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All Forum Posts by: V.G Jason

V.G Jason has started 15 posts and replied 3166 times.

Post: Buying rental with negative cashflow for the first 3 years

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Quote from @Luciano Suehara:

Hi everyone, new member here and I'd like the opinion from the experts. 

Im currently looking to purchase rental property and Im using the BiggerPockets tools (Rental Property calculator and Rent Estimator) to understand if it makes sense or not. 

I've ran some simulations and the properties are showing negative cashflow (-1% -2%) for the first 3 years, but then after year 3, things start to go back up with positive cashflow.

I wonder if it make sense to take this risk, buy the home (with 20% down), maybe refinance later on (considering that the rates will go down) and eventually improve the cashflow?

Any strategy that you guys recommend in this case or better wait for the right opportunity?

Thanks


 If it's your first property, and you're buying this under your name and you intend to buy more do note that a negative cash flow may impact you when you go for lending again. Why after year 3? Are you speculating rates will go down by then?

If it's 1-2% negative cash flow, there's ways around that. You got to ask for a lower price, closing costs covering, temporary buy down. Something-- to get it barely positive, there's going to be a lot of avenues and soon enough a lot more of a market to where you can dictate that.

Quote from @Anthony Dooley:

I don't recommend the BP calculators because they over complicate a relatively simple math problem. I recommend using the same exact method that Grant Cardone does on a white board on his older videos. I also like how Matt Theriault anaylizes deals on Epic Real Estate youtube channel. Hint: Cap Ex is not applicable to a single family house and it is not an actual expense. Cap Ex is financial planning method to cover future expenses that haven't actually happened yet. BP overstates this category, which is mainly applicable in a commercial setting, like paving a parking lot or a roof on a grocery store.

It's absolutely an expense for a SFR. Go do your month to month calcs and never take out capex allocation. If you got a house thats 15 years old +, you'll lose all your profit when you replace that roof. You also got to cover appliances, likely. Dishwasher, fridge, stove, roof, electrical, plumbing are huge expenses that if you do not properly allocate for can wipe all your "profit" out. You can state it's a future expense, but so is vacancy. Do you not account for that? And who cares if it's a future expense? It's still an expense. It's money out, that's what matters.

Post: Reserves in Stocks a bad idea?

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Quote from @Luke Doyle:

Hey! 

I was just wondering what everyone thinks about keeping your reserves in a 60/40 stock/bond portfolio? Maybe having a slightly larger amount of reserves than normal to be able to withstand any sort of downturn?


let me know what you think! Thanks 


For personal savings, I don't see too much of a risk of doing a small percentage of your savings in something that's going with the market(for better or worse). Like 5-20% depending on how you're set up. For asset or business reserves, straight cash + line of credit. I'd keep 6 months of bills(PITI + utilities + any monthly fee) + 1 capex expense per asset($10-20k).

Post: Property 8, 100% financed

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What's the language for the investors? Do they have a minimum period for hold, or a time period they must withdraw ahead of time(like if they want to be paid end of Q1, they must state that by end of Q4). When's the exit period? You're literally just a run on from being wiped. Yes banks can do that, but they also got FDIC insurance behind that'll get involved and a lot more. You have houses you'd have to liquidate.

Are your investors aware you're reserving 20% of total funds, have they seen the balance sheet?

With house prices dropping & rates increasing, I'm quite confident if they'd get a look they may hit the withdraw button. Now hopefully you don't have anything capex wise happen too especially in this Panhandle area with weather coming in. Otherwise, your investors will wipe your 20% reserves out and you'll be force to liquidate the houses to get proceeds over. Your strategy has a lot of holes in it, you're basically leveraged 80% on illiquid assets that are coming down as rates are going up, and hoping you can see it through it with nobody asking for money basically? If you do, you'll do well. I don't think significantly well to bare this risk, but that's your call.


As for the language for investors, below is the 1-page summary of the 61-page PPM. No minimum hold time. If you want to put money in one day and take it out the next, that's fine by me. A single day of interest is cheap to pay and I'm happy to build relationships with clients simple by providing good service. No specific exit period. This is a savings account service. Yes, my investors are aware I run a fractional reserve investment bank that is ultimately personally guaranteed only by my worldwide assets. But these assets are substantial and sufficient to provide a meaningful level of safety. To be very clear, I can afford to cash out (through cash, credit, and stocks) all of my investors without selling a single house.

As for rates, all of my mortgages are 30-year fixed. The inflationary environment we live is has so far put upward pressure on rents. And yes, I share much more than my balance sheet with investors. W-2s, tax returns, the lot. My net worth is multiples my total debt obligation to clients, I run my business conservatively. 

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Account Terms and Conditions

Maximum balance: $1.5M

The borrower agrees to provide a bank account service to the lender paying 8% per annum, with interest calculated and credited daily at midnight PST via balance(t+1) = balance(t) * (1.08)^(1/365). The account shall operate according to the following terms and conditions. Some of these conditions can lead to the account switching to a penalty interest rate of 25% per annum.

1) The funds in the account are secured with full recourse to the worldwide assets of the borrower, no matter how indirect the ownership structure is, no exceptions.

2) Deposits and withdrawals can only be made electronically to ensure unambiguous dates of transactions and secure transfers.

3) The lender can initiate a deposit by performing an electronic transfer to the borrower's account.

4) The date of deposit will be the date of receipt of funds listed on the borrower's bank statement.

5) If the received deposit would take the lender's account balance over the maximum balance, this deposit shall be returned in full within 7 days during which no interest will accrue on these funds. Failure to do so will result in the lender's account switching to the penalty interest rate and the deposit posting to the lender's account 7 days after receipt until the excess deposit is returned.

6) The lender can initiate a withdrawal at any time by sending an email requesting funds. Interest shall continue to accrue until these funds are sent. The funds must be sent within 7 days of the email requesting withdrawal. Failure to do so will result in the lender's account switching to the penalty interest rate until the funds are sent.

7) Transactions, interest, and current balance shall be provided via an online portal.

8) There shall be no fees or transaction limits associated with the account.


9) The borrower has the right to close the account at any time by sending all owed funds.

10) Even in the event of death or incapacitation of the borrower, this contract gives the lender full recourse to the borrower's estate, even after transfer to other beneficiaries of the estate, without exception or limitation.

 so this is one they can exit. why would you say differently?

Post: Property 8, 100% financed

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@Austin Fowler

thanks for the explanation, I was confused as applied to single properties, but I think what you're saying is that you take money from investors and invest it in a portfolio of SFHs.  you don't say "i need $X for a down payment for house A, and i'll pay you back strictly out of the cash flow of house A."  instead, you invest the aggregated funds.  is that accurate?

and you said most investors don't want a monthly payment - so when do they exit?  say, 5 years - and they get their principal back plus the interest?

 That's correct, investor funds are pooled and used buy a portfolio of assets. A Stairway 8% savings account isn't an investment that you exit. It's where you put cash that is not currently committed to a better deal. People use it as such. Maybe someone builds up their balance to $50k-$100k then makes a significant drawdown to purchase an asset. Maybe someone uses it as a place to store funds set aside for a rainy day. It's a tool. And a tool that comes with total access to all of the details of all the assets that back the fund, education on how to acquire similar assets, and all the infrastructure and legals to enable you to build a similar pool of clients and raise capital for yourself.

If you are interested in learning more, or leveraging the infrastructure I have built, please message me.

 What? It's not an investment that you exit? It's for a rainy day fund or a significant draw down to buy an asset--that's an exit, no?

If your investors all wanted their money back today, what's stopping them?


 Nothing stops all investors withdrawing all their money at once. I have sufficient cash, credit, and liquid stocks to satisfy such an event without selling a single house. Fractional reserve banking has existed for over 350 years. It's a sound business model I didn't invent.


 You're not a bank. Fractional reserve banking doesn't apply for you. I think that's what you're missing here.

How much of the investors initial capital covers the 33 houses you bought? 

Post: JPMorgan is about to spend $1 billion, hundreds of homes to rent

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This Federal Reserve of St. Louis chart shows Historical homeownership. As someone pointed out, $1B does not make much of a dent in the housing industry. Maybe 100 or 500 times that. Maybe. American Homes for Rent, per their last 10-Q, has $12.2B (Billion) in single family homes that they use as rentals, up almost a Billion from last year. Granted, AH4R isn't doing build-to-rent, but they did buy new homes off MLS when they started buying in Raleigh back in 2012. The second image shows the first few houses AH4R bought... bank owned and new construction sitting on the market for a long time, because back then (only 10 years ago) there was a ton of inventory on the market. So, to summarize my view, the article is a big yawn. Homeownership rates will bounce around, but the US is hardly going to become a renter nation.


 Renter nation out of context means nothing. In the 25-54 demographic, it's everything. That's only going up.

Post: Is it time to jump ship?

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If the tenants were legally evicted and keep breaking in, set up camera, simple security alarm and call the police.  They are breaking and entering plain and simple.

Talk to a real estate agent and sell it.


 Agreed, though they'll probably steal the cameras too smh


 If the images are uploaded to the cloud, then it won't matter...you will have that recorded as well.  Other option is pay a security service to set up shop inside and bust them when they come in.


 Bust them and do what, lay hands? You're just creating a bigger mess. Cut your losses, get some legal advice on what you need to do with your property and property management. Don't create more issues. Sell, if I was you I would creatively sell--offer seller financing. You likely locked in 3%-ish, offer 6% or 1-2% less than market. See if someone bites to give you more value for the house but you even state you'd make small profit. That should be good enough, this isn't worth the baggage at all.


 They are breaking and entering.  Call the cops once they enter and let the police deal with it.


 And what would police do, if they even show up on time for this? Literally nothing to solve the issue the OP has stated. 

Post: Is it time to jump ship?

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If the tenants were legally evicted and keep breaking in, set up camera, simple security alarm and call the police.  They are breaking and entering plain and simple.

Talk to a real estate agent and sell it.


 Agreed, though they'll probably steal the cameras too smh


 If the images are uploaded to the cloud, then it won't matter...you will have that recorded as well.  Other option is pay a security service to set up shop inside and bust them when they come in.


 Bust them and do what, lay hands? You're just creating a bigger mess. Cut your losses, get some legal advice on what you need to do with your property and property management. Don't create more issues. Sell, if I was you I would creatively sell--offer seller financing. You likely locked in 3%-ish, offer 6% or 1-2% less than market. See if someone bites to give you more value for the house but you even state you'd make small profit. That should be good enough, this isn't worth the baggage at all.

Post: Mortgage Loan Question - Vacation home North Carolina

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Hi thank you for the reply! They aren’t up front, part of the closing costs. Yes, I have a loan estimate. When he explained them to me he said they weren’t optional buy down points and that they were required. If I wanted to buy down the rate it would be on top of these point charges. It comes to 1.75% of the loan. Yes, this is a second/vacation home loan. 

Yeah closing costs are usually 1-5% of the loan.

Post: Mortgage Loan Question - Vacation home North Carolina

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Quote from @Christina Kinard:

Hello!

I am under contract on a vacation property (10% down) & looking to lock in with a lender. The current lender we got rates from is telling me that they require a percent of the loan up front kind of like buy down points and that its required because the mortgage companies know that people will be refinancing soon. My loan cost illustration has it listed as "Loan Discount Fee". This is about 1.75% and I am still being quoted 8.1% rate since this is second home. I am wondering if this sounds accurate or if i should look at getting another lenders quote. I am under contract so I need to figure out asap.


Appreciate any advice!!

Actual closing costs fees or legit buy down points you didn't want?

Post: Property 8, 100% financed

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@Austin Fowler that savings account is an interesting concept! That’s the first I’ve heard that being used. Great job! I’m trying to structure similar deals!

What do you think the reason is, as to why it's the first time you've heard it being used?
Most definitely because it is a very unique structure. Far more complex than what I’d want to get into. To be clear, I’m looking to structure more 100% financed deals. Not savings account deals

 You can do that. You just have to find the investors, and understand how to manage the risk for them. It's not free money for you to speculate on, you'll get tore up if you play like a kid in the sandbox. If you want to do 100% financed, go find some individuals with the cash to invest, go find properties that you could make them money on, show them how. Get the proper legal, financial set ups and execute it. It's going to be a lot harder in this environment.

And fyi, these aren't "savings" accounts deals. There's 80% of savings missing and/or illiquid.


 Most definitely, that’s why I love reading threads like this because there are so many different options to finance deals and create wealth.

And I didn’t mean that disrespectfully or anything, just using simple terms

If you haven't realized, this isn't one of them.