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All Forum Posts by: Tim Soto

Tim Soto has started 10 posts and replied 126 times.

Post: Commercial Property with 100% Financing but Not Cash-flowing

Tim Soto
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  • Realtor
  • Ventura County, CA
  • Posts 126
  • Votes 61

"But the seller was firm on his price ($1.4M), yet he did agree to let me take over payments of the existing balance ($990K) and he would carry the difference with no interest or payments until I can cash him out. "

Hi Jarrett,

Yes, we agreed on a sales price of $1.4M. There is an existing mortgage with a balance of $990K. I purchase the property at the $1.4M price "Subject-to" the existing mortgage (take over payments), in which case, seller Deed's property over to me and I record deed. I know some may be concerned about the "Due on Sales" clause in the mortgages, but I have yet to have a lender exercise that right. We then draft a subordinate note for the remaining balance with no interest or payments, to be due at agreed upon date (notarize and record). With this agreement, after stabilizing the property, I can go to a lender as an owner, as opposed to a buyer and get approve for 75-80% refinance and cash seller out. Of course, you would have to know the ARV ahead of time. Let me know if i missed anything else or if you have any other questions.

Post: Commercial Property with 100% Financing but Not Cash-flowing

Tim Soto
Posted
  • Realtor
  • Ventura County, CA
  • Posts 126
  • Votes 61

Thanks for your responses Adam and Joel. You guys made some great points. I will, most likely, list the property for the seller. Sorry for the delay with my response.

Post: Commercial Property with 100% Financing but Not Cash-flowing

Tim Soto
Posted
  • Realtor
  • Ventura County, CA
  • Posts 126
  • Votes 61

I recently had a Letter Of Intent (LOI) accepted by a very motivated seller, who responded to one of my Direct Mail letters, and is willing to finance 100% of the purchase price. We were about to finalize the contract and open escrow until the property's existing income and expense situation changed. I had a primary exit strategy in mind, but due to the change in income, I'm considering changing course and would like some feedback to see which exit strategy works best for me in this situation.

This commercial property is a 10,115 square foot multi-tenant office building in the Los Angeles area, which is positioned in a great location with great exposure. The existing tenants are long-term and consist(ed) of a pharmacy, medical clinic, dentist, law firm, bail bondsman, and 4,000+ of vacant space. Although I noticed some obsolescence, in regards to the reason the vacancies were never filled, it doesn’t have much of a deferred maintenance problem. It was just heavily mismanaged.

At the time of acceptance, the property was barely breaking even:

GOI: $122,400

Expenses: $39,800

NOI: $82,600

Mortgage: $80,400

Cash flow: $2,200/Yr

Although the seller agreed to finance 100% of the purchase price, I suggested that I purchase it “Subject-to” the existing financing and just take over payments, due to the lack of positive cash-flow. But the seller was firm on his price ($1.4M), yet he did agree to let me take over payments of the existing balance ($990K) and he would carry the difference with no interest or payments until I can cash him out.

Upside: The seller purchased the property over 10 years ago for $1.4M and has never increased rents, fill vacancies, or off-set expenses to improve the value and Net Operating Income.

Exit Strategy #1: Buy & Hold. My primary exit strategy is to stabilize the property and raise the value, then refinance to cash out the seller and hold this property for long-term cash flow. My plan is to start raising rents and negotiate with existing tenants on 3 year leases, with extension options and incremental rent increases to catch up with the parity of market lease rates.

I know some may think that I could be scaring the tenants away by raising rents, passing along the expenses, and adding incremental rent increases to the leases, but the good thing about this situation is that the tenants have been there for a long time (30+ years) and have established themselves at this location. It would be more costly to pick up and move to a new location, which may demand more per square foot and maybe need tenant build-out. And, taking into consideration that they've already made a killing throughout the years with low rent costs to their bottom line, I don't think raising rents a little at a time is going to scare them away. I also plan to cure the vacancies by getting them rent ready and marketing the property for new leases. In addition, I want to gradually off-set expenses by putting them into the leases and having the tenants pay for their own utilities, insurance, and maybe even their portion of the taxes over time. Eventually, I will want to have this property as a NNN lease or Absolute Net lease property with practically no or very little management required.

Exit Strategy #2: Stabilize and Flip. My second exit strategy would be to sell the property at a reasonable cap rate of 7.5% after filling vacancies. Filling the 4,000+ sqft of vacancies at $1.50/sqft (market rate: $2.20/sqft) would bring the total NOI to $145,000, which at a 7.5% Cap rate, would increase the value and sales price to about $1,940,000 for a quick sale. I would be able to pay off my seller $1.4M and be left with remaining net proceeds of about $400,000 for the next deal. Estimated timeline for this exit strategy is 12-24 months.

Exit Strategy #3: List For Sale on MLS. My final exit strategy, if I have to sell fast, is to use the Pro forma and list the property on the MLS for a quick sale. This strategy may generate substantially less of a profit, but it can be a quick turnaround.

So these were my three exit strategies prior to finalizing the deal, then I recently got the bad news that the dental office has vacated due to retirement. No heads up during two months of negotiating. I found out during my physical inspection. Good thing that it's only $700/month loss in income, but I think it prevents me from going with strategy 1 or 2, because then I'll have to eat about $600/month until I can fill these vacancies. The bad part about the vacant space from the dentist is that it's suited for a dentist. Otherwise, I'll have to demo and present it in a vanilla box, which can get expensive. I'm using my own capital reserves for these types of issues and "just in case sh*t happens." I was also considering bringing on a JV equity partner in case I ran out of reserves from the costs of tenant improvements, tenant leasing, deferred maintenance, and/or unforeseen expenses. I am heavily considering just listing the property and using the Pro forma and location to market its potential for a quick sale and profit.

So what do you all think? Any feedback is greatly appreciated. I hope I was thorough and concise, and not all over the place. Excuse the mixing of past and current tense (is/was) because I'm still undecided. Did I miss anything?

Post: New Member from Southern California

Tim Soto
Posted
  • Realtor
  • Ventura County, CA
  • Posts 126
  • Votes 61
Geoff Woods, Welcome to the BP community. I'm sure you'll find this awesome platform resourceful. Good Luck! Tim

Post: Pre-MLS properties from a real estate agent?

Tim Soto
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  • Realtor
  • Ventura County, CA
  • Posts 126
  • Votes 61
Yes, they're called pocket listings for regular sales. Not sure if this is the case with pocket listings in other states though. But not for institutional REO listings. REO's must be listed for a certain amount of days on the MLS by the listing agent, and all offers are to be reviewed by the institutional seller.

Post: Is it smart to get your first property if you don't have downpayment money? Can it be done?

Tim Soto
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  • Realtor
  • Ventura County, CA
  • Posts 126
  • Votes 61
You don't need to "just jump in" to start in this business. Although, I would suggest you start saving, and after 6-12 months, maybe you'll have enough for at least a deposit or reserves. In my opinion and based on my experiences, you always want to have reserves for "just in case sh*t happens". You can also be an apprentice for an investor or contractor in your area in your spare time. That'll give you experience, education, and extra money to put away. I agree with one of the prior comments that you should continue to educate yourself as well. Study creative financing techniques. If you're working with limited funds, focus on seller financing and/or finding great deals for investors in your area. You don't necessarily need a down payment when you're acquiring a property with seller financing, but you better know what you're talking about and know how to structure the deal. I just acquired a 10,000+ sqft medical/office in Los Angeles with 100% seller financing, but it's probably going to turn into a Subject-to the existing financing deal due to management inefficiencies. If you know how to solve problems and build rapport, you can buy a property with limited funds. Good luck!

Post: Old to Geology / Real Estate Agency, New to Real Estate Investment

Tim Soto
Posted
  • Realtor
  • Ventura County, CA
  • Posts 126
  • Votes 61

Hi Ernest,

Welcome to the BP community. There're rehab opportunities with issues in your area of expertise that scare buyers away and will give you a great advantage. Good Luck!

Tim

Post: What to put in lease to protect Landlord for multiple Renters

Tim Soto
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  • Realtor
  • Ventura County, CA
  • Posts 126
  • Votes 61

You may also want to put some language in your lease to prevent the residents form subleasing to others. Whenever I rent to multiple primary tenants, as in this case, I am adamant in collecting each individual's rent through direct deposit to prevent issues that could and do arise.

Post: New to commercial RE matters, trying to find info on an auction for a foreclosed commercial building

Tim Soto
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  • Realtor
  • Ventura County, CA
  • Posts 126
  • Votes 61
Try Auction.com which handles a majority of the property foreclosure auctions nationwide. Also check if it is being advertised on LoopNet.com, in the distressed category. You may also want to google the property address, and see most recent information regarding the property, including possible auction information. Good luck!

Post: Analyzing commercial properties

Tim Soto
Posted
  • Realtor
  • Ventura County, CA
  • Posts 126
  • Votes 61

The Net Operating Income (NOI) is one of the most important variables used for value. The value of commercial real estate is bases on the income it generates. If you have the NOI, figure how much of a return you want on your investment, then that's the highest you should pay for the property (assuming you payed cash and own the property free and clear). I use it as the fastest way to assess value. Example: Current NOI is $100,000 the purchase price is $1,000,000 and the cap rate is 10%. this means that you're ok with 10% return if you were to pay all cash for this property?

NOI: $100,000/Cap rate: .10 = Value: $1,000,000

The property's vacancy rate is another equation that can be used to determine current & potential value. The more vacancies there are, the lower the value. If its 90%-100% occupied, there’s no future value, unless you’re getting it at an insane rock-bottom price with rock-bottom rents. If it's 50%-70% vacant, then there’s tremendous upside and value. The pro forma (potential) income from those vacancies can be used to evaluate the actual value of the property and the future value. I like vacancies, because I don’t pay for them. I can use this data to justify a lower offer based on the vacancies that I have to cure myself. Why would I pay for the work that I have to do, i.e. get the units rent ready and going through the tenant leasing process? If I’m going to go through that process, then it’s going to be my forced appreciation. Only use pro forma as an owner, never as a buyer.

In regards to price per unit, it's something to verify. Two properties may have the same price per unit, yet have totally different unit mixes, which is a huge deal. It’s always preferred that the ratio be more 2/1’s than 1/1’s. It’s more marketable to the masses and less likely to have higher turnover rate.

This was just my quick personal assessment based on my experience. If I wasn't clear on something or if there's additional questions, please feel free to respond or correct me. hope this was helpful.