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All Forum Posts by: Adam Macias

Adam Macias has started 10 posts and replied 148 times.

Post: Wholesaling With Conventional Loans

Adam Macias
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  • Agent Sales Representative at BiggerPockets
  • Fort Collins, CO
  • Posts 159
  • Votes 100
Quote from @Lydia R.:
Quote from @Jesse LeBlanc:

@Paul Ketchens ASSUMING you mean that the end buyer has a conventional loan, here is what I've done a LOT, and yes, it's more work but completely doable:

1) Since you should already be transparent with your seller and buyer, this process should be easy.  DO NOT DOUBLE CLOSE OR ASSIGN (in our world, you still are assigning, but continue following along and i'll be more clear).  Allow your buyer to go direct with the seller and on then either on the contract or on an amendment (or on an email with the seller and the closing team) you add your fee.  This way your fee goes on the seller side.  

So for example, you planned on buying the property from the seller for 100k and selling to end buyer at 115k.  You would draft up the contract for the end buyer in their name as the buyer for 115k, then on an amendment (or email with seller and closing team) 15k to be added to the sellers side as your fee, this way the seller still gets their 100k and buyer paid 115k.  What this does is STOP the end buyers lender from questioning anything.  

By anything, I mean DEPENDING on the lender, they will look at the current owner of the property and if you were double closing, they'd see the seller on the contract is the current owner and stop their loan.  Then if that didn't happen but they saw an assignment fee on the buyers side, they may not approve the loan to cover the assignment fee.  They DO NOT care what is owed from the seller, so your fee is like a lien basically and the end buyers lender doesn't care about that, they only care about the property and what the buyer (their client) is paying for it.

2) IF you tried to double close or assign the contract vs the way I explained above, then you MUST have the end buyer talk with their lender.  Explain what all you're doing and get approval from them first.  Sure, you could be opening up a can of worms BUT it MIGHT be better to find out they won't approve and they'd find out later anyway then stop the loan SOMETIMES on the day of closing!!!  Ask me how I know :)    Hints, for me I go with my first suggestion above so that A) I don't open up a can of worms B) waste time and cause extra work when it could have been solved day 1.

@Lydia R.This too will also solve your concerns so you don't have to pass up on a potential solid buyer, although it's case by case as you know!  You might have a conventional buyer but very very difficult seller, and even though this buyer might pay more, it's just not worth the headache so take less money and go with a different buyer. But yes, another way is to double close and use transactional lending which I offer, BUT I think it will be unnecessary expense and then too much risk in the event the end buyers lender reviews RIGHT BEFORE they send the wire and notice then backout and you're stuck with the property to find another buyer when it all could have been resolved from the start.


 Thanks for sharing this. I have a few questions. I understand about transparency, however when working with sellers that are in financial distress, its a hard pill to ask them to swallow that 15K *using your example) they could be putting in their pocket is now going to your pocket. Especially if they are not making that much from the sale. Second, where is the protection for the wholesalers fee if the contract is written between the seller and the end buyer? Whats to stop the seller from saying they dont agree to the wholesaler receiving a fee? They would rather keep the money for themselves so what stops them from saying, hey thanks for making me an extra 15K? 

Is an extended double close not a possibility? I have had other wholesalers tell me that if the title docs are prepared showing the wholesaler as the seller the bank will move forward with the loan to the end buyer. Ive never done this myself, but I have spoken to others who have done it. 

My personal preference is an end buyer with cash or hard money. It seems like a lot more hassle and risk trying to work with a buyer that has to get a conventional loan. Unless there is a big potential fee, it seems like it makes more sense to find a buyer with an easier/faster funding source. 

Do you guys offer any kind of extended transactional funding--3-7 days or only same day funding?

There's a common misconception that sellers are losing whenever they sell a distressed house. Most wholesales I've done, the sellers are walking away with $75,000.00 from the equity they sold in the house at a minimum. That's quite a bit of money for a house they didn't take care of and didn't care to want.

 The importance of an assignment of contract is you're assigning a contract between you and the seller. There is no you told the buyer about it and then hope for the best. Your security in making sure you're paid an assignment fee by the title company is the contract itself you assigned.

The seller and the buyer both receive different HUD statements. The assignment fee is not on the seller's HUD statement in my experience. Most sellers have no clue what you're even talking about if you try explaining wholesaling and all these guru terms created in real estate. This is more a problem in a person's confidence and proof of concept in thinking they're doing something wrong. You're not doing anything wrong. Assignments are everywhere in contract law. It's not special to wholesaling.

Post: Real Estate license if not planning on being a realtor?

Adam Macias
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  • Agent Sales Representative at BiggerPockets
  • Fort Collins, CO
  • Posts 159
  • Votes 100
Quote from @Seth Michael Carp:

This summer I would have ample time to work on getting my real estate license and have been considering doing so. I plan to use the license to save on realtor fees and get access to the MLS for house hacking that I will be starting in my sophomore year of college, (still a high school senior). I've heard some people on the forums say that getting your license is a waste of time if your not going to become a realtor and that working instead of getting my license may be a better use of my time to raise capital. I'd appreciate any advice.

There's so much software available for MLS and real estate data from websites now I can list at least 5 that provide everything you need data wise. Yes, they cost a monthly fee but there's no brokerage you need to abide to or yearly dues. For me personally, I love agents (Yes I mean it not just because I'm on BiggerPockets haha) I just couldn't do it based on my intentions and exit strategy of a deal.

It's like when people ask me about if they should get a license to wholesale real estate. Only if absolutely necessary because the law requires a license. Otherwise, if your intention is to not represent clients, there's no reason to waste money or time getting a license.

Post: Is it possible to mass text skip traced leads?

Adam Macias
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  • Agent Sales Representative at BiggerPockets
  • Fort Collins, CO
  • Posts 159
  • Votes 100
Quote from @Account Closed:
Quote from @Adam Macias:
Quote from @Account Closed:
Quote from @Adam Macias:

I prefer cold calling over text messaging any day of the week for several reasons. One of them being you know the person's intentions right off the bat when they answered the phone. You can pick up nuanced details like if they're negative, motivated or even willing to speak with you.

Put yourself in the mind of the homeowner. We as marketers in wholesaling sure love to do stuff that we don't like done to us.

There's marketing strategies way better than cold calling and mass texting but even when someone says, "yes I'm selling my house" you STILL have to speak with them on the phone and meet them in person so texting just gets in the way, creates skepticism that doesn't need to be there in the first place and look at all the legal issues you have before even starting. Just my take.

I know and you’re 100% right. I’m actually a salesman by trade and am used to cold calling. But something about cold calling my first list of property owners and trying to get them to sell to me at a cheap price rattles me. 

 It's the call reluctance. Which is extremely easy to get over. I've made videos on this before. The biggest thing is to realize without chemistry, there's no chance of getting a deal. You have full power to hang up on people if nothing is there. If someone cusses you out, immediately hang up and don't give it a second thought. If someone is playing games or is a nasty Realtor acting like a seller, hang up and move on. There's no law saying it's illegal and it's not immoral to hang up on negative people who have zero interest in selling a house.

Only stay on the phone with people who actually want to talk to you. Your intuition and gut feeling developed hundreds of thousands of years before being "nice" ever did. So trust it when you make your calls. The analytical mind and our ego are what give us call reluctance because we think if someone is not interested we did something wrong. You don't have time to create a sale, you're looking for deals not creating them.

My goal is to make 20k assignments on every deal I take on based on ARV - 70% - repairs - assignment to arrive at my offer price. 

is it realistic to be working in such a fashion? I’d rather take 1-2 deals at 20k a piece per month then. 

is the 70% rule antiquated? Because after I subtract everything my offer is typically 50-60% which obviously isn’t the most enticing. Is it just a pure numbers game and I need volume of offers simply? I over analyze ****

 Do you have a list of investor buyers yet?

Post: Is it possible to mass text skip traced leads?

Adam Macias
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  • Agent Sales Representative at BiggerPockets
  • Fort Collins, CO
  • Posts 159
  • Votes 100
Quote from @Account Closed:
Quote from @Adam Macias:

I prefer cold calling over text messaging any day of the week for several reasons. One of them being you know the person's intentions right off the bat when they answered the phone. You can pick up nuanced details like if they're negative, motivated or even willing to speak with you.

Put yourself in the mind of the homeowner. We as marketers in wholesaling sure love to do stuff that we don't like done to us.

There's marketing strategies way better than cold calling and mass texting but even when someone says, "yes I'm selling my house" you STILL have to speak with them on the phone and meet them in person so texting just gets in the way, creates skepticism that doesn't need to be there in the first place and look at all the legal issues you have before even starting. Just my take.

I know and you’re 100% right. I’m actually a salesman by trade and am used to cold calling. But something about cold calling my first list of property owners and trying to get them to sell to me at a cheap price rattles me. 

 It's the call reluctance. Which is extremely easy to get over. I've made videos on this before. The biggest thing is to realize without chemistry, there's no chance of getting a deal. You have full power to hang up on people if nothing is there. If someone cusses you out, immediately hang up and don't give it a second thought. If someone is playing games or is a nasty Realtor acting like a seller, hang up and move on. There's no law saying it's illegal and it's not immoral to hang up on negative people who have zero interest in selling a house.

Only stay on the phone with people who actually want to talk to you. Your intuition and gut feeling developed hundreds of thousands of years before being "nice" ever did. So trust it when you make your calls. The analytical mind and our ego are what give us call reluctance because we think if someone is not interested we did something wrong. You don't have time to create a sale, you're looking for deals not creating them.

Post: Is it possible to mass text skip traced leads?

Adam Macias
Posted
  • Agent Sales Representative at BiggerPockets
  • Fort Collins, CO
  • Posts 159
  • Votes 100

I prefer cold calling over text messaging any day of the week for several reasons. One of them being you know the person's intentions right off the bat when they answered the phone. You can pick up nuanced details like if they're negative, motivated or even willing to speak with you.

Put yourself in the mind of the homeowner. We as marketers in wholesaling sure love to do stuff that we don't like done to us.

There's marketing strategies way better than cold calling and mass texting but even when someone says, "yes I'm selling my house" you STILL have to speak with them on the phone and meet them in person so texting just gets in the way, creates skepticism that doesn't need to be there in the first place and look at all the legal issues you have before even starting. Just my take.

Post: What CRM are you using?

Adam Macias
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  • Agent Sales Representative at BiggerPockets
  • Fort Collins, CO
  • Posts 159
  • Votes 100

Interesting to see what CRM's agents use compared to investors, however I love using Podio because you have so many customized integrations you can do including email blasts, sending and signing contracts, SMS, all of that within the app. It's the best all in one CRM I've ever used.

Post: Wholesaling With Conventional Loans

Adam Macias
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  • Agent Sales Representative at BiggerPockets
  • Fort Collins, CO
  • Posts 159
  • Votes 100

Do you mean you're trying to buy a deal you're wholesaling or your end buyer is using a conventional loan?

Post: Looking for some help on my first Wholesale deal.

Adam Macias
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  • Agent Sales Representative at BiggerPockets
  • Fort Collins, CO
  • Posts 159
  • Votes 100
Quote from @Felix Lilly:

Hey everyone. I am a very busy undergraduate medical student and I really want to find a way to make a return on investment for my money put into real estate. I am living in the Portland area, and I have already signed up for my first REIA. I know wholesaling is a good way to make a profit without a big input of time. What is the best way to get experience in wholesaling? Would my attending the REIA be of benefit to learn how to do that? Thank you all.

Just know in starting out you should at least give yourself 3-6 months before giving up on if wholesaling is for you. There's a lot of things that can set you back, you will have to push hard and deals may fall out of contract. It's all normal even for experienced investors but it gets better over time when you've set systems in place and nailed your niches.

My suggestion is first focus on building a list of cash buyers and investors that are actively doing deals. Once you have 20-50 buyers on a list and you know what they're shopping for, it gives you confidence to know what a deal looks like. This step alone may take you 1 month if you don't have much time because you're not just looking to "network", you're looking for those serious players in your markets.

After you've had a good buyers list built, then focus on seller leads. I'm moving into the Indianapolis market and doing literally the same thing. First focusing on buyers. Then focusing on agents I can work with. Then knowing which title companies and attorneys I can wholesale with. Then focusing on sellers.

Post: New To Investing, Trying To be a birddog.

Adam Macias
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  • Agent Sales Representative at BiggerPockets
  • Fort Collins, CO
  • Posts 159
  • Votes 100
Quote from @Josh Milewski:
Quote from @Adam Macias:
Quote from @Josh Milewski:

Hello everyone. I'm new here and investing. I'm trying to break into it by starting out as a birddog. I'm not confident enough in my deal finding to try wholesale yet. Any advice?

I didn't see any specific rules on this but if missed them please let me know. 


 Bird dogging sounds nice but you still have to deal within contracts with finders fees to make sure you get paid. I'd stick to assignable contracts and wholesaling because it's one additional step from what people mean by being a bird dog. Finding buyers is the most important part in building your confidence.

Imagine have 50 solid buyers you know have the funds, are actively buying and you see the before and after projects first hand. Wouldn't that give you some confidence?


I guess my biggest fear about wholesaling is to get a contract that no one wants. I don't have the capitol to buy it directly yet. 


 That's why starting out with building a list of investors buyers is most important before anything else. Once you know people who are actually buying and know what they want, everything else is easier. Not 100% "easy" but it's way better starting with having a network of solid buyers.

Post: New To Investing, Trying To be a birddog.

Adam Macias
Posted
  • Agent Sales Representative at BiggerPockets
  • Fort Collins, CO
  • Posts 159
  • Votes 100
Quote from @Josh Milewski:

Hello everyone. I'm new here and investing. I'm trying to break into it by starting out as a birddog. I'm not confident enough in my deal finding to try wholesale yet. Any advice?

I didn't see any specific rules on this but if missed them please let me know. 


 Bird dogging sounds nice but you still have to deal within contracts with finders fees to make sure you get paid. I'd stick to assignable contracts and wholesaling because it's one additional step from what people mean by being a bird dog. Finding buyers is the most important part in building your confidence.

Imagine have 50 solid buyers you know have the funds, are actively buying and you see the before and after projects first hand. Wouldn't that give you some confidence?