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All Forum Posts by: CJ M.

CJ M. has started 52 posts and replied 1109 times.

Post: Commercial loan terms in Jan, 2024?

CJ M.Posted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Canton, OH
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What are most seeing (range) for cashflow per door (w/mortgage) on apartments these days?

Post: Commercial loan terms in Jan, 2024?

CJ M.Posted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Canton, OH
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Quote from @Chris Mason:

These are best execution: Great credit, DSCR>1.25, not a first time landlord, some will include a requirement that you establish a banking relationship with the lender. Ballpark 1-2 pts in most cases. Lots of 25 year amortization options, but 30 is often doable in our network.


 Thank you Chris, I appreciate your response

Post: Commercial loan terms in Jan, 2024?

CJ M.Posted
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  • Canton, OH
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Quote from @Alex Church:

Rates are typically always higher for 5+ units and commercial properties. Most of the multi-family properties that my clients have asked about do not have a good cash flow right now from what I've been seeing. To be honest, I would stick with 1-4 units until rates go down more. 


 Yeah, it seems todays rates make it more imperative to get a solid deal upfront in order to take on a mortgage.

Post: Commercial loan terms in Jan, 2024?

CJ M.Posted
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  • Canton, OH
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Quote from @Jonathan R McLaughlin:

you can get all kind of answers here but for starters:

most commercial loans at least 25% down

expect amortizations over 20 or 25 years

most commercial loans are tied to an index + spread and have a reset after or balloon (all paid) a set period of time, your rate will depend on the period 5, 7, 10 year. Take a look at the federal home loan bank rate table. Banks will put a "spread" on top of that to get their rate. 

A 4.67 5 year rate (loan either resets or balloons in 5 years) with a 2.50 spread will give you a rate of 7.17%

Most banks will want a debt coverage ratio of 1.2 or above

Debt strategy and refi issues, along with large cash positions and exchanges are common. At $750K, you are in a lower number commercial property, so expect a little more residential flavor but the above should give you a general idea.

Also: You will NEVER read a seller provided pro-forma that is accurate. Do they inclued capex reserve in the CAP rate/NOI? Property managment? Whats the vacancy rate they are using? Current or projected rents? Etc.

Hope this helps.


 Thank you for your response!

Post: Commercial loan terms in Jan, 2024?

CJ M.Posted
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  • Canton, OH
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Quote from @Nate Herndon:

Hi CJ, I quoted some 5+ unit multifamily this week between 8.50-9.25% (depending on prepayment penalty). That was at 75% LTV.

80% LTV = 9.50%
75% LTV = 8.75%
70% LTV = 8.50%

Those are 30-year fixed rates. The 5/1 ARM program will be -0.25% on rate. DSCR requirement is 1.15 minimum, or 1.00 for a higher rate.


 This is helpful, thank you!

Post: Commercial loan terms in Jan, 2024?

CJ M.Posted
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  • Canton, OH
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Hello,

Full transparency :) I'm 'green' when it comes to commercial real estate as I typically invest in single family and duplexes. Anyway, I came across a 12-unit that I wanted to run some rough numbers on. From what I can tell, it's a 7.4% Cap in a solid B/B+ neighborhood (not sure what the avg cap is in the area yet though). 

Problem is, when I add in debt service (assuming the loan terms I see on single family homes), it's cashflow is negative. What are you all seeing for commercial loan terms (%, LTV, Closing, etc.)? Before I tie up any lenders time/realtors time I'm just trying to get some practice running multi-unit numbers and see if this one is worth pursuing further. Purchase price=$750,000, fully occupied/mostly long-term tenants, under-market rents, no deferred maintenance, very nice 1/1 units (lofts), solid B/B+ area.

Thank you in advance for any feedback/advice.

Post: HELP! Contractor Woes on my first investment property!

CJ M.Posted
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  • Canton, OH
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Quote from @Bruce Woodruff:
Quote from @CJ M.:


The problem with some contractors is they work many projects at once. If any of those fall behind or cost more, they take money from another project to cover it...thus causing another investor(s) issues.

Understood, the problem is (and I'm not implying all contractors are this way) when money is paid by one person and then used to fund another persons project. I see this happen with inexperienced and/or shady contractors from time-to-time in my area. When it does, they just disappear and don't finish a job. Again, not all contractors are this way...one just has to be careful with who they use.

Any decent General Contr will have a few jobs going at once. They need to keep their crews and their subs busy and there are always delays on jobs where you need to take your guys over to another jobsite to work.

Examples - The lumber does not arrive when it was supposed to. Or the customer does not pay when they're supposed to.....You can't have your guys standing around all day, so you get them over to other jobs.


Post: HELP! Contractor Woes on my first investment property!

CJ M.Posted
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  • Canton, OH
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@Katelynn Malivert

I'm so happy to hear you got your money back!!...and I would totally pursue your legal options since they tried breaking in! One other thing I'd add is that I never pay my contractors in full before the work is done. If anything, consider breaking the payments up into chunks. Agree on payment after X is done...then another payment after Y is done...etc.

The problem with some contractors is they work many projects at once. If any of those fall behind or cost more, they take money from another project to cover it...thus causing another investor(s) issues.

Anyway, my two cents :)

Post: Health insurance for the "single" folk with no W2

CJ M.Posted
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  • Canton, OH
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Quote from @Alecia Loveless:

@CJ M. Hi CJ. I just quit my W-2 and got my own health insurance policy.

I use an individual insurance broker for my property insurance. Their brokerage does not sell health insurance but she hooked me up with a different insurance company that does sell health insurance and that broker walked me through all of my options on the Exchange. He discussed my individual needs and in the end recommended a Silver policy based on what we had discussed and much like you my policy was to be around $450/month. However, based on my projected income for 2024 he was able to get me a $350/month rebate or discount, not sure which off of the original cost bringing down my total cost to $99.20/month.

While I have no idea of your situation and specifics and I truly hope you are making hundreds of thousands of dollars more than I will be this coming year, if you are not going to be making a bazillion dollars it might pay off to contact an independent insurance broker to see if you qualify for a discount on that policy because before this gentleman told me about it I had no idea there were these types of discounts.


 This is very helpful, thank you. I never thought about brokers! Any recommendations on the best way to find a good one?

Post: Health insurance for the "single" folk with no W2

CJ M.Posted
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@CJ M.

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