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All Forum Posts by: Arron Paulino

Arron Paulino has started 58 posts and replied 233 times.

Post: Typical Rehab Budget for Live-In Flip

Arron PaulinoPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • South San Francisco, CA
  • Posts 248
  • Votes 89
Quote from @Alecia Loveless:

@Arron Paulino I don’t think there’s anything close to being a “typical” cost for a renovation.

It will depend on the size of the house, the scope of work, and the quality of materials used.

My first SFH renovation ended up taking 1 year because the inspector missed a ton of things and about a $50,000 cost. And this is with a contractor who charges no markup for materials and tries to source me the cheapest sub contractors.

After some time we are able to renovate with new flooring, new paint, new light fixtures, new bathroom fixtures and vanity, new kitchen countertops, and painting the kitchen cabinets and new cabinet hardware for about $7500 on a 1/1 or 2/1 apartment.

If you get into needing electrical work or plumbing costs rise considerably.


 I appreciate your response. That is what I am uncertain about but know I have to be prepared for it in terms of the hidden costs beyond the external fixes for the property. I think hiring a trusted contractor is my next step in getting actual numbers to see if the deal is worth pursuing or not. It will help alleviate stress and help me ease into finding the right fixer upper that is worth the time and money to invest.

Post: Typical Rehab Budget for Live-In Flip

Arron PaulinoPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • South San Francisco, CA
  • Posts 248
  • Votes 89
Quote from @Jaron Walling:

@Arron Paulino You need to come out of theory and into reality. 

You can't say "the home is listed at $500k for easy math and homes newly renovated are worth $800k." and expect that to be real life. If those were actual numbers you'd jump all over it. That's a great deal in this market and 5 other investor would be making offers. Your profile says San Francisco which is expensive but there are opportunities in every backyard. Narrow your goals and start looking for real opportunities.

"What is the typical rehab budget for a full gut versus a fixer-upper that needs some updating" - Double your rehab budget. This depends on the neighborhood, material/finishes, custom touches, new roof, HVAC, electrical, plumbing, and ARV. Regardless if you live-in the property or not it's a numbers game. You must manage your time (and skills), manage contractors, stick to a budget, and follow a strategy.


 Thanks for your reply. That is what I was thinking. I'll stick to the numbers and trust my gut. 

I figured that would be the case if something comes up to have a buffer for extra expenses.

Post: Typical Rehab Budget for Live-In Flip

Arron PaulinoPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • South San Francisco, CA
  • Posts 248
  • Votes 89

I am wondering what is a typical budget for a live-in flip. I am planning on buying a primary residence that I can get as a decent fixer-upper. It can be move-in ready and could use some TLC to increase the value of the home. What is a good strategy to use to reduce the list price when negotiating for a new home? One I know is days on the market but I would like to know a strategy more in terms of the work needing to be done on the property.

What is the typical rehab budget for a full gut versus a fixer-upper that needs some updating such as for the kitchen, bathroom, new carpet, roof, and/or driveway for example? Let's say the home is listed at $500k for easy math and homes newly renovated are worth $800k. My mind imagined it being $50-100k even at most. Would $50k be a decent budget to renovate a good chunk of the home? Would $100k be more than plenty to do an even greater job at making the home very much improved? I'm sure I would need a private/hard money lender before being able to refinance the property with a conventional lender to obtain funds for the home. Would a local credit union/bank be able to support this at purchase and/or once the rehab is completed? I would plan to put in a 5% down payment on the home.

My goal with this is to buy a cheaper home first, fix it up, and roll equity from that for the next big house/goal "dream" home in the future. Or this could end up being the dream home after all rehab is completed who knows?

Post: Portfolio: Keep or Sell

Arron PaulinoPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • South San Francisco, CA
  • Posts 248
  • Votes 89
Quote from @Adam Bartomeo:

Time to rent has nothing to do with selling it. But, you can always list it for sale while listing it for lease.


 Makes sense. Thanks for the reply!

Post: First Time Homebuyer in the Bay Area

Arron PaulinoPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • South San Francisco, CA
  • Posts 248
  • Votes 89

I am thinking about moving into a new home in the Bay Area and just got pre-approved for up to $800k conventional financing not FHA due to me owning rentals. I will probably only be budgeting to use up to $600k to be safe, which I know will be tight depending on what location is selected. I will be moving from the peninsula area of the bay to somewhere in the East Bay to a more affordable area (Possibly Hayward area or as far east around Antioch). The type of home that we've looked into is a condo (I am not a fan of HOA dues), apartment, new construction (ideal, but will this have equity in it later on?), or single-family home (open to finding one that needs to be rehabbed to build sweat equity). What should I be looking for? We've got stable W2's and good credit.

I do own OOS rentals that I acquired over the past few years. I am planning to liquidate a couple to put into the down payment. It is possible with finding a SFR I'd stay a few years and consider either keeping it as a rental or selling it and moving into another home.

What should I do in my scenario with the information given here? Thanks!

Post: Portfolio: Keep or Sell

Arron PaulinoPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • South San Francisco, CA
  • Posts 248
  • Votes 89
Quote from @Drew Sygit:

@Arron Paulino what does your PMC say about the vacancies?

Days On Market for rentals has been rising, up 36% in the last 2 years.

Some markets are worse than others, due to a lot of new construction units recently hitting the market.

Other questions to ask your PMC:

1) How many websites are your properties posted to?
---Can you find them there to verify?

2) How often are they sending you updated rental comparables to discuss price adjustments vs making improvements to meet the competition? Are they including interior pics so you can easily compare fit & finish?

3) What feedback are they giving you about inquiries, showings, feedback & applications?
--This can help identify potential marketing challenges.


 Thank you for the reply. My PMC suggests lowering the rent but it will be below market and less than what it had rented for before the previous tenant had it rented.

That's a good stat to know.

They currently have them marketed on their website and on the MLS sites. I have seen them so it's legit.

Not as often as I'd like since I am always following up on my own. They just say something via email without much context.

That is a good point so I can better understand what will get the ball rolling. I will follow up with PMC to see what action steps we need to take to get these rented. Otherwise, I am going to really consider selling them off to do something else.

Post: Portfolio: Keep or Sell

Arron PaulinoPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • South San Francisco, CA
  • Posts 248
  • Votes 89
Quote from @Brian S.:

First thing is the management company should be working for you. They shouldn’t “allow” you to do anything. I would get rid of them if they can’t rent the properties. They are profiting more by them not being rented than them being rented, based on what you’re saying. I don’t use management companies that charge me when it isn’t rented. I want them incentivized to rent it out, not to sit on it. I would also look at why they aren’t renting. There was just a bigger pockets podcast that came out yesterday (Friday) that talked about rents and the market. There is some analysis that needs done. See if you can run comps and narrow it down to the few that are in your neighborhood or as close as you can get to it. Once you have that, grab the mean and drop the price by $100 a month off it. I have been renting houses out for over a decade now and this has worked well for me. I have never had anything sit for more than a month. All that said, if these are D’s then you may be getting hit with supply issues, depending on your market. I would personally sell those now but I don’t like D’s so take it for what it’s worth. If it’s C or above, getting the new management company, doing any updates needed to be comparable to comps, and adjusting the price properly should correct this. That said, trading up is never bad but there isn’t enough information on what you have, your goals or you timelines for me to offer suggestions on whether or not you should sell. I would do the analysis first and based on what you find, see if the numbers make sense in your situation then make your decision based on those numbers. I hope that helps. 


 I appreciate your response. I've noticed that is the case and they haven't really been making effective moves in getting the properties rented any time soon. I would've expected it to be a good time to rent due to the season. Do property management companies usually have high portfolio minimum balances and upkeep expenses for properties? That's a good tip. I am surprised it is still sitting on the market when the rental rate is on par with the market. I am leaning towards liquidating so I can go into other ventures. Thanks for your time and clarity.

Post: Portfolio: Keep or Sell

Arron PaulinoPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • South San Francisco, CA
  • Posts 248
  • Votes 89

How long do you typically wait for a rental property to sit on the market before considering selling it? I have a property that has been on the market for over three months now without receiving a qualified tenant and I may want to sell it to get some liquidity.

It has also been hard to receive monthly profit for myself since my property management has a portfolio minimum of $2k until they allow me to take home proceeds at the end of the month. I get charged 10% on property management per rented property, lawn maintenance and service utility on the properties not rented, and miscellaneous expenses on little things that pop up for maintaining the properties. I currently have 4/7 properties rented out and 3/7 still on the rental market. One of those 3 I may be a little more patient with while the other 2/3 I am considering just liquidating.

I appreciate the thoughts on this!

Post: Educating Spouse On Real Estate Investing

Arron PaulinoPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • South San Francisco, CA
  • Posts 248
  • Votes 89
Quote from @Ray Hage:
Quote from @Arron Paulino:

I can see the benefits of real estate investing and want to learn how to explain this to my spouse. How do I go about making this a great tool to lead to financial independence? My spouse sees the cash flow coming in but is also worried about the risks that come with it such as having a loan for a property rather than having it all cash/paid off. How do I instill confidence rather than fear of failure in a sense? Does anyone else have this scenario when trying to reassure their partner that this is the way to go? I am all for real estate investing and preparing our future so we can be financially stable from real estate and not have to rely on our W2 income to survive.

I have been investing for four years now and have a few properties under my belt. I think at this stage it is seeing the capex items pop up and kind of wash away my cash flow is where this may come up also. Overall, I have been on the positive side and I think just seeing the breakeven is where the worry comes from.


 Your best option is to go to local RE meetups. There will definitely be a few investor couples and women there. Sometimes it's just easier to understand/accept a message from a stranger who has no skin in the game than it is from a loved one. Regarding your capex, I feel you on this! Last year was a rough one for me with big items popping up. Anyhow, it's just part of the game and if you keep your properties in good condition with good tenants...most of the time, you'll come out way ahead so no reason to fear or worry about the short term.


 Thanks for commenting! Essentially, I am looking to take care of my properties early on rather than dealing with the problem later on. This, I believe, will lead to tenants seeing that I care not only for my property but also for their living conditions. I see these properties as places I'd want to stay long-term even though they may be just rentals.

I will look into attending my local RE meetups as I can understand what other investors go through and seek advice from other couples who invest.

Post: Educating Spouse On Real Estate Investing

Arron PaulinoPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • South San Francisco, CA
  • Posts 248
  • Votes 89
Quote from @Nathan Gesner:
Quote from @Arron Paulino:

Don't spend the cash! Hold onto the cashflow from your investments and create a large reserve. Once that reserve is built, you'll have the financial security necessary to jump into the next investment without stretching your budget.


 Thanks for sharing advice! That is now my plan as I am liquidating the "losers" in my portfolio and working on building up my reserves to properly invest in the next investment.