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All Forum Posts by: Logan M.

Logan M. has started 136 posts and replied 728 times.

Quote from @Jordan Moorhead:

@Logan M. what are your favorite places to post test ads?


 Zillow and Facebook Marketplace. We have had a lot of success with those two sources.

  • Local Trends: Watch for changes in the area like major employment shifts and construction projects.
  • Ghost Ads: Post fake ads before purchasing a community and gauge your activity. This gives you an idea of the rent amount and general demand.
  • Comparable rents: Analyze rental listings in your area for similar properties (size, location, amenities). Look for recently rented units to get the most accurate picture.
  • Rental listing websites: Utilize platforms like Zillow, Trulia, Craigs List, (In Utah, KSL), Facebook Marketplace, or Rentometer to search for comparable rentals and analyze rental trends.
  • Local property management companies: Contact local property managers for their insights on current rental rates in your area.

Post: Mobile Home Development

Logan M.Posted
  • Investor
  • Provo, UT
  • Posts 737
  • Votes 620
Quote from @Jay Hinrichs:
Quote from @Logan M.:

I would highly suggest buying an existing community, it is almost always easier and more profitable unless you know what you're doing.


logan the issue on the West coast is parks are treated like investment grade props and sell at a very low cap rate even in this interest rate environment.  So if one can buy dirt at a reasonable price get it approved and built and filled up as stated above they will force equity and have a very good investment that is worth a ton more when completed etc.

the issue out this way is finding any dirt you can actually build a park on  most cities wont allow them then you have the other barriers to developement and absorption like I mentioned above these all factor into it..

out in the mid west and deep south one can buy a park for 7 to 10 cap all day long.. in OR WA CA your going to find it difficult to find a park above a 4 to 5 cap.

 That is a great point, the barriers will create a tremendous amount of scarcity.

Post: Mobile Home Development

Logan M.Posted
  • Investor
  • Provo, UT
  • Posts 737
  • Votes 620
Quote from @Robert Ellis:
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Quote from @Jay Hinrichs:

other than the obvious land use rules. ( is this Oregon ).

the main thing we found when looking at land to do a park on in Oregon was Absorption.

A lot of money out to buy the dirt then the cost to set up the park which can run 20k plus per pad. then the time it takes to fill the park.

those are the calcs you have to run to see if its going to work.. Of course if your all cash drag and holding costs wont matter in the long run.

So for us they simply never pencil from ground up because of the cost and absorption time.


 All these mobile home park investors imagine if they opened up their minds to truck parking facilities and did all the same utility improvement, higher density for parking than mobile home, didn't have tenants, same on site manager. Much higher returns. 


 Trucking is going through a major contraction right now and if self-driving trucks ever become a thing you are out of business.

 you still have to park self driving trucks my friend ... and only some portions of trucking are going through a "contraction". Flat Bed is super strong, aggregates and trucking that supports new construction is extremely strong right now and is booming. I'm not sure if you know much about these industries than what you listen to on the news. Every truck parking facility that is built in our market is fully leased up quickly. And here's a really good kicker, if trucking is in the tanks, all the trucks have to be parked right? There you go! 


 Your last line is a great point. I am not saying that it doesn't have a use and won't have a future use but it is a lot easier to create a parking area than something with a higher barrier to enter. How long before it is overbuilt? I don't know the answer and maybe it will never get there. 

Post: Major New Trends in Mobile Home Park Investing

Logan M.Posted
  • Investor
  • Provo, UT
  • Posts 737
  • Votes 620

@Michael Smythe happy to!

Post: Major New Trends in Mobile Home Park Investing

Logan M.Posted
  • Investor
  • Provo, UT
  • Posts 737
  • Votes 620

@Jordan Moorhead, I 100% agree!

Post: Major New Trends in Mobile Home Park Investing

Logan M.Posted
  • Investor
  • Provo, UT
  • Posts 737
  • Votes 620
  • 1. Increased Institutional Investment: Large investment firms and private equity groups are recognizing the potential of mobile home parks as a stable asset class, driving up purchase prices. This is a predictable cash flow play because housing affordability worsens daily.
  • 2. Focus on Resident Experience: New investors are investing in amenities, infrastructure, and overall community management improvements to attract and retain residents.
  • 3. Rise of Resident-Owned Communities (ROCs): Tenants are banding together to purchase their parks, seeking to control their housing costs and community future. There are even lending programs specifically for this.
  • 4. Evolving Financing Landscape: Increased availability of financing options, including agency debt, CMBS loans, and local bank lending, is making it easier for investors to acquire and improve mobile home parks. The Federal Government has started backing loans for MHPs.
  • 5. Technological Integration: Property management software and resident portals are becoming increasingly common, streamlining operations and enhancing communication between residents and owners.
  • 6. Growing Demand for Affordable Housing: The ongoing shortage of affordable housing options drives demand for mobile home parks, particularly in desirable locations. I invest in a lot of rural markets and there is zero affordable housing, and many of the communities have vacant slips.

These trends will become more prevalent over the next few decades and you will see legislation dealing specifically with these trends.

Post: I built 15 units with only $130,000 out of pocket

Logan M.Posted
  • Investor
  • Provo, UT
  • Posts 737
  • Votes 620
Quote from @Robert Ellis:
Quote from @Logan M.:
Quote from @Robert Ellis:
Quote from @Logan M.:

In November 2021, I purchased a single-story commercial building in a downtown area outside Provo Utah.

Attached is the first picture of the front of the building. This building will have 8 apartment units, 5 short-term rental units, and 2 office spaces. 

Three keys allowed me to own 50% of this building with $130,000 invested. (To give you some numbers we are all in at 2.1 million and it appraised just shy of $3.2 Million)

This was a seller-financed transaction, the terms allowed us to use the ground as collateral and I brought partners in after I got all of the city approvals, and they took over the future expenses for the seller financing note and the other costs like engineering. 


We leveraged the land and got a bank loan for $1.6 Million.


THESE DEALS ARE OUT THERE!


 did you face any hurdles for land appraisal without seasoning? interview multiple banks? I think a lot of people don't focus on the financing side or what it takes to get a deal done but that is everything 


 It is also one of the more difficult parts to understand.

We didn't run into seasoning issues but it was because I had owned it for a year by the time I got the construction loan. In that time I worked on approvals and interviewed several banks. We had full approval from three different banks before we made a decision.


 so they gave you full dollar for dollar value on your land and it was a higher value than you purchase? 


 Yes

Post: Mobile Home Development

Logan M.Posted
  • Investor
  • Provo, UT
  • Posts 737
  • Votes 620

I would highly suggest buying an existing community, it is almost always easier and more profitable unless you know what you're doing.

Post: Mobile Home Development

Logan M.Posted
  • Investor
  • Provo, UT
  • Posts 737
  • Votes 620
Quote from @Robert Ellis:
Quote from @Jay Hinrichs:

other than the obvious land use rules. ( is this Oregon ).

the main thing we found when looking at land to do a park on in Oregon was Absorption.

A lot of money out to buy the dirt then the cost to set up the park which can run 20k plus per pad. then the time it takes to fill the park.

those are the calcs you have to run to see if its going to work.. Of course if your all cash drag and holding costs wont matter in the long run.

So for us they simply never pencil from ground up because of the cost and absorption time.


 All these mobile home park investors imagine if they opened up their minds to truck parking facilities and did all the same utility improvement, higher density for parking than mobile home, didn't have tenants, same on site manager. Much higher returns. 


 Trucking is going through a major contraction right now and if self-driving trucks ever become a thing you are out of business.