Bildwise Indianapolis - Bildwise or Bildworst?

Bildwise Indianapolis - Bildwise or Bildworst?

Kitchener Waterloo, Ontario · Member since 2017 · 9 posts · 16 votes

My independent review of Bildwise Indianapolis.  To start my selection process, I had done a review and followed some of the posts of the staff of Bildwise.  I interviewed them as well as some other contractors before selecting them.

I found their staff (Ryan Poske and Rich Bonisa) and team to be knowledgeable and reasonable.

The services I was looking for was a Project Management team that could manage my project remotely and make sure to keep my project on budget and schedule from start to finish.  ‘Boots on the ground’ as we like to say in this business.  This major project is a 1-300k flip project in a desirable neighborhood of Indianapolis.

I don’t mind paying their PM fee 4000-5000 dollars (for my larger project) in order to manage this project from start to finish, and follow up with contractors for me.  I also don’t mind them taking a cut of the total rehab bill on the back end.  My view is as a long as they do their job and my project gets completed on time, I’m ok with my team getting compensated well.

I chose to first select Bildwise to manage a smaller rehab project in Indianapolis first.  This project I had with them that was completed somewhat late, but within a fairly reasonable amount of time.  I deemed that acceptable, and I considered them for a larger project with hard money.

Before launching the project I made it clear that for this project with hard money we would need one of their better more trusted contractor teams and that I expected them to manage this one more closely.  I stressed that we would need to make sure this one stayed on budget and on the time schedule.

During the rehab there were some setbacks without fault such as hidden fire damage that we had to address with a costly increase to our budget. However as the project moved along Buildwise had issues managing their hand-selected contractor.The contractor Jonah & Eugene quality construction LLC would be away from the job more and more days. They would start to request more money earlier, and complete less work. My involvement got to the point where it seemed like a full time job following up with Buildwise for an update on their contractor. This went on for months and when a 5 month project is about 2 months late and nowhere near finished there is a major problem.

During this problem I would constantly recommend solutions such as cutting ties with this contractor and filling another one in.  It got to the point where no solution from Bildwise seemed near.  In the end I flew down to talk with Bildwise and fire them in person.

I was quite disappointed in the response I got from them as well. I was expecting them to take some responsibility for not being able to manage the contractor they selected.  After discussions with Ryan, I got the impression he felt all the risk of this project was assumed by me; and he wasn’t obligated to refund any of the Project Management fee for failing to manage this project.  Project Management and Responsibility go hand in hand. After all the role of Project manager by definition includes being responsible for monitoring, managing, controlling and closing a project. And this project missed that mark by a wide margin.

Now we can accept that construction contracts often go over the allocated time budget.  Exceptions can be made.But there is a difference between small slips and major failures.  And taking ownership and responsibility is very important in this industry.  Integrity is something that is earned, often when times are tough.  Unfortunately this was a missed opportunity for Buildwise in regards to building integrity.

Since then, I’ve noticed their Better Business Bureau rating is a C (A+ to F) with complaints filed against them (as of the writing of this article).

https://www.bbb.org/us/in/fishers/profile/project-management/bildwise-0382-90023310/overview-of-bbb-ratings

In hindsight I would have saved money and time, had I done the Project Management myself from the start.  I could have done more too, I could have asked more about what remedies were in place for when a project slips.  In summary, I do believe there is room for these PM service companies if they are done right.  However managing contractors is not always an easy task, even if the project manager is local.

Dolce Deodato

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Los Angeles, CA · Member since 2015 · 19 posts · 14 votes
7y

@Dolce Deodato 

@Eloisa Gil Villafuerte @Mike Reynolds

Stay far, far away from this Company. I made the mistake of using their services. They are extremely unprofessional and have lied to me multiple times. They do not know the meaning of "Management" as they think taking pictures twice a week means management. They were months over the timeline, and promises that were made to me were not delivered. After the projects were finally finished, the inspector came in and address problems well over $5k. I've contacted them for months to get them to finish the job I paid for them to do and they promised every week that they would go and perform it. 

Very expensive lesson learned. I've talked with MULTIPLES investors afterwards and they say the same. STAY AWAY!!!!!

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  • Member since 2018 · 3 posts · 2 votes
    6y

    I would search Morris Investment on this site.  If investors are being scammed, there could possibly be information here.  Bad reviews are bad for a reason. I'd prefer to work with people who don't have the negativity. 

  • Josh C.Pro Member
    Property Manager · Indianapolis, IN · Member since 2010 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    6y

    I can’t speak to this specific situation, but they aren’t a scam. I know they have completed several rehabs for several of our property management clients. One in particular loves them and uses them often. When they rehab it we’ll go in and rent and manage them. Budgets and timelines do have a way of shifting in bigger construction jobs and no one is perfect, but they aren’t a scam or anything like Morris Invest/oceanpointe. Which I also have experience with managing after that 💩 show came to town.

  • Member since 2019 · 1 post · 0 votes
    6y

    Someone in my SuccessMinds group worked with them.  Didn't go well.  

  • Indianapolis · Member since 2019 · 288 posts · 179 votes
    6y

    We are very much still active in the Indianapolis market and are rolling out a full-scale platform that allows us to manage projects from start to finish with a fully vetted and proven construction team that we hand-pick for your projects needs. No more having to bring your team to us - we are your team!

    We handle renovations, rehabs, and new builds - let us know if we can assist!

  • Real Estate Consultant · Indianapolis · Member since 2019 · 80 posts · 81 votes
    6y

    @David Tearney

    You gave a pretty vague statement. Can you explain this "didn't go well" statement? Who was this person you are speaking of? What was the situation that occurred? What didn't go well, the introductory phone call, email communication, a project, etc? Can this person speak for themselves on this forum? I guess what I would like is some more detail. 

  • Real Estate Consultant · Indianapolis · Member since 2019 · 80 posts · 81 votes
    6y

    @William Stephenson

    Looking through Morris invest threads for what? Why exactly would I be looking for? 

  • Rental Property Investor · Phoenix, AZ · Member since 2013 · 919 posts · 911 votes
    6y

    @Alora Glaze, I am somewhat surprised that you did not address the initial review.  USUALLY there are 2 (or 3) sides to every story.  The fact that you did not see it valuable to post Bildwise's side would be very concerning to me if I was considering your company.

    Most companies don't like 'bad press'.  If the initial review/post is spot on, ppl should RUN from you.

  • Jay HinrichsBusiness Member
    Real Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
    6y
    Originally posted by @Alan Grobmeier:

    @Alora Glaze, I am somewhat surprised that you did not address the initial review.  USUALLY there are 2 (or 3) sides to every story.  The fact that you did not see it valuable to post Bildwise's side would be very concerning to me if I was considering your company.

    Most companies don't like 'bad press'.  If the initial review/post is spot on, ppl should RUN from you.

    Alan since we know each other pretty well on BP I want to take a shot at this.. I am a Bildwise client.. and I have built about 200 plus homes from the ground up in the last 8 years  plus funded hundreds of rehabs  about 1700 to be exact.

    to be fair and balance of the 5 projects I have done with build wise we had an issue with two houses next to each other  on time lines but they stepped up at their own dime and have fixed the issue plus they have retooled how they were doing their business to alleviate most of the pain points.. the new construction we have going now is going as fast if not faster than anything I build in my home markets of Charleston and Portland area.

    I firmly believe that most folks especially if they are not experienced have un realistic expectations.. and of course with the INdy product that many times is a hundred year old house.. you can have all sorts of issues surface that only come to light once you start.. 

    I don't know the specifics of these other peoples deals.. But from what I see across the country I am satisfied that they are reputable your money wont go missing like what happens to so many people trying to BRRR from out of state.. etc etc.

    so that's my thoughts on the matter as a current client.. like I said no one is perfect in this industry myself included.. Crap happens in construction. just does.  Also REgs change without notice like in Indy your now required to run new sewer taps on old burnt outs.. that's 10k you did not have to spend last year.  in Portland they just decided or passed an ordinance that any home older than about 1935 to demo it has to be deconstructed by hand with as much recycling as possible.. that adds 15 to 40k to your demo bill.. if you bought 6 months ago that could be most if not all of your profit.

  • Rental Property Investor · Oakland, CA · Member since 2017 · 50 posts · 12 votes
    6y

    My project a year ago seemed to go okay with Bildwise (granted- it was my first of this kind). I agree, getting in touch with the contractor or asking for a status update when one wasn't included on their client portal was frustrating. But then again, contractors aren't always anxious to jump on the internet to type up some half-baked paragraph about the project. They just want to get in, get out, and move onto the next.

    To be fair, I had an "aesthetics only" rehab (20k give or take?). Project was slated for 30 days and ended in 30 days. All in all it was a good deal and project numbers all worked very well. But when you're higher stakes (like a large rehab or money backed from another source) that could be stressful. Then again, we are all investors and these high stakes are why we show up :)

  • Rental Property Investor · Rohnert Park, CA · Member since 2014 · 307 posts · 160 votes
    6y

    @Dolce Deodato

    Which construction manager did you end up using to complete your project last year?

  • Member since 2019 · 3 posts · 1 vote
    5y

    At the end of 2018 I started a project with Bildwise and it was supposed to be a 60 day rehab. My experience mirrored Dolce’s experience. They all spoke very well when I was in the sales/buying phase. Ritch sold me on their process and Ryan made me think they were all over everything during project execution. I would be getting weekly pictures of progress, their “boots on the ground” would keep the contractors on task, their draw/micro draw system would control runaway spending, and they vetted the contractors for quality and finances. I wondered how many contractors would submit to what sounded like a financial audit of sorts but whatever, I was sold.

    I closed on the house on Oct 12, 2018 that they had for sale. I paid the Bildwise invoice for “PM Services” and off we went. They prepared the scope and the draw schedule for me to pay to Bildwise for disbursement to the contractor in “micro draws”. The contractor started not long afterwards.

    Shortly afterwards the process things started slipping with the contractor. Weekly picture updates weren’t happening, the few that came in seemed to be showing very little progress. I had my property manager start watching the site and it became evident that no one was even showing up to do work.

    Up until this point most of our communications were being handled in their portal (aka “Backoffice” as they called it) or by email. Ryan P. and I had a phone call about what was going on. He confirmed that the contractor had been having problems finishing projects for them, so it wasn’t just my project. It was an ongoing issue for them. Great, so how do we solve this and finish the project? Things got silent at that point of the call.

    Fast forward several months into the project. The bathrooms, appliances, the tile kitchen backsplash, and a bunch of nagging little details weren’t done yet. I also was missing a few pieces of the granite that need to match and weren’t on site yet. The fence was half painted, they stopped halfway down the side of the house for some reason. The appliances were also not delivered yet, a process that has ultimately taken nearly three weeks and constant pestering to make happen. Waiting some of these things out seemed like the best of the worst options considering how much it would have been to do some of those things from scratch.

    I debated about firing the contractor several times. Bildwise was paying the micro draws as “work was being done” such that all the money had apparently been paid out. They had virtually no leverage on the contractor since they were already paid. How do you pay a draw for appliances if there are no appliances? How draws were getting paid, with boots on the ground, and work being verified was beyond my understanding.

    I was thinking it was all the contractor but other things on the Bildwise side caused me cause for concern as we were going through it. After I went down two days before the first supposed finish date, I saw how bad the kitchen cabinets were. They had water damage and damaged doors. Not what was marketable for a rehab of this price. Bruce, the site manager who rarely answered the phone or returned any messages, told me that he would get his cabinet lady in there on Monday. Well, two weeks later we had nothing. After a bunch of pestering they replied that it’s all up to the contractor… and he was replying to me asking what the decision was. Bruce was the one getting the quote, Ryan told me on the phone that they don’t do any quotes, and the contractor asking what’s going on made me wonder who was running and doing what on this project. I guess the obvious answer was: no one.

    When I asked about firing the contractor Ryan said that I’m the only one that can fire them since they work for me. Ryan could give no reason why they didn’t suggest firing them earlier in the process. Throughout the whole process I was never able to talk to the contractor directly. They work for me, but they won’t give me their number. Seem odd?

    Around March 9th I was down looking at the house to see where things were, and it looked about the same as a month prior. I emailed Ryan and asked about the appliances and some other details. He said that’s all up to Tinashe and to post on the backoffice. I emailed back and asked for Tinashe’s contact number. They would not provide it after multiple exchanges. They were clearly not too concerned about doing much in the way of project management or pushing the contractor to stay on track. I asked myself what kind of company would not share the contact information for someone that works for me, that they have no problems reaching. Seem legit?

    A few things that should have been in the scope were missed. One case was some missing shingles up by the chimney that was letting water into the attic. The electrical box, whose cover was off since the walkthrough video, had 8-10 wire nuts in it and some double tapped wires. None of the junction boxes in the basement had covers and the old garbage disposal wires were left dangling, and live.

    They not only missed some repairs like the roof but knew about code violations like the electrical problems and then claimed all those things were out of scope. The icing for me was that they just ignore most of the comments about these kinds of things until I could get Ryan on the phone. Then, instead of giving me an adder from the contractor, they moved on and did nothing.

    On March 22, 2019 I fired Bildwise and the contractor, 161 days after closing. I hit my limit with the “never ending project” and the string of empty promises.

    I brought in my own resources and used my rental property manager to finish it. By the end I put in another $15k to what started as a $40k rehab budget. Keep in mind, this was a strictly cosmetic rehab. We weren’t finishing basements or knocking down walls. The original budget was more than reasonable for the planned work.

    I drove by the address listed as the contractor’s registered office and was a rundown duplex that has broken windows and in general disrepair. Neither side was habitable. Clearly no one has lived there for a long time yet when questioned Ryan said that they have no problems reaching Tinashe at that address. Um… okay. I found some other prior addresses and they all had overgrown grass or boarded up windows. The prior address for the contractor looked bad but habitable, it didn’t look like anyone was loving there. So much for doing a thorough vetting of contractors, this guy doesn’t even seem to have an office. Or house.

    In all I probably made more than a dozen trips to Indy to figure out what was going on in person, so this was clearly not a “hands off, they are my boots on the ground” sort of thing they advertise. (i.e. Where I listened to Ryan on the Simple Wholesaling Podcast #63) I’ve wondered why there weren’t more bad reviews than the one posted by Dolce. All I could figure is that as long as they get a halfway decent contractor that remotely performs, the flaws in the system don’t show through.

    At every turn Bildwise seemed to refuse to any responsibility and seem to do nothing but make excuses for their contractor at every turn. The contractor they picked for me performed similarly to what Dolce described for his house. I wondered if we might have even had the same contractor. Bildwise kept paying out the "micro draws" to the contractor such that the project ended with zero left in the coffers to be returned to me. There was a shocking lack of ownership and ability to solve problems.

    As the investor I can easily point the finger at myself for failing to find the red flag in all this from the start. Prior to all this Bildwise had a clean BBB record and there was little trace of them except for appearances on places like that podcast or their page here on Bigger Pockets. Should I have driven to find and vet the contractor sooner on my own? Absolutely. Then again, that’s why we are paying for professionals like this.

    Since then I still see posts on Bigger Pockets from some people there. This has educated me to have a high degree of skepticism for people that appear as guests on some of these shows as “the expert.” They talk the talk, but when it comes time to walk… they trip.

    What confounds me to no end is how some people seem to have great experiences with them are willing to vouch for them, but then others have a nearly 180 degree experience with them. That casts up a dark cloud of credibility.

  • Investor · Irvine, CA · Member since 2009 · 260 posts · 183 votes
    5y

    Luckily I had only 1 project w/ Bildwise, which eventually we hired someone else to finish.

    Like others have said - great first impression . . . poor (very) execution. 

    At some point, I felt as if they are punishing me due to friction w/ my local rep. 

    As much as I can tell they claim they vet the GCs but if this is how they vet them this is a joke.

    They claim they do all the following but in reality is it done poorly:
    Followups 

    Checking on renovation progress - what a joke

    Checking on timelines . . . after they pass (if at all) 

    I may consider them for my mailbox painting but that's about it.

  • Specialist · Indianapolis, IN · Member since 2016 · 133 posts · 43 votes
    5y

    @Dani Beit-Or

    Let's be honest. First, we have not worked with you or your company since 2017. Second, your local rep did not communicate with us and would constantly change project plans directly with the contractors and leave us in the dark. If I recall, you and your local rep parted ways. We cannot check/verify timelines, renovation progress accurately if we are not being kept in the loop due to your local rep circumnavigating us and going directly to the contractors with changes, additional work added, etc. Several of the contractors working on your project walked off due to the constant changes and additional work they were told to do for no additional charge by your local rep.

    You and I had several conversations regarding this as well.

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