All Forum Posts by: Zachary Clevenger
Zachary Clevenger has started 6 posts and replied 73 times.
Post: Is Pace Morby a Scam?

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- Bargersville, IN
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Quote from @David Hori:
I've been vetting gurus to determine where an investment would return the greatest ROI. Many gurus dangle their network, trainings and resources but few deliver real value. Fewer still actually show-up to deliver the value in-person.
Pace was the only one I encountered who showed up live, who is living these deals out every day and consistently finding ways to deliver (increasing) value to his community. The quality of people in his community is exceptional - yes there are world class experts, yes they hustle and are brilliant. But what's most compelling is that he's managed to curate a group of people who also care for each other and care about HOW they conduct business. They're not out to just make money, but take care of homeowners, business owners, partners, etc and their well-being.
Real estate investing wasn't on my radar - my focus is business acquisition, but once I encountered the Subto community and saw for myself how much they were willing to extend to me for free, I had complete confidence in making the investment.
Peace of mind with such an investment does not come cheap for me... I lost my job in July. I'm living off of cash reserves and burning through it - there is a well dry date looming on the horizon. I'm confident in the value that Pace is creating and what the Subto Community is delivering every day.
I cannot attest to him or his character, only what I have personally experienced. I have attended several local SubTo meetups and walk away everytime meeting excellent people that care for one-another. From what the organizer tells me, Pace keeps a tight hold on the quality, organization, and methods, of how the area leaders should function.
I will continue to attend them and build those networks because I feel I get value from them, not only from an investment standpoint, but from a knowledge and growth one as well.
Post: HELOC On Investment Property

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- Bargersville, IN
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- Votes 46
Quote from @Vitaliy Zima:
Hello,
I moved out of my house 5 years ago and have a big chunk of equity sitting in it. I don't want to refinance because cash flow is great on that home and I have the home locked at 4% interest rate with 20yrs left to pay if off. I was thinking of opening a heloc on that home but as far as I understand when opening a heloc my DTI will be reviewed by the lender --- I have an atrocius DTI so I was wondering if there are lenders that offer no doc helocs on investment properties or if there are other options I may not be thinking of?
Thanks,
Vitaliy
Vitaliy,
Unfortunately you will be limited on "what" you can do with the equity. Typical routes are cash-out, HELOC, HELOAN, DSCR-H, or sell.
Nearly all of those are going to require you to tap into your DTI, personal finances, etc., which makes them unattractive to you. If the property was paid off (free & clear designation) you could pursue a DSCR-H (heloc aka no doc) but this type requires 1st lien, hence not an option.
Post: HELOC recommendations and advice

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- Bargersville, IN
- Posts 78
- Votes 46
First question, when you say "inherited" is this free and clear meaning no mortgage?
Post: Speed vs. Rates: What Matters More for Investors?

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- Bargersville, IN
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- Votes 46
The key is... run the numbers. If it pencils out at at higher APR, then the refinance rate is a moot point.
Speed...
Post: How to go about loans when first purchasing?

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- Bargersville, IN
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First time home buyer for sure. You can go the FHA loan if you desire, has a lower down payment threshold at 3.5%. BUT.... that puts you PMI. So you'd be paying a small amount per month until you meet 20% in equity of the property.
There are other programs as well, but that is generally the best path forward.
Do you have enough saved to put 20% down? Are you pre-qualified for a loan? Yes -for how much? No -I'd do this ASAP.
Post: Airbnb does it again

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- Bargersville, IN
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I have not delved into the world of STRs...yet. I hate to read these types of things, repeatedly.
If it were not for the massive exposure they offer I'm sure everyone would just be directing to their perspective links.
Post: Commercial property lending

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- Bargersville, IN
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- Votes 46
I would verify with various lenders...
Typically what I have seen is to be considered "mixed-use" the subject property has to have 50%+ of residential occupancy (non-business). Look around and ask questions.
Post: Buying rental properties out of state

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- Bargersville, IN
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Quote from @Cesar Coronado:
Hi everyone!
I was wondering if I could get some guidance or pointers here. My father and I are looking to get into a venture in real estate, and have been looking at buying and renting properties out of state. We live in California and prices here are a bit too much to comfortably take the risk. We are looking at states like Ohio and Illinois and planning to either do section 8 rentals or just general renting. Is section 8 still a viable option, and if so, what should I be aware of? Other than the fact that you're taking a risk with renters if you don't do your due diligence.
The numbers add up, the property we are looking at is 70k, and would take a 25% down payment of 17.5k. It's 3 bed and 1.5 bath and is fully renovated. The loan may be about 733 a month, and we can hopefully expect a rent of ~1400 a month from section 8. Assuming a property manager charges us 10% of that, that brings us to a total monthly cost of ~900 a month given small repairs and such.
The numbers feel good, but I'm just afraid they feel too good to be true. Has anyone here entered this type of market and can provide some wisdom and knowledge for us? I would greatly appreciate it!
For instance you mentioned finding a property for $70k. On paper that sounds fantastic. But what does the property need? What kind of tenants will you attract? What will appreciation and upside look like? How about the neighborhood and surrounding areas -this affects all the previously mentioned.
Just some things to consider.
Post: Being Offered a Heloc but with an extra request

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- Bargersville, IN
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Quote from @Ludwig Taveras:
Thank you very much for your rapid response Zachary, yes that is what I though like what is the point on me grabbing this heloc when it will be working as a HEL.... I also though about grabbing the heloc but with that condition I'm not really liking it since I don't get the point of doing that
What are you trying to achieve? Just looking to pull out the $40k? You can send me a DM if you wanna discuss anything.
Post: Being Offered a Heloc but with an extra request

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- Bargersville, IN
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Quote from @Ludwig Taveras:
Good afternoon, I'm currently working with a lender that is offering me a HELOC loan, but he's telling me that once I get approved, they will disburse the entire amount of the Heloc to one of my account and that I should pay back the amount that I won't use (Heloc limit is 100k he wants to deposit everything on my account and then is I only need 40k I'm being told to pay 60k back and not close the account for six months for them to get paid their commission is this a standard practice ?just asking since I'm new on this and I'm really liking the numbers I'm being offered, but this raised some concerns because it it looks kind a weird practice so I antes to get someone's advise.
I disagree with this recommended "practice". You do what is best for you.
Also, that is not a HELOC but a HEL (home equity loan). HEL does exactly what he is telling you, dumps the entire lump sum into your account. There are pros and cons to these just like HELOCs.
With a HEL it is typically a fixed rate, which is a good thing. You get the entire lump sum, but then you pay for that entire lump sum. No flexibility.
A HELOC offers more flexibility but comes at a cost. Its flexible in the sense you pull out what you need when you need it. So, you need $40k, pull out $40K. Need more? Pull out more... BUT... the interest rates are typically higher AND adjustable. That is the downside.
I personally use HELOCs, have for over a decade. I prefer the flexibility and can accept the added/variable APR.
If you've got anymore questions please feel free to reach out!