it would make little difference in the value. With that, I abandoned the expense of doing the work to make the basement room legal and adjusted my budget.
  • Day 11-15 (closing): I began soliciting bids from 4 other contractors for the work. One was referred by another agent friend, the other from BiggerPockets, and two from the local REIA list. The lender and title company were not really communicating with one another, so I took on the task of reaching out to each party and make sure that documents were being sent to the appropriate parties. I prepaid an annual Builder's Risk Policy with Luray Insurance. I retained an attorney recommended by another BiggerPockets member to review an Independent Contract Agreement I prepared for the rehab portion of the project.
  • Day 16 (closing): I received my final HUD for closing costs with a bit of sticker shock. Costs that I did not account for/underestimated (transfer taxes, ground rent redemption, crediting the seller for taxes already paid) showed up, but I became a homeowner.

Predicting the numbers using BP Calculator:

Purchase Price: $77,000

Rehab (financed using HML) : $22,140

Final Down Payment/Closing Costs:   $16,000

Total All In: $115,000

Assuming refinance at 75% appraisal:

Rent:  $1500

Mortgage after refinancing ($105k, 30 year, @7%):    -$593

Expenses (insurance, taxes, Capex, vacancy): -$570

Net Monthly Cash Flow:   $385

Equity: $35,000 w/ $10,000 left in the property

After closing:

  • The day of closing I went straight to Home Depot, picked up some cheap Kwikset locks and changed the locks on the house
  • Baltimore City requires you to register the property with the city within 10 days or they will fine you. I submitted the registration online, it was a fairly simple application.
  • Changed all utilities to my name and had the property de-winterized. Discovered the water pressure is low at the main value (~40 psi) and water is not made made it to some of the fixtures. Turned on the gas and verified the furnace and stove are working.
  • Continuing to collect bids for the rehab work

What I have learned thus far:

  • The hardest part of this process was getting started and overcoming fear. It feels good to be on the other side of the analysis paralysis.
  • Below-grade bedrooms do not matter from an appraisal standpoint and it is ok to have ( I would love for someone to confirm or refute that). 
  • My hard money lender required me to prepay for an annual (12-month) insurance policy. In addition, they required the property to be a "fee simple" transaction - the property has ground rent associated with it, so they required me to redeem it at closing. Those were additional expenses that I did not initially account for at closing. 
  • Contractors in Baltimore City are not the best communicators at all. It's somewhat surprising the amount of headache I've had before hiring anyone for the job.
  • "The Book on Estimating Rehab Costs" has been a tremendous help for me to ballpark the rehab costs for this project using various finishes.

My current challenges:

  • The appraisal came back lower than I expected, which will squeeze me for cash left in the deal at refinancing. This is the biggest risk with implementing this strategy as it depends heavily on the appraisal and your ability to refinance.
  • Many lenders that I've spoken with in Baltimore
  • My real estate agent lives closer to Washington DC than Baltimore, so he would have his assistant show me properties. I feel as though he lost interest in working with me as my ambitions changed from wanting to own my own primary residence to pursuing rentals. Communication became poor and I would rarely get a call back within reasonable time, which made this process more stressful for me as a first-time homebuyer.  I plan to pursue a new agent that wants to help me build. 
  • I have interviewed and solicited bids from four (4) contractors and they have not yet worked out for various reasons. 
    • Contractor 1 (my home inspector) does not carry an MHIC license and has lagged in communication with me despite providing the initial estimate and expressing interest in performing the work. 
    • Contractors 2 and 3 carried verifiable license and insurance, both knowledgeable and pointed out things my first contractor missed. Both had very poor communication with respect to bid turn around and answering questions and quoted me ridiculous prices for the rehab ( ~$36,000 for the work omitting HVAC and plumbing), most of what I deem cosmetic. As an example, I was quoted $5000 for interior paint, $4000 for exterior paint, and $4500 for refinishing cabinets - maybe they thought they could take advantage of me?). Contractor 3 told me it would take him 7-10 days to turn around a bid. I did not receive the bid until day 13. That same day, I submitted questions about the bid and have not received a call/email back.
    • Contractor 4 is licensed and insured, had great references, took notes and measurements during the walkthrough and was generally a better communicator. His estimate was slightly higher than the initial $22,000 bid I received but it was not unreasonable and he was willing to work with me on price. However, it seems to take days to send me information that he would promise within 24 hours (ehh, is this to be expected). Still ongoing discussions...

What I need to do next:

  • I am still seeking licensed, insured contractors that are interested in performing work. I would prefer not to GC the job myself since I work full-time, but I am desperate to get the project started at this point.
  • Determine what my long term strategy for keying the properties (master key vs. separate keys for each). I've read a lot of landlords are using LandlordLocks.com, but it seems like an expensive buy in. Need to do more research.
  • Prepare for the inevitable completion of this project and preparing to market it for rental. 

I plan to update this post as the project progresses and include my final SOW, but I am happy to answer any questions and welcome feedback from others. 

Keenan

 Hey Keenan, good work on diving in here. I'd be a little more conservative with your numbers, though. Specifically, I don't see any line item for property management.  Here's how I might figure your numbers:

Rent +1500

Mortgage -600

Tax -220

Insurance -60

Vacancy -120

Maintenance/Capex -200

Property Mgmt -150

___________________________

Total return plus or minus 150 a month; of course, you can manage on your own, but you shouldn't include it in your CoC returns, since it's a labor cost that you're injecting into your investment.

What part of town is this one in?

Post: Almost 500 houses ----> Multifamily

Timothy M.Posted
  • Arlington, VA
  • Posts 60
  • Votes 100
Originally posted by @Jason Bible:
Originally posted by @John Elias:

For someone looking to get started soon, if you had to redo it all again would you still start by wholesaling and flipping? I actually kind of want to follow the path you did. Flip at first then transition into rentals once i get some capital

I just closed this one with a partner.  He gets 9% interest and 30% equity.  Ill cash flow 900/month and have no money in the deal

Two things.

1) Is tax really that low? $100 / month seems awfully light.

2) Nothing put away for capex/repairs? Who pays for those...?

Originally posted by @Adam Britt:
Originally posted by @Timothy M.:

My man, @Adam Britt, you do notttt need to be in real estate right now.  

You say you and your wife have 100k in student loan debt?  Even if that debt is at 10-15% interest, what you two need to do right now is hustle with second jobs (or advance in your own career) to the point where you can pay off that anchor. Even if you have to 'eat' 15k in interest a year, surely you can - between the two of you - save $20k a year between your 9-5 and extra work on the weekends?  

That puts your worst-case scenario at about a 20 year payoff.  This is a much, much better plan than moving overseas and never coming home (did someone up in the thread earlier actually suggest that or am I taking crazy pills?). This is also if you NEVER refinance the debt - which you will certainly do at some point, taking it to a more 'comfortable' 6-8% and freeing up thousands per year in interest payments - so your payoff will be much, much quicker, I imagine.

Important - and perhaps uncomfortably direct - questions. You have said a number of times that your wife incurred this debt. Is she working?  Did/does she have a plan to contribute to paying it down? I think you said upstream that she is not as concerned by this debt as you are.  

Hang in there - now is not the time to start making crazy decisions like buying homes in the hood (which will contribute what, like $200 a month towards your bottom line?). Get a plan, buckle down, work an extra job, and you'll look back on this in < 10 years no worse for the wear, a little more grizzly but a lot wiser and ready to crush some RE.

ETA: I re-read upstream and see that you're already working on the weekends, My hat is off to you for the hard work, and from one internet stranger to another, I genuinely hope you are able to snag some raises in the near future with that work ethic.

Back to the more delicate matter I raised earlier - is your wife working...?

 An astute observation my friend. I like your style, your direct approach, and your sense of humor. 

My wife currently works part time. After being “downsized” twice from full time work. She is now working for about 400$ a month (for that same company ironically) while also chasing her dream of owning her own business. A business that has not born the fruit of financial profitability of yet. 

And so, you have uncovered an underlying psychosocial issue that further muddies the water. She could get a job elsewhere making 30-35k a year, like she did before. This would theoretically allow us to pay off debt easier. Or she could continue to pursue her long-time dream of building her creative floral business from the ground up... and we basically rely on my multiple job efforts for all consistent income and debt payment. 

I am definitely getting the raw end of the deal, but it comes down to this: Crush her dreams so we can pay off debt and I can fulfill my dreams of financial freedom? Or struggle alone to find creative ways to reach my dreams and goals while she also pursues hers ... that is the question. 

(To more directly answer a secondary question- she ended up with 75k in student loans for a useless bachelors degree that does not add any value at all to her work opportunities. Long story and not really important, because it is a good 20 years too late to do anything there. Thank the “Every student should go to college no matter the plan” mentality of parents of the previous generation.)

Ah, it is... as I unfortunately expected. :(

 I hear you loud and clear, my dude - you don't want to crush your wife's dreams, want her to succeed at her chosen avocation, etc.  But let me flip this around on you.  If you told her that she had to work not just one, but two jobs, just so that you could follow your passion in real estate, which may or may not pay off, and in the meantime you'll be putting only about 5k a year towards the family bottom line... my man, she would leave you.  Rightfully so, IMHO.  Why is it any different if it's her following her dream but you're the one breaking their back at multiple jobs?

Honestly, if she could pull 30-35k a year right now, you two could be out of this debt problem IN FIVE OR SIX YEARS, TOPS.  I feel like I have to shout that at you!! (Lovingly, of course!) Your first post has you worried that youll literally never get out of the hole, and all along, the "secret" is just... for her to work a job for a few years before trying to get her dream business off the ground?

At this point - respectfully - I posit that this is a question not meant for a RE forum, but probably best for a relationship advice column. The problem in front of you is very, very manageable... if your spouse works.  If she doesn't work, you two are sunk. Sounds like you may have some very frank conversations ahead of you.

Genuinely, with not even a hint of irony, I am pulling for you, bro. Good luck.

My man, @Adam Britt, you do notttt need to be in real estate right now.  

You say you and your wife have 100k in student loan debt?  Even if that debt is at 10-15% interest, what you two need to do right now is hustle with second jobs (or advance in your own career) to the point where you can pay off that anchor. Even if you have to 'eat' 15k in interest a year, surely you can - between the two of you - save $20k a year between your 9-5 and extra work on the weekends?  

That puts your worst-case scenario at about a 20 year payoff.  This is a much, much better plan than moving overseas and never coming home (did someone up in the thread earlier actually suggest that or am I taking crazy pills?). This is also if you NEVER refinance the debt - which you will certainly do at some point, taking it to a more 'comfortable' 6-8% and freeing up thousands per year in interest payments - so your payoff will be much, much quicker, I imagine.

Important - and perhaps uncomfortably direct - questions. You have said a number of times that your wife incurred this debt. Is she working?  Did/does she have a plan to contribute to paying it down? I think you said upstream that she is not as concerned by this debt as you are.  

Hang in there - now is not the time to start making crazy decisions like buying homes in the hood (which will contribute what, like $200 a month towards your bottom line?). Get a plan, buckle down, work an extra job, and you'll look back on this in < 10 years no worse for the wear, a little more grizzly but a lot wiser and ready to crush some RE.

ETA: I re-read upstream and see that you're already working on the weekends, My hat is off to you for the hard work, and from one internet stranger to another, I genuinely hope you are able to snag some raises in the near future with that work ethic.

Back to the more delicate matter I raised earlier - is your wife working...?