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All Forum Posts by: Cornelius Charles

Cornelius Charles has started 20 posts and replied 413 times.

Post: First time flip!! Need advice

Cornelius Charles
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  • Oxnard, CA
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@Scott McCutcheon My wife and i just completed our first flip. My main piece of advice would be not to rush into anything just to get your first deal.  We were so antsy to get our first one that we were trying to make numbers work that really weren't there.  Luckily, none of those "deals" ever came to fruition.  After a while, we became more patient until we actually found a real deal.  In southern california, it's pretty hard to find good deals, but don't try to make a deal when there isn't one there. 

Post: My Direct Mail Campaign Results Have Been Atrocious

Cornelius Charles
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  • Oxnard, CA
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@Brian Davis I would take one disheartening call asking not to be contacted if I got a deal out of that campaign any day of the week.  I'd like to congratulate you on the deal that you did get. 

Post: $140,805.92 profit on our first flip...Thank you Bigger Pockets!

Cornelius Charles
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  • Oxnard, CA
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  • Votes 187

Thank you everyone for your kinds words and encouragement.  

@Jerry Padilla We are about 60 miles north of Los Angeles and the home is located on a channel and has a boat dock instead of a backyard.  There are not too many of these homes in the city, so obviously people are willing to pay a premium for the water access. The same home a few miles inland would go for less than 400K.

@Raquel Pea Selling the property was easy. We opened escrow 4 or 5 days after putting it on the market. The only marketing we used was putting it on the MLS and holding an open house the first weekend it was on the market. Actually, I take that back. We had a "coming soon" sign in the front yard during the rehab, but not sure how much effect that had. Our goal is to price our rehabs so that we get good action within the first two weeks of being on the market. My opinion is that we still have a pretty decent seller's market in our area of Southern California, so we didn't have to market it as some other areas might have to.

@Camille Reynolds I think that I posted most of the interesting details above.  If you have any specific questions, please let me know.  

Post: $140,805.92 profit on our first flip...Thank you Bigger Pockets!

Cornelius Charles
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  • Oxnard, CA
  • Posts 438
  • Votes 187

@Dumitru Zah

It looks like I left that part out.  We closed on the property on Sept 10th, began demo the following Monday, put it on the market November 27th, received two full price offers 4 days later, and sold it Jan 13th.  

Post: $140,805.92 profit on our first flip...Thank you Bigger Pockets!

Cornelius Charles
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  • Oxnard, CA
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Here is a brief summary of the deal. I will try and keep it short and to the point, but if there are any questions, please let me know. And to any other new investors reading this, I just wanted to add that neither my wife nor I have any prior real estate experience (although my wife received her real estate salesperson license last June to help with our investments), but we knew that we had to take the plunge at some point. If you do your homework beforehand, don’t be afraid if you don’t know the answers to everything as you will find them out as you go.

Property details:

1216 sq ft, 2 bed, 2 bath, located in Oxnard California

Original Analysis - Purchase Price 500K, rehab 66K, ARV 724K

Final numbers - Purchase Price 500K, rehab 93K, sold price 820K

We got the lead from our absentee owner direct mail campaign. My wife fielded the owner's phone call and we made an appointment to view the home at the tenant's earliest convenience. I don't remember if it was a scheduling conflict or what, but I was the only one who went to view this house initially. If my wife was there, she probably would have caught a mistake or two that I made in the repair estimate. Using a repair estimate spreadsheet that comes with our CRM software, I came up with 66K in rehab costs. Using this number, we presented the seller with 3 different offers of varying purchase prices and terms using hard money, conventional loan, and seller financing (he owned the house free and clear). He chose the offer that we presented using the price and terms from us getting a conventional loan, which was $500K. At this point, we did not know where we would find the rehab costs, but I explained to the seller that one of our contingencies would be a financing contingency to confirm that we would be able to obtain the appropriate financing, and he was okay with that. From speaking to lenders previously, I was pretty sure that we would qualify for bank financing, so all we would have to do is find the rehab costs. At this point, our exit strategies in order of preference were to fix and flip the home ourselves, find another investor to form some sort of JV agreement, or to wholesale the property. Fortunately for us, since the seller and the tenants were good friends, the seller asked us to delay the closing date for 6 weeks after whenever we would get the thumbs up from the bank to give his friend time to find a new place to live. Obviously we agreed to that, since we would not be losing any money in holding costs prior to closing and that gave us more time to find the rehab money. Long story short, our lender approved our loan and during the 6 weeks we gave the tenant to find a home, my wife's broker's dad heard about our deal and approached her to see if he could get a piece of it somehow. He said that he would either lend us 75K for repair costs at 8% or he would offer whatever amount the rehab ended up being, as well as pay all our holding costs and have access to him as a mentor for 50% of the profit. In the end, we chose the latter because we were not sure if we would be able to stay under 75K and that our bank account might end up cutting it close if we ended up holding the property for much longer than 4 or 5 months. We negotiated him down to only receiving 40% of the profit, as he was not coming out of pocket the entire purchase price and we felt like obtaining the bank loan in my name stood for something.

As far as the rehab is concerned, we only collected bids from 3 contractors as it was difficult getting people in the home with the tenant still living there (he took the entire 6 weeks to move out). We ended up choosing the contractor that our money lender had done business with for decades as we felt their relationship provided some level of credibility. Based off of our original scope of work, his bid was $62K. Between the 2 or 3 months since the seller initially contacted us and us actually closing, there had been some good activity in the neighborhood and we deiced to finish our rehab near the level of a bigger model that had sold down the street for 930K. The upgraded finishes along with us missing a few things on our scope of work increased our final rehab number to 93K, but we believed the comps would support an ARV of around 800K by doing so. We did not follow some of the lessons that we had learned beforehand when it came to developing a schedule with a contractor, so our 6 week rehab somehow became 9 weeks, which seems kind of ridiculous on a 1216 sq ft home to me. In the end, everything worked out and we were able to overcome the little hurdles as they came up. As I said to begin with, we knew that we did not know what we were doing, but we had confidence in our education and believed that we would solve the problems one at a time as they came up. This post was much longer than I initially intended, so I will end it here and answer any questions as they might come up. For those asking for pictures, since I cannot post links on this thread, if you google "Dream Home Property Solutions," you should be able to find our website pretty easily. Go to "Recent Projects" in the top menu bar and you'll find a link that will take you to pics and videos of our progress throughout the project.

Post: $140,805.92 profit on our first flip...Thank you Bigger Pockets!

Cornelius Charles
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  • Investor
  • Oxnard, CA
  • Posts 438
  • Votes 187

To everyone asking about details, I didn't really think of it before, but i will post some details of the deal within the next day or so.  

@Joel Owens I don't know if it came across correctly, but i was being sarcastic in that last comment.  I was trying to play off of the comments that Josh makes on the podcasts about people mistaking his role in the company.  I should know by now that my sarcasm never works when it's not in person.

Post: $140,805.92 profit on our first flip...Thank you Bigger Pockets!

Cornelius Charles
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  • Investor
  • Oxnard, CA
  • Posts 438
  • Votes 187

Before I begin and receive any responses that my title is not accurate, I just want to state upfront that only 60% of that profit goes to us and the other 40% goes to our private money lender.

Now that I got that out of the way, I just wanted to take some time to thank BP and the people on this site for helping my wife and I successfully complete our first ever flip. I am sure that a lot of the successful investors on here are super busy, and I’m not sure what your reasons are for contributing to this site, but I just wanted you guys to know that your efforts are definitely not wasted. I will not speak for any other newbies, but the knowledge and insight that I have gained from many of you has been invaluable. My wife and I would have been happy if we would have just broken even on our first flip, but thanks to everyone here, we more than met our expectations.  The victory is a little bitter sweet though, as our lead funnel has been dry for quite some time now.  We plan on reinvesting a portion of the profit into marketing to hopefully reach our goal of 4 flips in 2016.

Please pardon me for name dropping, but I also want to take a second and thank some of the people whose comments and/or posts I have been following over the last year and a half or so.  I really appreciate the time you take to help others who are just starting out.  Although some of you write about different niches than I am interested in, I have learned something from each of you.  I am sure that I'm missing a few others, but here goes:

@Antonio Coleman@Chad Carson@Ali Boone@Danny Johnson@Jeff Greenberg@Mindy Jensen@Scott Trench@Rick H..  ;)  Thank you for everything that you guys do and please keep up the great work!

Post: Diary of a New (wannabe) Investor in Southern California

Cornelius Charles
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  • Oxnard, CA
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I want to start off by thanking everyone who has commented and asked questions on this thread for the past half-year or so. This will be my last weekly update on this thread. However, I feel like it would be kinda anti-climactic to just leave for good. Although we completed our first flip, we still have a lot of work to do to meet our 2016 (and beyond) goals. They say that getting your first flip under your belt is the hardest, and while that may be true, our pipeline is bone dry and we have ZERO leads right now. I think that I will post somewhere between monthly and quarterly just to check in and show any progress that we have made. I am hoping that by increasing our marketing budget and hitting a couple of other lists with our direct mail, we can start getting more leads in our funnel. If anyone has any future comments or questions, of course I will continue to answer them. For some reason, I don’t seem to get notifications of new posts on this thread, so make sure that you tag me so that I know that you posted.

4509 Falkirk Bay

We finally closed on Falkirk last Wednesday and I picked up our check from Escrow. The total profit from the deal is $140,805.92, of which we get 60% and our partner gets 40%. My wife also received $9500 in commission from being the listing agent. I documented most of our challenges and lessons learned already, so I won't go into any details here. I just want to reinforce that we knew nothing about flipping a home before we started this process. Yes, we read a lot and learned as much as we could, but putting it into action is a different story. This was also the first house I ever bought, so the escrow process was entirely new to me as well. For all the other newbies, it is ok to be nervous and not know everything before doing your flip. Don't be afraid to ask questions along the way and you will learn as you go. Of course, you need to know your purchase price, ARV, and repair costs to confirm that you are getting a good deal, but you will learn a lot about the rehab process along the way. For those of you who haven't done a deal yet, make sure you are taking some form of action every day. Again, I want to thank everyone for sticking around and I will do another update in a month or two.

Post: Where are YOU Wholesaling and HOW is it going, Check In Here!

Cornelius Charles
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  • Oxnard, CA
  • Posts 438
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My wife and i are new investors in Ventura County. We are not wholesalers, but i would like to get the the point where we have "too many" leads and are "forced" to wholesale some. We have been actively marketing since May of last year and just sold our first rehab two days ago.  We are going to take some of the profit to increase our marketing budget and hopefully we will be wholesaling properties consistently within a few years.  Currently, we are sending our approximately 1000 direct mail pieces a month to absentee owners and 3 inherited lists from USleadlist.   We have not gotten any "hot" leads in quite a while but are staying consistent and persistent.  

Post: Diary of a New (wannabe) Investor in Southern California

Cornelius Charles
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  • Oxnard, CA
  • Posts 438
  • Votes 187

@Kevin Peguero

Thank you for the kind words.

I do not have the data in front of me, but we bought lists from them 3 separate times (once a quarter) for a total of about 500 names (I think).  We only received about 5 phone calls and they were all either "take me off your list" or "we already sold the home."  We will not be buying any future lists (for the time being) but we will continue touching the lists that we already purchased.