All Forum Posts by: Logan M.
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Quote from @Randall Alan:
Mobile homes are considered depreciating assets... just like a car. They generally don't increase in value like brick and mortar homes. Banks also won't lend on them as easily. When real estate doubled and tripled in the past 2-3 years... mobile homes didn't.
That doesn't mean that owning a mobile home park won't make money though. But the homes themselves... not so much.
The biggest problem with the mobile home 'equation' (if you will)... is the 'lot fee'. Once you add the lot fee to the price of a mobile home, the numbers don't add up as well, because so much of your money is going to person who owns the park. With both traditional homes and mobile homes, you have principle, interest, property taxes, and insurance. But with mobile homes you then tack on $500-700/month to have a place to put the mobile home. So instead of way more money going to principal and equity, it goes out the door to the lot fee.
Otherwise, they are difficult to move, and are frequently built very cheaply.
I don't know the ins and outs of buying and selling them (arbitrage).. but as an investment you will be better off in traditional brick and mortar homes.
All the best!
Randy
I would add a caveat to Manufactured home appreciation, they are nearly 100% dependent upon location. In our area, just outside Salt Lake, we had a huge amount of appreciation for these homes.
Now if you are in Mississippi I am not sure they would even retain value.
Post: It's not about timing the market, it is about time "IN" the market

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Quote from @Steve Vaughan:
Timing certainly can matter. With rising rates and highest ever values last year (when I sold 90%) are you saying nobody could predict the stagnant, downward-pressure market going forward a year or two? Surely I wasn't the only one.
Then there's seasonal timing.
Best time generally to buy is October. Largest inventory of anxious sellers that missed the summer.
Worst time to rent something out is winter in cold regions. Be aware of the timing of your rent ready or sale ready date when you buy.
How were you 'just smart enough' to buy in early 2020? Sounds like timing. I expected you to say just lucky enough.
The best time to buy is when a great deal appears. Buying a bad deal and saying oh well time will heal this is something a bad broker would say. Underwrite every deal strongly whatever the market is doing.
I think the biggest takeaway on this post is that in a macro timing sense, you don't have any control over it so don't base your investing strategy on it.
If I find a deal that makes sense I act regardless of FED rates or the time of year.
Post: It's not about timing the market, it is about time "IN" the market

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In 2019 rates began to climb and the numbers started to become tight, almost nothing worked based on the the sale prices. I felt like I missed out on low-interest rates and was frustrated that I had not been born 3 years earlier. (That is a joke)
Then in 2020, COVID happened, which nobody could have anticipated. I was just smart enough to buy a lot of real estate in early 2020 and was able to get a ton of appreciation and strong rents.
Looking back at this situation I have relaxed a little bit and have come to realize:
#1 Nobody can time the makert
#2 Even some of the worst purchases with time can start looking good
#3 Real Estate with Leverage over time is the ultimate compounding that you cannot find anywhere.
Another consideration is the many ways to make money on a property: Rent, Depreciation, Debt Paydown, and Appreciation.
I never thought that debt paydown would be such a large number so don't discount these four ways to make money.
Post: Don't let your EGO stop you from LEARNING

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Looking back, I had no idea what I did not know about real estate investing, but the one thing I did right was continually working to learn and improve. Too often in our world today those trying to get into real estate investing feel entitled to success because others have it or don't feel like they have to work for it.
My #1 biggest tip for those breaking into the real estate business or any business is to be willing to do whatever you can to learn skills. When you start, the money you will make hourly will never be close to what you can make when you become successful. I don't call it working for free I call it working for fun and I have put in thousands of hours working for fun.
This is the problem 99.9% of people will work and make little to nothing to get ahead and if you want to break out of that you have to do what the .01% do and not what the 99.9% are willing to do.
Post: New member in North Salt Lake area looking to network!

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The best time to start is now!
What part of real estate do you and your husband work?
Post: Buying a park with 35% occupancy

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This year I bought a Mobile Home Park with 35% occupancy with no vacant spaces, meaning 65% of spaces have a vacant home/unit.
A few strategies I used to feel comfortable on this deal were:
1. Create fake ads to test rents and demand.
2. Walk through each unit to determine the amount of work that needs to be done.
3. Gauge the upside potential and my break even.
I was able to hire a handyman who has been working on one unit after another and we have been finding tenants to fill the units.
Today only a few months later, we are 79% occupied. My biggest struggle has been dealing with certain tenants but overall we are doing well.
Also, this park is a 2-hour drive from me so utilizing technology has been a game-changer.
Post: BURN OUT, the struggle is real

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Post: BURN OUT, the struggle is real

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Recently, my assistant resigned for health reasons (Magically when he ran out of PTO). This has created tremendous property management work for me on top of the normal real estate businesses I run.
What I have realized is that it has created an opportunity for me to see my systems and processes for what they are, which is far from perfect.
Initially, when we start investing we can throw time and some money at problems but our shortcomings are magnified as we do more and more deals. I am not convinced that anyone is running the perfect management system for their properties but I do think that there are much better ways to run the business.
I don't manage any properties that I don't own (Besides one, long story), the big takeaway is to know where you want to go and stay in your lane. The most stress I am feeling now is because of the work that is deviating from my normal investment business.
Hopefully, I will be able to hire someone soon that has property management experience but until then I am in the trenches a little more than normal.
Post: Self Managing Mobile Home Parks

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I think that small parks may be the "gateway drug" to big ones. There is a lot of opportunity with small ones but the scalability creates lots of challenges.
Post: Building a legacy through Mobile Home Park Investing

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Quote from @Samuel Coronado:
I once had a conversation with a seller I cold called while trying to buy mobile home parks around Ft Bragg (now Ft Liberty), NC. There was an older gentleman who had bought a lot of land back in the 70s when inflation was double digits and no one wanted to buy anything. He said he was holding on to the land until Ft Bragg expanded to his doorstep and he could sell for millions. Ft Bragg is top 3 of the DOD in terms of just raw personnel and unfortunately BiggerPockets has a hand in making the rents go up artificially there, but the strategy is still sane. I have a plan to buy my entire block in the country. I have 20 acres now. I will be setting some stakes for the driveway of a 5 unit MHP soon and plan to use that to expand out to some other places thereafter on my own land. The cashflow from these units combined with the main house will more than be enough to cover all expenses in perpetuity for that land that's on a 3.4% interest rate over 30 years. Best of all, we get to provide actual affordable housing in a rural area where you can't find much below $1,000 right now.
Amazing