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All Forum Posts by: Account Closed

Account Closed has started 6 posts and replied 90 times.

Post: Finding Multifamily with Cashflow in Los Angeles

Account ClosedPosted
  • Los Angeles, CA
  • Posts 95
  • Votes 46
Originally posted by @Kevin Crosson:

Hey BP members,

So there’s a lot of talk these days about how multifamily properties with strong cash flow in Los Angeles are just about nonexistent. Well, I’m going to try to change your mind on that, and make a case for investing in apartments South LA (yes, the one, the only, the infamous, South Central LA)!

I’m sure most of you have a certain picture of South Central LA in your mind, and it’s probably not a pretty one. That’s still the case for most investors out there, and I think this presents an opportunity for investors looking to find affordable apartment buildings with potential for solid appreciation in the near future. Because of that not-so-pretty picture most investors have in their mind, the first word that comes out of their mouths when they’re offered an investment in South LA is a big fat NO. Here’s where your opportunity lies: this immediate rejection of the idea causes these others to overlook some pretty significant changes happening in South LA that (in my humble opinion) are the first signs of transformation.

Here are the signs:

1) The Crenshaw/LAX Metro line is on track to be finished in 2019. This line will start off the Exposition Line in the West Adams neighborhood, and head all the way down to LAX. This will take it through many of the neighborhoods in South LA that are most in need of revitalization, and the construction will bring jobs, accessibility, and desirability to South LA.

2) Metro also just received a $15,000,000 grant to transform underused railroad tracks along Slauson Ave. into a 6.4 mile long walking and biking trail. The trail will start at the Crenshaw line, and run west along Slauson Ave. to eventually connect with the LA river. This path takes this major urban improvement right through South LA.

3) The Vermont Entertainment Village is scheduled to open Winter 2016, in the Vermont Knolls neighborhood of South LA. This center will be a major lifestyle shopping center (along the lines of The Grove and other outdoor malls throughout LA), and is being built on land that used to house shops that were burned out in the LA Riots in the 90’s. To me, The Village marks the healing of a major wound for South LA, and will help revitalize an area that has stagnated for twenty years.

Now, these signs alone aren’t (or at least probably shouldn’t) be enough to send you charging into South LA with your offer-signing pens blazing. But, I think they signal a strong reason to take advantage of these enticing aspects of multifamily housing South LA:

1) Unparalleled cash flow for the LA area. There are quite a few buildings on the market in the area with CAP rates in the 8-10% range (which should make most LA investors feel all tingly inside).

2) Accessible pricing, ranging from as low as the $300k’s to about $1.2 Million. These prices (on average) sit well below almost all other areas of LA.

3) The chance to beat gentrification. As South LA continues to develop and revitalize, investors who buy in the near future will find themselves the beneficiaries of the significant appreciation in value that accompanies redevelopment. So, in five-ten years, you may be feeling the way investors in Mid-Cities, Koreatown, and other areas are feeling today.

So, I hope this post entices you to take a look at South LA if you’re looking for multifamily with strong cash flow and potential for appreciation in the LA area. Of course, investing in this area still requires thought for you as an investor, to determine if you’re willing to take on the challenges that are unique to South LA. Do your research, and especially concentrate on finding a management company who has demonstrated strong experience in the area, so that you know you have a team in place that can provide the expertise the area demands. But, if you’re an investor who wants to be on the forefront of emerging markets and you’re willing to assume the risks that accompany this, South LA may be for you.

That’s all, folks. Now I want to hear from YOU! Let me know if you think this opportunity is as ripe as I do, or if you think I’m off my rocker. As always, don’t hesitate to reach out with questions on any part of this post.

Hi Kevin,

south LA receive a lot of attention these days, lots of speculation; but let me tell you something, we've worked in this area for the past 6 years, and have seen absolutely no positive changes. I would even argue that it is getting worst. Most of south LA is section 8 and rent controlled buildings, so the crowd stays the same. Lots of dirt, squatters, drug trafficking, cars burning, all kind of illegal businesses, evictions, dramas etc. The local authorities do not give a f*** about what's happening in this part of the city and any attemps to draw their attention on local issues is useless. The police, the building and safety, etc all administrations in south LA are highly disfunctional and neglecting. Yes, the new metro, the new stadium but i'm very sceptical about south LA being gentrified in the near future. The beneficiary will be Inglewood but not south LA. 

Everything east of Crenshaw and south of the 10 should be no investment zone with a few exceptions around USC and a few other pockets. Any change if it ever happens will take decades. Even Silverlake, mid city aren't really gentrified so betting on South LA gentrification is pretty far stretched imo 

also be aware that at each recession / market dip these poor districts gets hammered very hard and get loads of foreclosures, hence the higher cap rates  

Post: BRRRR....top of the market

Account ClosedPosted
  • Los Angeles, CA
  • Posts 95
  • Votes 46
Originally posted by @Amit M.:

@Account Closed sure, people have been saying that for 30+ years...

There are several key reasons for this consistently long term upward trend, and @Connie Chan touched on some of them. I don’t know too many Bay Area investors who sold and didn’t regret it a few years later. 

I'm aware of this, but... it's all about risk / reward and the ratio for me is unfavorable. Prices cannot continue to go up forever if incomes do not follow. What goes up, must go down at some point. Also i don't see the point of having investment properties with negative cash flow; what happens if you lose 30% of your rental incomes? This is what happened to many apartment building owners in CA in 2008

People who bet on appreciation only, especially at this point of the market cycle are imho gamblers

Post: I bought property in Colombia and I don't think I'm crazy.

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  • Los Angeles, CA
  • Posts 95
  • Votes 46

@Oscar Montealegre

Hey Oscar,

interesting, i also have family in Cartagena and was recently considering checking the local development opportunities.

Can I ask you what kind of deal you got to finance your acquisitions? Rates and terms

Post: My million dollar first flip

Account ClosedPosted
  • Los Angeles, CA
  • Posts 95
  • Votes 46
Originally posted by @Account Closed:

I live in the SF Bay Area and have been through lots of renovations (5 properties) through the years, but I’m working on getting my first real flip and use of a private money lender.

I’ve raised 1.1 million but need to raise the remaining 150K. I’ve put many requests into private lenders but haven’t had luck.

Can anyone recommend a strategy to raise the remaining fund in next few days? Ive already considered credit cards and family and friends.

I'm going to be blunt, but if hard money lenders are not willing to lend you 13% of the project against 87% of equity i would seriously question the feasibility of your project. You may find investors here on BP but imo any project that makes sense gets institutional funding; if you don't, it means you are either overextended or your project is flawed and the risk reward ratio unfavorable. The CA market is high risk right now and lenders are getting conservative. If you don't have a track record and can't prove your project will margin minimum 25% you will have a very hard time finding institutional funding. Many investors are on the sideline now waiting for a the market to show a clear direction. The CA residential market could easily tank 15-20% (or not) this year so i'd be very conservative and only select safe projects with high profit margins 

On another note, if the tech stocks bubble bursts this year the CA real estate market and particularly the bay area could take a serious toll 

Post: Fix and flip investors pulling back in LA?

Account ClosedPosted
  • Los Angeles, CA
  • Posts 95
  • Votes 46
Originally posted by @David Varvaro:

Just curious to see what most Los Angeles area investors are looking for these days. I've noticed a significant change in the demand for fixers in the LA area over the last year. A year ago, you could list anything that was a fixer and it would sell with multiple offers over asking within a day.  

Now most of my investor clients are passing on most traditional fix and flips even off market properties with nice spreads that they would have swooped up year ago. Almost all of them have shifted to higher end markets and are only buying complete tear downs and doing new builds or smaller MF complete rehabs.  

The market has softened somewhat but there is still a high demand in most of the  entry level neighborhoods.  Just wondering what other investors are focusing on in the LA area.

hi David,

how is the higher end doing in LA? i see most new constructions selling in the 2 - 4 millions in LA move pretty quickly (less than 3 months)

There is without any doubt a slowing down in southern california but maybe part of the problem lies in the quality of the flips and more generaly the real estate. The market is just becoming normal and more reasonable. Truth is 99% of real estate in LA is absolute garbage, and the prices cannot be pushed up forever on obsolete junk houses.  Litteraly anyone can do a flip, hence the increasing loss of interest for rehabbed homes. Customers are more careful and want value;  investors will have to work harder and harder to make their money. You can spend as much as you want in upgrades and renovations a bad house will always remain a bad house. I've seen since 2012 the interest shifting toward modern homes with new sleek and efficient and cost effective designs

Post: Buy SF in LA or MF outside of California?

Account ClosedPosted
  • Los Angeles, CA
  • Posts 95
  • Votes 46
Originally posted by @Joan Pla:

@Account Closed and @Patrick Fraire thanks for the suggestion, both of you recommend Riverside, but the reality is that I can't move to Riverside since it would take me 2.5hrs each way to where I work (Venice Beach)... 

I think Inglewood still has potential, me and my wife drove around the Stadium area a couple of weeks ago to understand better the neighborhood and even though it may be already overpriced, I think houses will keep going up with all the development. I hope that with the market slowing down and some luck, we find something interesting.

@Kevin Evans yeah, not San Francisco for me :) I love the city but prices there, you know well they are non-sense!! :)

Prices are going down in LA; i'd be you i'd just rent in Venice and see where the market will be one year from now, unless you find a spectacular deal

Post: Buy SF in LA or MF outside of California?

Account ClosedPosted
  • Los Angeles, CA
  • Posts 95
  • Votes 46

@Joan Pla

I own a large commercial property in Inglewood but i bought it in 2012. The area is already too expensive imo. I think there is too much hype about this area to make any decent deal for now; i would rather look around riverside and try to find something that cash flow

Post: Just Finished a $2.2Mill Georgian Colonial Flip in LA-Take a look

Account ClosedPosted
  • Los Angeles, CA
  • Posts 95
  • Votes 46
Originally posted by @Shawn Ward:

Oh yes @Joseph M. !  Here are the numbers:

1. Purchase: $1.485M

2. Rehab: $260k

3. Holding: $68k

4. Sell: $2.2M (Projected)

Thanks!

sjw

Hey Shawn,

beautiful house.

Can i ask you how long did it take from acquisition till resale and what was your final exit price?

Post: Another Will Barnard Success Story

Account ClosedPosted
  • Los Angeles, CA
  • Posts 95
  • Votes 46

@Will Barnard

Awsome

Can I ask you what was the average timeline of these projects? The problem I see in LA is the huge waste of time dealing with construction permits

Post: BRRRR....top of the market

Account ClosedPosted
  • Los Angeles, CA
  • Posts 95
  • Votes 46

@Connie Chan

I wouldn’t be so sure about sf being a safe haven. There is a massive tech bubble waiting for to pop, and when this will happen dozens of thousands will be laid off, many start ups will be liquidated and the Bay Area RE market will be affected without any doubt

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