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All Forum Posts by: Engelo Rumora

Engelo Rumora has started 180 posts and replied 4386 times.

Post: Looking to buy with a turnkey property

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Quote from @Pinny T.:

Looking to buy with a turnkey property potently with RentToRetirement  anyone with experience & advice?
what should be a reason to choose 1 market over the other how to identify a market to buy?

Thanks




A lot has been written on BP about R2R and everything looks solid.

I'm a big believer in sticking with 1 market until you build a large enough portfolio and diversification is justified.

Like with many investments and not just turnkey, it's important to build a large portfolio.

The time and associated risk isn't worth buying 1 or 2 properties if you expect a significant impact on your bottom line monthly cashflow.

Most turnkey properties are sold at fair market value or slightly above.

Nothing wrong with this as long as property management is solid and does their job with integrity.

Buying turnkey you won't have built in equity so no growth can be manufactured and you will have to wait for the market to grow to see an equity gain.

Thus, IMO it's important to have mindset where you endeavor to build a large enough portfolio so the monthly cashflow makes sense and the portfolio becomes safer.

Much success

Post: Buying First Property Remote / Long Distance

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Quote from @Drew Sygit:

@Matt Wujek please don't be naive and think everyone here is going to help you for free.

Many have ulterior motives to chat with you to pitch you on their services.

We're always looking for clients here on BP, but are pretty transparent about it. Others play hide & seek games with their intentions.

If you're interested in the Detroit market, DM us.



100% agreed with Drew.

Most will have an ulterior motive so stay very diligent.

Best advice I could give for investing long distance is to not do it lol

I moved from Australia to the US in pursuit of real estate.

I suggest the same for others that are looking to make real estate investing a "real thing".

Easier said than done just packing up and moving to a lame town just for real estate so I get it...

But certain sacrifices need to be made if one wants to achieve certain success.

Just my opinion.

"When the cat leaves, the mice will play".

Most folks that invest out of state are cat's that are never present.

So the realtors, contractors and property manager (The mice), are always playing and making a fortune doing so.

You really need to spend a lot of time in establishing the right relationships in order to make it work from afar.

Picking a market, visiting it regularly and immersing yourself in it non stop.

Having family can also help but I decided a long time ago to not mix business with family and friends as it can get heart breaking when things don't turn out well.

Wishing you much success

Post: Location Analysis Method

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Quote from @Michael P.:
Quote from @Alexander Blake Summers:
Quote from @Michael P.:

Do the zips in toled0 Ohio area. I can easily know how accurate your method is then. 

Sure thing, here are the zips ranked in the Toledo metro (Fulton, Lucas, Ottawa and Wood counties):
1. Put In Bay 2.Middle Bass 3.Bowling Green 4.Toledo (43620) 5.Lakeside Marblehead 6.Toledo (43606) 7.Neapolis 8.Toledo (43610) 9.Perrysburg 10.Holland 11.Harbor View 12.Port Clinton 13.Pemberville 14.Toledo (43615) 15.Millbury 16.West Millgrove 17.Archbold 18.Toledo (43604) 19.Toledo (43623) 20.Luckey 21. Maumee 22.Oak Harbor 23.Swanton 24.Delta 25.Toledo (43614) 26.Rossford 27.Custar 28.Oregon 29.Toledo (43607) 30.Toledo (43617) 31.Toledo (43609) 32.Waterville 33.Haskins 34.Grand Rapids 35.Whitehouse 36.Lyons 37.Berkey 38.Pettisville 39.Sylvania 40.Martin 41.Wauseon 42.Elmore 43.Monclova 44.Northwood 45.Fayette 46.Toledo (43611) 47.Curtice 48.Bradner 49.Portage 50.Walbridge 51.Williston 52.Toledo (43613) 53.Risingsun 54.Metamora 55.Rocky Ridge 56.Milton Center 57.Tontogany 58.Rudolph 59.North Baltimore 60.Wayne 61.Jerry City 62.Genoa 63.Cygnet 64.Bloomdale 65.Toledo (43612) 66.Weston 67.Toledo (43605) 68.Toledo (43608) 69.Clay Center 70.Graytown 71.Hoytville
Thanks for the opportunity! 


 I would NOT invest in Toledo using this ranking.



Agreed mate,

43606 is mostly rough and 43610 and 43620 is hit/miss.

Put In Bay has a total of 7 houses haha

Bowling Green quite expensive and only 1 target tenant and they are students...

Online stats/demographics are one thing, real life and on-ground experience is another.

As an investor you are limited if your decisions are based on solely online research.

Had an investor that bought 6 properties from us ages ago and was using some weird online algorithm and plugging every deal I sent him through RentFax (I easily send 30 or so deals for consideration).

I advised against this strategy but it is what it is.

Didn't work out for him unfortunately and he decided to sell.

Maybe I should get him to post a thread and throw us under the bus.

It's always our fault, right?

Thanks  

Post: Are interest rate cuts finally on the horizon? See the latest national housing stats!

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Quote from @Kristen Haynes:


Friday July 12, 2024 - by Scott Brixley


Real Estate News in Brief

Rate cuts are definitely coming. Fed Chairman Jerome Powell sounded a bit more dovish in his testimony to Congress, and then the CPI inflation report for June came in lower than expected. It is very nice to see 30-yr mortgage rates moving below 7%!

Inventory keeps rising. For the week ended June 29, the nationwide inventory of homes for sale was up 38% year-over-year, with new listings rising 11% YoY.

‘Jobs week’ delivered conflicting trends
First, the JOLTs survey (Job Openings and Labor Turnover) showed that job openings rose to 8.1 million in May. But the month-over-month increase was only the result of a large downward revision (-140,000 jobs) to the April job openings data. The hires and quits rate was basically unchanged. [Bureau of Labor Statistics]

Next came ADP’s employment report, where private (non-government) jobs growth slowed for the third straight month to +150,000 in June. That was slightly below expectations. 40% of the job gains came from the leisure & hospitality industry. [ADP]

Finally we got the big BLS jobs report. The Establishment Survey (businesses + gov’t) showed that the US added 206,000 jobs in June, slightly above expectations. But the job gains reported for May and April were revised down by a combined 111,000. That’s big. How big? The initial estimate for job gains in April was 175,000. The final number is 108,000. [BLS]

Additionally, the separate Household Survey (individuals) saw the unemployment rate (“UR”) rising to 4.1%. A year ago, the UR was at 3.6%. That may not seem like a big jump, but a 50 basis points (0.5%) increase in the UR has historically been a very reliable recession indicator. [BLS]

Home price growth slows, but stays robust. On CoreLogic’s numbers, home prices rose 0.6% month-over-month in May (was +1.1% MoM in April). The data giant is now predicting 3% price growth over the next 12 months. [CoreLogic]

Jerome Powell’s testimony to Congress. While the Fed Chairman remained balanced in his comments, he did sound a bit more dovish: “Reducing policy restraint too late or too little could unduly weaken economic activity and employment.” [Federal Reserve]

Great news on CPI. The “headline” CPI (Consumer Price Index = inflation) for June declined 0.1% month-over-month, and the “core” CPI (excluding food & fuel) rose only 0.1% MoM. Both were better (that is, lower) than expected, meaning that annual “headline” inflation dropped to 3.0% YoY and annual “core” inflation eased to 3.3% YoY. [Source: BLS]

Where Are We Now?

So many numbers are thrown around in the media that it’s not always easy to understand what’s happening in a historical context. Hopefully, this provides perspective.

Keep in mind

  • The Fed started hiking rates in March 2022, and only stopped tightening in July 2023, having lifted short-term interest rates by 525 basis points or 5.25%.
  • Average 30-yr mortgage rates started moving aggressively upward a bit earlier (in January 2022) and only peaked (at just over 8%) in October 2023.
  • “Core” PCE (the Fed’s favorite inflation gauge) peaked at 5.6% in February 2022, and had dropped to 2.6% by May 2024.

I: Inventory

The active inventory of homes for sale (excluding homes under contract) was up 37% year-over-year in June 2024 (yay!), but it was still down ~32% compared to pre-pandemic (boo!). So is the inventory situation good or bad? I’d say ‘improving from a low level.’

Recognizing the seasonality of inventory levels, let’s just look at June. Keep in mind that the huge inventory drawdown happened during the first year of the pandemic (March 2020-March 2021). At 840K units of active inventory, we’re basically back to June 2020 levels, but still 30% below June 2019 and June 2018 levels.

Active Inventory (Realtor.com)
June 2024: 840K
June 2023: 614K
June 2022: 574K
June 2021: 492K
June 2020: 871K
June 2019: 1.2 Million

June 2018: 1.2 Million

However, as I’ve written about in previous issues of Talking Points, most of the inventory recovery has come from a few states — chiefly Florida and Texas. How much? In June 2024, 30% of nationwide active inventory came from those two states! Florida’s active inventory in June 2024 was about 0.4% above its June 2019 levels. Texas’ active inventory in June 2024 was about 4.6% above its June 2019 levels.

That means, of course, that the inventory situation in much of the rest of the country is still quite tight. How tight? Look at the bar chart below. Active inventory in the Midwest region is still 49% below pre-pandemic levels, and active inventory in the Northeast is still 57% below pre-pandemic levels.

II: Home Prices
Since the end of 2019 (pre-pandemic), national home prices have risen 51% according to the Case-Shiller index. Between June 2022 and January 2023, they dropped 5%. But the index was back to setting new highs by June 2023. Since that January 2023 mini-trough, home prices have risen 9%.

It’s worth noting, however, that not all cities have fully recovered from the late 2022 home price correction. Two years later, San Francisco’s home price index is still 7.8% below its mid-2022 peak. The same goes for Seattle (-5.9%), Portland (-3.8%), Denver (-3.6%), Phoenix (-3.6%), Dallas (-1.9%) and Las Vegas (-1.1%).

S&P CoreLogic Case-Shiller National Home Price Index

S&P CoreLogic Case-Shiller San Francisco Home Price Index

And there are some cities where prices are falling today. Can you guess where? Mostly in the South (which includes Florida and Texas), where prices soared during the pandemic and inventory levels have already recovered to well above pre-pandemic levels.

III: Existing Home Sales
Most forecasters (including me) expected more of a rebound in existing home sales in 2024. In 2023, 4.1 million existing homes changed hands, a level not seen since 2008 (which was effectively the trough after the housing crisis). At the beginning of the year, the NAR forecasted 4.5 million existing home sales in 2024. That was recently lowered to 4.26 million, and even achieving that could be a struggle if mortgage rates don't move sharply lower.

The positive spin to all this is that every year we have existing home sales below 5 million units is just “compressing the spring” further. Eventually, we’re going to have a big snapback. That’s why I’d welcome lower home prices, not just lower mortgage rates. Affordability must be addressed before transaction volumes can normalize.

Average 30-yr mortgage rates (Mortgage News Daily)

MBS Highway Housing Survey for July 2024

The MBS Highway National Housing Index dropped 9 points in July 2024 to 44, as buyer activity levels fell across the nation. We’re well into summer, but 7% mortgage rates and still-rising home prices have put a winter chill on transaction volumes.

  • The national Buyer Activity sub-index dropped 8 points to 37 in July 2024, after having dropped 6 points to 45 in June 2024. In July 2023, the Buyer Activity sub-index was at 45.
  • Buyer Activity levels declined in six of the seven regions, with only the Northeast (56) managing to stay above the 50 breakeven point. The least active regions were the Southeast (28) and Southwest (26).
  • The national Price Direction sub-index fell 10 points to 50 — right at the breakeven point. This means that the percentage of respondents seeing price increases (29%) exactly matched those seeing price reductions. In July 2023, the national Price Direction sub-index was at 63.
  • All seven regions saw their Price Direction sub-indexes move lower, but five out of the seven remained at or above 50. The strongest home price momentum was in the Northeast (77) and Mid-Atlantic (68). The weakest was in the Southeast (39) and Southwest (34).
Mortgage Market

Average 30-year mortgage rates have ranged between 7.00–7.15% for the last few weeks. While the May PCE report (flat headline inflation, +0.1% “core” growth) was very positive for the bond markets and mortgage rates, ‘jobs week’ delivered mixed messages.

Current odds on Fed rate cuts at upcoming FOMC meetings below. Keep in mind that the US Presidential election is on November 5.

  • July 31: 9% (down from 10% two weeks ago)
  • Sept 18: 93% (up from 62% two weeks ago)
  • Nov 7: 97% (up from 75% two weeks ago)
  • Dec 18: 99% (was 93% two weeks ago)
They Said It

“Buyers are balking at 7% mortgage rates and record home prices (in many markets). The Fed holds the key that could unlock both buyers and sellers — rate cuts — but it remains focused on lagging and flawed measures of inflation and employment.” — Barry Habib, MBS Highway’s Founder and CEO.

“Persistently stronger home price gains this spring continue in markets where inventory is well below pre-pandemic levels, such as those in the Northeast. Also, markets that are relatively more affordable, such as those in the Midwest, have seen healthy price growth this spring. On the other hand, markets with notable inventory increases, including those in Florida and Texas, continue to see annual deceleration that is pulling prices below numbers recorded last year.” — Dr. Selma Hepp, CoreLogic’s Chief Economist



Hoping to see 2 quarter rates cuts this year and another 4 in 2025.

Trump will probably stimulate those rate cuts if elected also.

Post: Turnkey Single Family Residence Companies

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Quote from @Jake Benny:

Hello everyone, 

I am looking to buy my first turnkey property, likely somewhere in the midwest. Instead of looking on Zillow, Redfin, ect.... Are there any turnkey companies/platforms that anyone has found useful to buy a single family rental property?  

-Jake



Hey mate,

These guys are the best IMO and have all stood the test of time:

REI Nation
JWB 
Spartan Invest

There are others but don't know much about them.

I have stalked the above 3 for many moons 👍

Much success

Post: Norada Capital Management suspending payments

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Quote from @Jay Hinrichs:
Quote from @Jon P.:

@Jay Hinrichs you sound like quite an optimist, which is good in some cases.  I'm sure if you invested money with Norada you may feel differently.  I'm sure you wouldn't have if you were presented with this strange business plan.

I consider myself more of a realist.  If even a fraction of the things discussed on this thread are remotely accurate, then the outlook is not good for Norada or investors.

Based on how things have evolved with the conversion to equity in a seemingly failing business and no communication about how Norada is going to turn this around, it leaves little hope for me to see how any water is left in the glass...

I don't view this a syndication, at least in terms of what most of us are used to in regards to a syndication in a true real estate project that is backed by a physical asset.  This appears to be more of investing in pure speculation of an unproven business model.  It's unfortunate, but I do think there was a high degree of trust people instilled in Norada because they historically invested in real estate, and then went 180 degrees with this strange offering.  I do believe there to be a large degree misrepresentation and miscommunication from how these offerings were presented to people.  Sure, they can have everything on paper done correctly (which I don't think is the case), but the way this was marketed, pitched and sold to people also needs to be handled correctly as well.  We've already seen in the response from @Dewayne C. that the sales people pushed this hard ignoring facts about accreditation, pushing investing from retirement accounts and likely not disclosing necessary information or using high pressure sales tactics, which would also be inappropriate.  I'm curious how much the sales reps got paid for each investment made... 

@Dave Hagen brought up a very good point.  We know the people selling this investment to each investor was the same real estate sales team at Norada.  I don't think these people are licensed to sell real estate or securities, which is an issue by itself, but that could have misled people to believe that the same people selling real estate in the past are selling them on another opportunity involved in RE.  I do think that the cross over involvement could lead to some assets or funds being garnished from the other businesses for investors that lost money in norada capital management because of this.  Of course, time will tell as things play out with SEC investigations, etc.

There are a ton of people that are in a really bad position from this that are posting on BP seeking guidance.  It would be nice to see some actual concrete advice from industry experts on what options people may have if this investment was not handled appropriately (which seems to be the case) vs just shaming people saying "you're stupid for investing in this, live and learn." 


Jon, your a smart guy what concrete advise is there to give at this point? And I assume you mean concrete advice for folks to get their money back right ?

If U believe the venture has 100% failed and Norada should be put out of business. Then what advice is there to give people.  

At that point there really is only a few.. file complaints with regulators and see if that gets you any funds paid back and or hire a lawyer and make demands and or litigate and enter into some sort of settlement agreement or get a judgement and hope that U can collect on it.

OR dig a little into what the assets are whats left and can any new money be made with them.. the Mastermind business can be quite lucrative I know for a fact.  So maybe as that starts to pay out clients will start to get principal back..  Anyone thinking they should also get interest is just really fooling themselves at this point to get capital back would be the goal at least it would be for me.

Not sure on the partnership between Norada and Cordle and Eddie Wilson but Eddie is a stud business man and someone that I look up to just like Jay.

They run the masterminds nationwide and it seems pretty legit

Post: Toledo Scams ⚠️

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Quote from @Alan F.:

Since you were a tradie in your previous life, seems like a great opportunity for an ethical businessman  (like you) to build another company. Dude, youd kill it!

Hope you got your Stetson!


Who? Me?

I'm done with "businesses" mate lol

Looking to cut back even more on what I already have lol

I started enough businesses for 3 lifetimes hehe

Post: Norada Capital Management suspending payments

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Quote from @Michael P.:
Quote from @Engelo Rumora:
Quote from @Jay Hinrichs:
Quote from @Engelo Rumora:
Quote from @Dewayne C.:

Reading all these posts are making it more difficult. If anyone can suggest some help I would greatly appreciate it. If you just want to shame me, well I’ll doing enough of that myself. And once I share this with my family… not sure what will happen. Any help out there please keep me in mind. And in your prayers. 


Sorry to hear mate 🙏

No shame in loosing.

It's how you recover and pick yourself back up.

If you don't, then that's a shame

I have lost more than I can count and so have many others on this forum.

Losses are part of business and life in general.

Our time and energy comes at a price.

The biggest price is the emotional one.

I prefer learning from losses as much as possible and doing my best to not repeat the same mistakes.

Also, not dwelling on it for long and not living in the past to avoid further emotional drag and doubt about moving forward.

Personally, I also don't get involved in lawsuits or collections and consider every loss as my own fault.

Moving forward smarter and more experienced.

Moving forward and doing my best to make more than what I have lost.

I hope that helps and God Bless 


yup 08 to 2011 I lost 10 million in equity.. and had to start over in 2012.. I describe that on my pod cast with bp # 222

I become a ghost at $10m cash mate (Not equity or assets) lol

Won't pick up the phone anymore and laptop is going into the Mediterranean waters hehe 


 You mean Maumee River?



I'm considering dumping contractor's bodies that screw me there haha

Post: Norada Capital Management suspending payments

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Quote from @James Hamling:
Quote from @Michael P.:
Quote from @Engelo Rumora:
Quote from @Jay Hinrichs:
Quote from @Engelo Rumora:
Quote from @Dewayne C.:

Reading all these posts are making it more difficult. If anyone can suggest some help I would greatly appreciate it. If you just want to shame me, well I’ll doing enough of that myself. And once I share this with my family… not sure what will happen. Any help out there please keep me in mind. And in your prayers. 


Sorry to hear mate 🙏

No shame in loosing.

It's how you recover and pick yourself back up.

If you don't, then that's a shame

I have lost more than I can count and so have many others on this forum.

Losses are part of business and life in general.

Our time and energy comes at a price.

The biggest price is the emotional one.

I prefer learning from losses as much as possible and doing my best to not repeat the same mistakes.

Also, not dwelling on it for long and not living in the past to avoid further emotional drag and doubt about moving forward.

Personally, I also don't get involved in lawsuits or collections and consider every loss as my own fault.

Moving forward smarter and more experienced.

Moving forward and doing my best to make more than what I have lost.

I hope that helps and God Bless 


yup 08 to 2011 I lost 10 million in equity.. and had to start over in 2012.. I describe that on my pod cast with bp # 222

I become a ghost at $10m cash mate (Not equity or assets) lol

Won't pick up the phone anymore and laptop is going into the Mediterranean waters hehe 


 You mean Maumee River?


No no no, Engelo is an Aussie, he knows better, The Med is where ya go when have "F-U money" lol. 

Chillaxin in Crete, life in paradise, watch the springboks put a hurtin on the all blacks, a little brai, pop back a few black labels...... Oh yeah, that's the med-life. 


haha

Love it mate

Europe is my playground and I know it very well.

If anyone needs tips on where to go, stay, eat.

Italy especially.

Just ping me a message.

Lived in Milano, Como, Paris, Budapest and travelled all over.

My family is Croatian 

La dolce vita caro mio.

Un cafe per favore

Grazie mille 

Post: Norada Capital Management suspending payments

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Quote from @Jay Hinrichs:
Quote from @Engelo Rumora:
Quote from @Dewayne C.:

Reading all these posts are making it more difficult. If anyone can suggest some help I would greatly appreciate it. If you just want to shame me, well I’ll doing enough of that myself. And once I share this with my family… not sure what will happen. Any help out there please keep me in mind. And in your prayers. 


Sorry to hear mate 🙏

No shame in loosing.

It's how you recover and pick yourself back up.

If you don't, then that's a shame

I have lost more than I can count and so have many others on this forum.

Losses are part of business and life in general.

Our time and energy comes at a price.

The biggest price is the emotional one.

I prefer learning from losses as much as possible and doing my best to not repeat the same mistakes.

Also, not dwelling on it for long and not living in the past to avoid further emotional drag and doubt about moving forward.

Personally, I also don't get involved in lawsuits or collections and consider every loss as my own fault.

Moving forward smarter and more experienced.

Moving forward and doing my best to make more than what I have lost.

I hope that helps and God Bless 


yup 08 to 2011 I lost 10 million in equity.. and had to start over in 2012.. I describe that on my pod cast with bp # 222

I become a ghost at $10m cash mate (Not equity or assets) lol

Won't pick up the phone anymore and laptop is going into the Mediterranean waters hehe