Skip to content
×
Pro Members Get
Full Access!
Get off the sidelines and take action in real estate investing with BiggerPockets Pro. Our comprehensive suite of tools and resources minimize mistakes, support informed decisions, and propel you to success.
Advanced networking features
Market and Deal Finder tools
Property analysis calculators
Landlord Command Center
ANNUAL Save 16%
$32.50 /mo
$390 billed annualy
MONTHLY
$39 /mo
billed monthly
7 day free trial. Cancel anytime
×
Try Pro Features for Free
Start your 7 day free trial. Pick markets, find deals, analyze and manage properties.
All Forum Categories
All Forum Categories
Followed Discussions
Followed Categories
Followed People
Followed Locations
Market News & Data
General Info
Real Estate Strategies
Landlording & Rental Properties
Real Estate Professionals
Financial, Tax, & Legal
Real Estate Classifieds
Reviews & Feedback

All Forum Posts by: Alice Horn

Alice Horn has started 7 posts and replied 439 times.

Post: STR Orlando theming

Alice Horn
Posted
  • Property Manager
  • Kissimmee, FL
  • Posts 445
  • Votes 266
Quote from @Alice Horn:
Quote from @Jake Chial:

Questions like these cause for a lot of variables. I get that. I'm looking for an answer from someone that has themed out a house before. Say your buying a house unfurnished. What did you spend when you were done? How many sqft? How many rooms did you theme?  If you have pictures/airbnb listing that would be great. How many rooms were professionally done. Im looking to move in on a house soon. I'm looking for long term. Im not worried about missing out on a season if I have to do a house up right. If a good one popped up, Im wondering cost vs one already done.

@Jake Chial I would be more excited about working with a blank slate. This gives you the opportunity for uniqueness. In this market, you are competing against many highly themed homes….. and many look similar.

Set your home apart! For instance, we are managing an Anime themed home which is performing well. It’s really fun and unique, and attracts a niche audience as well as other guests who just like the look of the home.

The going rate for a highly themed bedroom is about $10k if you are starting from scratch. Happy to introduce you to some very creative designers!


 Here is the anime house!
https://windsoratwestside.guestybookings.com/properties/645b...

Post: AIRBNB, VRBO, Where else do you get your STR bookings

Alice Horn
Posted
  • Property Manager
  • Kissimmee, FL
  • Posts 445
  • Votes 266

@Andrew Steffens great to know! Will be our next channel.

Post: STR Orlando theming

Alice Horn
Posted
  • Property Manager
  • Kissimmee, FL
  • Posts 445
  • Votes 266
Quote from @Jake Chial:

@Alice Horn

That would be great. Please list those companies

Will do, I’ll reach out shortly.

Post: AIRBNB, VRBO, Where else do you get your STR bookings

Alice Horn
Posted
  • Property Manager
  • Kissimmee, FL
  • Posts 445
  • Votes 266
Quote from @Andrew Steffens:

Hey Jake!

What part of FL are you looking at? I co-own a management company statewide but HQ in Tampa.

We use Abnb, VRBO/Homeaway, Booking.com, Allegiant and JetBlue Airlines, Google Vacation Rentals, Marriott Homes & Villas, and some other smaller ones that do not bring in much like Home2Go etc.  We also bring in about 15-20% through our direct booking site which is important.

A lot of those I listed only partner with PM with 50+ units so they will not be available if you are self managing.  Self Managing Airbnb and VRBO bring in about 90% of the business.  Booking.com and the others a combined 10% I would say.

 We do about 15% on our own website and push hard to gradually grow that side of the business through our blog, SEO etc. The rest is Airbnb with about 5% VRBO thrown in.
@Andrew Steffens how is Marriott performing for you?

Post: STR Orlando theming

Alice Horn
Posted
  • Property Manager
  • Kissimmee, FL
  • Posts 445
  • Votes 266
Quote from @Jake Chial:

Questions like these cause for a lot of variables. I get that. I'm looking for an answer from someone that has themed out a house before. Say your buying a house unfurnished. What did you spend when you were done? How many sqft? How many rooms did you theme?  If you have pictures/airbnb listing that would be great. How many rooms were professionally done. Im looking to move in on a house soon. I'm looking for long term. Im not worried about missing out on a season if I have to do a house up right. If a good one popped up, Im wondering cost vs one already done.

@Jake Chial I would be more excited about working with a blank slate. This gives you the opportunity for uniqueness. In this market, you are competing against many highly themed homes….. and many look similar.

Set your home apart! For instance, we are managing an Anime themed home which is performing well. It’s really fun and unique, and attracts a niche audience as well as other guests who just like the look of the home.

The going rate for a highly themed bedroom is about $10k if you are starting from scratch. Happy to introduce you to some very creative designers!

Post: Windsor Hills or Storey lake for STR?

Alice Horn
Posted
  • Property Manager
  • Kissimmee, FL
  • Posts 445
  • Votes 266
Quote from @Zach Mustafa:

Thank you so much @Michael Baum and @Shawn McCormick! I appreciate you both so  much!

@Shawn McCormick this was soooo incredibly helpful! We can’t thank you enough. We will definitely be using the unit for ourselves for at least 2 months of the year if not more. Would it make more sense to purchase a 4 bedroom 4 bath house at Windsor hills @530k than a 3/2 condo at 300k?

If either unit can make good profit that’s great but what’s more important for us is that it at least covers its own costs. We spend a lot of time in the Orlando area but don’t want to be completely upside down on our purchase. We absolutely love the area but feel a little confused since it is an investment. We know that we love the safety and security at Windsor hills but put storey lake in to consideration since we love how new storey lake is. 

Our budget definitely wouldn’t accommodate for a bigger home in either area. We just want a place that’s safe, clean, close to the parks and that will pay for it self and then some if possible. 

Hi Zach! We manage units in both Storey Lake and Windsor Hills. Based on your needs, I think you would prefer Windsor Hills. The resort has a homey feel, homes are spread out with more landscaping and privacy, and the amenities don’t get as crowded as SL. Importantly, Windsor Hills has outstanding security at the gate with strict rules for guests which are enforced. 

if your budget allows it, go for the 4/4. Pools always help with performance. We are happy to run numbers for you so you can compare revenue and occupancy between the different home types and resorts.

have fun with the search and reach out anytime!

Post: Experiences "upscaling" your STR for higher rates versus competing on price

Alice Horn
Posted
  • Property Manager
  • Kissimmee, FL
  • Posts 445
  • Votes 266
Quote from @JD Martin:

Good afternoon all my fellow STR'ers!

I have a home in Florida that I STR in Four Corners, FL when I'm not there. It is a good sized home (3000 sf) in a great location on a lake. I've done reasonably well renting it out, though I'm a little different than many STR owners in that it doesn't particularly bother me if it makes any money since I use it myself.

I'm at the point where I really need (or maybe want is a better term, since technically these things still function) to make some larger improvements - I want to remove the remaining carpet in the home for all LVT, finish out the modern touches I've put in like modern light fixtures, furniture, high dollar ceiling fans, etc, replace the countertops with a nice quartz, etc. For my own personal use and preferences, all of these things make sense. From a dollar cost point of view, I think they are probably of low utility, as a lot of the properties around here compete essentially on price only. 

My personal point of view is that I don't want to compete with the bottom feeders around here. Not only do I want a nicer home for the times I am there (several months during the year), I think that there could be a niche market for upscale properties that offer better furnishings and amenities. For example, up until now we've been strictly self-service, but I am considering adding some specific concierge services to stays. I am considering axing the weekend stay people as they seem to be hardest on properties and are also the cheapest/brokest guests. ETC. I've discussed the idea with my PM who doesn't think it is a bad idea but that it will almost certainly generate less bookings. That seems likely to me as well, though I'm not sure I care (I could leave the house vacant all year if I wanted). I'm not interested in "theming" like Star Wars or Disney rooms as my adult kids, siblings and older parents also come stay with us here and they don't need to sleep in Little Mermaid rooms. 

In any case, I'm hoping to get some insight from anyone who has upscaled their properties to attract a better class (and higher paying) of guests - what was your experience? Of course, if you're in the Orlando/Florida area that's a bonus, but anywhere is fine with me especially if it's a big vacation area. 


 Sorry I didn't post sooner, but your post raises some interesting questions.

1. you're getting ready to invest in your property, primarily because you and your family would enjoy it more. You don't want a "typical" Disney themed property.

2. Revenue isn't your TOP priority (but who wouldn't mind making a bit more money?)

3. Nearby properties compete mostly on price.

4. You would like to attract a niche market of better, higher paying guests and are considering concierge services as part of the package.

5. Your property is lakefront - a huge plus.

In my opinion, you can definitely improve the property in a way that will make it more comfortable/luxurious for your family AND attract a larger market of more discriminating guests willing to pay higher rates. If you are already investing in reno, go the extra mile to make the property really special.

1. I would consider a compromise solution - don't completely eliminate theming but add it to just a few rooms and do it in a tasteful "sophisticated" way that won't be off putting to family members. Let's face it, people come to Orlando to go to theme parks, and if you have NO theming you will exclude a large part of your market. Also, consider adding a game room if you don't already have one. That is another opportunity for theming and higher rates.

2. If you are not currently using dynamic pricing, I can't emphasize enough how important this is. For instance, consider longer stay minimums in peak season and allow shorter weekend stays (at higher rates) in the slower months. Having the correct approach to revenue management is super important, especially when nearby properties are purely price-driven. This is also why having the right decor is so important, to make it stand out.

3. For the Orlando/Disney market, not sure how much of a draw the concierge approach will be...but if you do it make sure it's done well. Whoever provides the service must be a pro. In my opinion, decor is way more important.

4. Really emphasize the lakefront view in photos. Consider adding some family-friendly amenities...4 square, Giant Jenga, a sturdy poolside basketball hoop etc. Make sure the outdoor table is beautifully set for photos. All of these things will help guests understand they can have a luxurious and fun stay in your property and justify higher rates.

Food for thought!

Post: advice for Airbnb design and rehab

Alice Horn
Posted
  • Property Manager
  • Kissimmee, FL
  • Posts 445
  • Votes 266
Quote from @Scott E.:

I understand your market to be competitive, which means you need to do something special to stand out.

That means completely change the look of this house. And furnish it nicely.

@Jon Martin gave great feedback on how to do this on a budget. But based on your original post, I highly recommend you hire a designer to guide you here.

 Your house has a ton of competition in Kissimmee. @Scott E. is absolutely correct. Unless you invest in new decor and put in some theming, your house will be viewed as budget accommodations and you'll get really low rates. Also, the theming should be current and look professional - you can't just throw a few decals on the walls. 

Take a look at the top performing homes in the area on airbnb and vrbo, and see what others have done. Good luck!

Post: Struggling with a strategy

Alice Horn
Posted
  • Property Manager
  • Kissimmee, FL
  • Posts 445
  • Votes 266
Quote from @Shawn McCormick:

Your agent should really be helping you with this side of it, if they are not knowledgable about these communities, I would move on.


Shawn is spot on about the communities he is recommending. Now, drill down on the correct home configuration and bedroom count within those communities to meet your goals. The number of beds in a home drives revenue (along with theming, pool, community, etc.)

Let’s say you want to compare a listing for an 8 bedroom pool home in Solara, vs. one in Windsor Island. We can help by running revenue and occupancy reports on those specific homes using our software. This can help demystify the process. Feel free to reach out…we’re happy to help!

Post: Pre-planned STR Communities? Looking for our first investment!

Alice Horn
Posted
  • Property Manager
  • Kissimmee, FL
  • Posts 445
  • Votes 266
The Orlando area has many communities purposely built to rent....when we were resecting our criteria was that we could self-manage/chose a pm and could optionally live in there too.
If you’re interested in Orlando, it has a wide range of gated communities with amenities to choose from. If you’re focused on a townhome, do your best to find one with a pool as rates and occupancies will be much better. You’ll also want to invest in some theming. Happy to discuss the pros and cons of the various home types and communities- reach out anytime!

Alice