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All Forum Posts by: Cory O'Dell

Cory O'Dell has started 7 posts and replied 115 times.

Post: First Deal Complete!

Cory O'DellPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Dayton, OH
  • Posts 142
  • Votes 74

Congrats on your first deal! With $24k invested, did you get a jump in ARV?

Post: First Deal Complete!

Cory O'DellPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Dayton, OH
  • Posts 142
  • Votes 74
Originally posted by @Brandon Frulla:

@Anthony Cifarelli congrats! I hope to be buying my first property in a few months. Is there any reason why you went with a conventional 5% loan when you (potentially) could've gone with a 3.5% FHA?

Sounds like he doesn't live in the property and FHA needs to be owner occupied.

Post: Using seller financing to buy a deal you otherwise wouldn't

Cory O'DellPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Dayton, OH
  • Posts 142
  • Votes 74

Anyone else want to chime in? 

Post: Using seller financing to buy a deal you otherwise wouldn't

Cory O'DellPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Dayton, OH
  • Posts 142
  • Votes 74
Originally posted by @Chris Szepessy:

I would probably go for it. I have two rentals that were seller financed for $0 down, no interest for 10 and 12 years. I basically break even on them, but I look at it as I "saved" $57,000 in down payment money. In your case, you could spend $4,000 instead of $20,000 for the down payment, "saving" you $16,000 to use towards another property. Also, if all goes well, you will probably be the first person the seller goes to when he sells the rest of his portfolio.

Thanks for the advice, good point on being able to roll the money "saved' into other deals then as well. I'm just trying to think long term, and we're swaying towards doing it and keeping our long term goal in sight. It wouldn't set us back much in future acquisitions since so little down would be required, and as long as we can account for all expenses and still break even or be a little green every month I think it still furthers our goal.

Being the first person he calls up would certainly be a nice bonus for future properties as well.

Post: Using seller financing to buy a deal you otherwise wouldn't

Cory O'DellPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Dayton, OH
  • Posts 142
  • Votes 74

What's up BP!

So a backstory that will tie into this post. Our overarching REI goal is to acquire 7-10 properties in total and pay them all off in 10-15 years using the rental debt snowball method (with plentiful contributions from our W-2 jobs). We are currently in the "aggressive acquisition" stage. I'm active duty Air Force with about 10 years to go until retirement, which is driving that timeline/goal. We have acquired 3 properties so far, all single family homes. Our last deal now has us in recovery/capital rebuilding mode. It will take another year or so until we're ready to buy again using traditional financing just with the savings from our W-2 jobs.

However, our CPA has a client looking to slowly offload his entire portfolio in our area, starting with two in 2019: a duplex and a SFR. The seller offered the CPA his SFR (not as an investment but for him to actually live in), and with the seller's permission, the CPA referred us to him for a first look at the duplex. He's an older gentlemen in his late 70s with no real rush to sell, but we learned his motivation is just that his wife wants him to stop spending time "landlording" with his age. We also learned he doesn't want to work with a realtor and deal with putting it on the market and everything that comes along with that. Basically, it seems like he views it as an inconvenience and doesn't want to put in the effort to try to sell his portfolio.

The kicker here is he's willing to do seller financing, 30 year amortized with options to pay it off at 5 years and 10 years, since around then there should be enough equity to refinance (his words). He didn't say interest rate specifically but he did say just above normal market rate, so my guess is maybe 6-7%. He also said he requires "some" down but less than banks...it sounds like he's not really particular. My guess is it depends on the deal/buyer because he mentioned one time he did full 20% down. For our numbers sake, we are going to negotiate/plan for 5% down so he at least feels we have some skin in the game.

Now, the property. 2 bed/1 bath each side duplex built in 1957, he didn't say asking price but said (paraphrasing) "Zestimate says about $100k but you look at the market and see what you think"...his mentality has seemed pretty carefree about it all. It currently rents for $515 and $450 (he said he lowered the rent on one because of some tenant sob story). Both long-term renters...one has been there 10 years and the other 5 years. Current market rents seem to be between $575-650 depending on if the utilities are included or not. He's a genuine guy and sounds like he just doesn't care that much about maximizing his profits (properties are paid off), and the rents probably haven't been changed since they moved in, except one-side rent has even been lowered *eye roll*. We're assuming they're on month to month leases and will likely not renew if we purchase the property unless they pass our screening standards and are willing to pay market rent.

The numbers: with an $80k purchase price, 5% down, $550 rents for each side (trying to be conservative), 6.5% interest, property taxes $2000 per year, insurance $650 per year, then including the normal percentages for vacancy/maintenance/cap-ex/PM, and the water bill of approx. $80 per month (his info), cash flow per month is $42. Not even close to what we would usually shoot for in an investment.

However, using seller financing would allow us to purchase the property when we otherwise wouldn't be able to, and looking at our overall goals, if we wait to buy one property per year from saving our W-2 income we wouldn't realistically be able to "finish" the acquisition stage and start paying them down for maybe 7-8 years, plus another 10-15 years to actually pay them all off. Basically the math just doesn't work for our goals at the current acquisition rate.

Sorry for such a long post I just wanted to get all the details out there...but the question for BP is, would you purchase a property that fits your goals even if it doesn't do much for cash flow until it's paid off? What are your thoughts?

Post: Best app for managing finances and tracking money fo RE investing

Cory O'DellPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Dayton, OH
  • Posts 142
  • Votes 74

Tellusapp.com. You can use their website or use the app...we just use the app. It's similar to cozy I think but we like having an app on our phones to quickly put in a receipt or expense or whatever.

Post: Ohio New Member Inro

Cory O'DellPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Dayton, OH
  • Posts 142
  • Votes 74
Originally posted by @Matt Kitchen:
Originally posted by @Cory O'Dell:
Originally posted by @Matt Kitchen:
@Steve Emling getting a HELOC out of an appreciated property is a great idea! Since I don't currently have a property, what do you think is the best way to finance?

House hacking and doing an FHA loan on a 2-4 unit that with some value-add potential seems to incorporate many of the best wealth growing RE strategies...house hacking (someone else pay your mortgage), FHA loan (as little as 3.5% down payment), 2-4 unit (allows the house hack option and provides greater potential for cash flow compared to one unit SFR), and value-add (to force equity/appreciation). This option allows you to take your time while you fix up the units and save money while someone else pays your mortgage, all while forcing appreciation. After a year you can refinance out of the FHA loan into a conventional loan (to ditch the PMI) and repeat. It's basically a summary of the BRRRR strategy as well.

This is exactly how I want to start out. I just hope I can find a good property in a neighboorhood that would need a proper amount of fix-up, but would also be alright to live in for a time. I also hope I will be able to analyze the property well enought to execute the BRRRR strategy.

Something else to add is that if you live in the property for 2 years you can sell without paying any capital gains tax. So if you do a live in then flip house and stay there 2 years before selling (unless that tax law has changed in the past year or so, consult with a CPA for specifics) it would be a good strategy on top of what I originally posted. I believe it's 2 out of the last 5 years, so with that in mind you could live in it for 2 years while you fix it up, rent it out for 3 years and sell it and still not pay the tax on it. Or at that time you may decide to keep it as a cash flowing rental property. Just more tools in the tool belt, as they say!

Post: Should I refinance or not? (With numbers)

Cory O'DellPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Dayton, OH
  • Posts 142
  • Votes 74

Nothing wrong with a cool 12%

Post: What is your system for collecting rent?

Cory O'DellPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Dayton, OH
  • Posts 142
  • Votes 74

We use Tellus Rental Management software on our phones. They have a website but the app has been really ergonomic and easy to use. It's essentially the same as cozy.co, but we like having the app, which to my knowledge cozy.co doesn't have as an option. Hasn't been an issue with tenants yet but if it does we'll use a P.O. Box for cashier's checks or money orders. It's also free and allows you to stop payments should an eviction start, which was something we wanted to have available since other things like PayPal, Zelle, or Venmo etc doesn't have as an option.

Post: Newbie in Dayton, Ohio

Cory O'DellPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Dayton, OH
  • Posts 142
  • Votes 74

Welcome!