Squatter Shot and Killed by Police

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Originally posted by @Colleen F. :

@Lynnette E. there is no saying if she takes the gun everywhere but if someone had complained about the threats with a gun the police could have taken action specific to the gun  prior to eviction.  I guess no one but the landlord complained and the action had to take the form of an eviction. 

@Jay Hinrichs I wonder how many people will last in those park ranger positions. I think they will be hard to fill. I am all for some reform to policing but its more about setting the right standards and  teaching de-escalation techniques then taking away any weapons. 

 @Marian Smith not sure gun control is controlling the guns you want controlled. These kind of people for the most part don't get guns through legal channels. 

 I am not sure if you every lived in a place that had an unstable person, but many are afraid of taking action against the person because they are pretty likely to retaliate.  This would be especially true when sharing an apartment building where there are common halls, elevators, etc. and the other residents know that she can not be evicted yet.  Even if the police would take her gun, she could get another or use a knife, or whatever, but likely would not have been at a mental level to say, 'Oh, I was wrong.  I should not do that.'   Part of the reasons intercities do not have people report who did what violent thing.

@Eric Weldon-Schilling

She is a squatter.

If someone comes into my property without my invite or permission, I think I can defend myself and my property esp when she carries firearms.

Why should the property owner risk his/her life for some crazy person? Would you? How would you deal with this person if one day you go home and a stranger lives there. I’m sure you’d call 911.

And srsly, in this era everyone claims s/he has mental problems as soon as one has legal issues, like Elizabeth Holmes.

Originally posted by @Colleen F. :

@Lynnette E. there is no saying if she takes the gun everywhere but if someone had complained about the threats with a gun the police could have taken action specific to the gun  prior to eviction.  I guess no one but the landlord complained and the action had to take the form of an eviction. 

@Jay Hinrichs I wonder how many people will last in those park ranger positions. I think they will be hard to fill. I am all for some reform to policing but its more about setting the right standards and  teaching de-escalation techniques then taking away any weapons. 

 @Marian Smith not sure gun control is controlling the guns you want controlled. These kind of people for the most part don't get guns through legal channels. 

Portlandia hired 50 of them..  will see.. gun violence since they disbanded the gun violence squad has sky rocketed last year this time  2 gun murders in the first quarter of the year this year 25.. I mean you have to be brain dead to not see the correlation.

 

@Jay Hinrichs all those families now affected by violence only makes violence worsen. I am going to bet that those dying are in the exact same neighborhoods the defunding effort was supposed to benefit. 

Originally posted by @Colleen F. :

@Jay Hinrichs all those families now affected by violence only makes violence worsen. I am going to bet that those dying are in the exact same neighborhoods the defunding effort was supposed to benefit.

exactly right.. I have 3 families that were basically born and raised in the north Portland area were the violence is the worse .. they sold out and have bought new homes from us in the Burbs.  Although the market is so hot for those that flee the violence others move right in and pay 450 to 850k for the privilege to live there.

One of my buyers have had to deal with gun shots darn near nightly their daughter is traumatized.   Sad situation this defund the police movement Gang bangers who do 90% of this violence are not going to be reasoned with by park rangers and social workers .. they just laugh at how stupid city hall is.

 

Originally posted by @Jim Cummings :

@Merritt S., @Account Closed . You are both certainly entitled to your opinion, but your views are very much in the minority on this forum. 

Would be interested to see how you would handle the same situation in one of your investments!

As far as the majority opinion, by your logic of being in the minority, let me ask this question - if the majority of people vote and decide rape is ok, is it then ok?

A community that loses it's moral compass is doomed to an ugly community.

I presented two alternate solutions in my post.

I'd say when people simply pretend to be listening but really are not, it makes it tough to come to a consensus solution.

I think attempting to shove the square block through the round circle is a bad strategy.

I suppose I can not speak for all states, but in WI when a person squats, they establish tenancy. 

I dunno. I just can't get behind the cops bashing down a door with guns drawn to get out a tenant. Seems to me there are plenty of other options to try before going to such extremes.

I'll bet starving her out would work. So would tear gas. Instead of bashing the door in and rushing in with guns drawn, perhaps simply removing the door.

I wonder if the cop who shot her dead feels good about it? Good about being a cop? Protecting and serving and all that?

I am not anti-police. I am against police that play seek and destroy instead of serve and protect.

@Merritt S. . RE: Your post. Seems to me there are plenty of other options to try before going to such extremes. I'll bet starving her out would work. So would tear gas. Instead of bashing the door in and rushing in with guns drawn, perhaps simply removing the door.

Doesn't appear from the original story, they tried the option of starving her out, tear gas, or removing the door. But you have to know and recognize the long drawn out bureaucratic and legalistic process this case went through before the decision to forcibly evict her. It was NOT a one day process. There were many many points along the road where this person could have taken the proper off-ramp and avoided the situation that ended up costing her life.

As for the police officer that shot the person, I wouldn't think they wear it as a badge of honor or achievement, but when you fire at a police officer, what could you expect but a fusillade of fire in return - self preservation!  My guess is, the officer that fired the fatal shot is probably not the same officer that was fired at by the woman. Additionally, the office now faces a long drawn out process of Police and Legal review of the shooting in which the officer could be accused of murder, manslaughter - whatever else might be thrown at them, along with the accompanying costs of defending themselves in legal annd court proceedings. 

There is a term you hear on occasion in law enforcement circles - SBC - Suicide By Cop! Possibly that was her motive. 

Again, your opinion may vary - that's your right! 

Originally posted by @Dillon Cook :

Squatting on the rise

Yep.  The reason I am only selling  my vacants with Lease Options these days.

Loans take 60 days to fund, especially if the lender doesn't submit the 11th hr VOE until 48hrs before closing. 

Latest one is basically a 4 month LO.  They'll occupy it the whole time with essentially $9k in earnest money / option consideration.  We'll open a 120 day escrow and the house won't be vacant.  

Squatters are my highest risk, followed by maintaining the lawn . Bonus, FSBO selling at retail but no commissions.

@Merritt S.   the solution then could be that when possession is ordered in court they are escorted and put out that day. Treat it like a criminal proceeding. They have no weapons in court.  They have had plenty of notice before that point but again that is not the process.