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All Forum Posts by: Greg R.

Greg R. has started 25 posts and replied 881 times.

Post: Housing crash deniers ???

Greg R.Posted
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Quote from @Paul De Luca:

Agreed with @Bill B.

@Greg R. check out this link showing Kiyosaki's predictions from 2011-2021+ https://ofdollarsanddata.com/t...

He's been making the same prediction for over a decade and I can only shake my head. People like him, Patrick Bet David, Peter Schiff, and a host of other people in the space have been "predicting" a crash for many years. I say this as a Kiyosaki fan that has read several of his books. 

https://seekingalpha.com/artic...

"For seven years now Mr. Schiff has been proclaiming the American economy was on the verge of collapse, the dollar was going to have a massive decline, and that gold and other commodities were going to skyrocket. For most of those seven years he has been wrong. Gold has been down huge the last two years, the dollar has not lost value and the American economy is stronger, not weaker. Like others before him, Mr. Schiff keeps repeating the same talking points, in hopes that at some point he will be right."

I don't consider these guys experts. In my opinion they are the Logan Paul's or the Kardashian's of investing. They are social media junkies who love fame & attention. 

Post: First rental property not cash flowing

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Quote from @Justin Bailey:

@Michael Mackney who is calling for the maintenance? If it's the property management company they might be wrongfully repairing non existing things. A good property can be easily ruined by management. Not saying this is the case but it happens often unfortunately. Easily look into another property management company.


 Good point. I'm terrified of the prospect of having to turn management of my properties over to a management co. 

Post: Housing crash deniers ???

Greg R.Posted
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Quote from @Russell Brazil:

The Last 2 housing crashes were 75 years apart. They are incredibly rare occurrences. Each of which were largely driven by a lack of the availability of credit and debt. 

Not only do we not have a lack of availability and debt, we have 100% exactly the opposite problem. A rapid increase in the money supply in Spring of 2020 has created large inflationary preasure. This has happened before in the early 1970s. The same result that happened then, is happening now....high inflation. High inflationary environments typically take about a decade to work themselves out.

You are welcome to form your own opinions, but the only market crash we need to look at is 2008. The economy, geo-politics, property rights, regulations, taxation, investing, banking, the stock market, and currencies (to name a few), were completely different "back in the day". Credit scores weren't even a thing until 1990. These aren't the same times when grandpapi was paying $.05 per gallon of gas. Makes no sense to look at ancient days when trying to analyze a modern-day housing crisis. 

And yes, in 2008 we know lending was lose, there were appraisal problems, etc. But there are also similarities. In addition to those similarities, there is a new set of problems associated with the upcoming crash. 

With that, I believe that we're going to see housing market crashes on a fairly regular basis going forward. not every few years, but definitely not once every 75 years. 

Post: Housing crash deniers ???

Greg R.Posted
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Quote from @Nicholas L.:

@Greg R.

Serious question for you - what is your definition of "crash"?  Is it... the overall median US home price going down 10%, or 20%, or 50%?  Or... 20% or 50% declines in one or more large markets?  Or.... something else?

I certainly don't think a correction is impossible... nor do I think that prices will only increase... but, I'm personally a little confused about the whole market and honestly, not sure what to expect =-) prices are now SO MUCH HIGHER than they were even 5 years ago that a major "correction" would still leave them above that high watermark.

What do you think?


"A housing bubble, or real estate bubble, is a run-up in housing prices fueled by demand, speculation, and exuberant spending to the point of collapse. Housing bubbles usually start with an increase in demand, in the face of limited supply, which takes a relatively extended period to replenish and increase. Speculators pour money into the market, further driving up demand. At some point, demand decreases or stagnates at the same time supply increases, resulting in a sharp drop in prices—and the bubble bursts." 

I would say take the 10 years prior to the bubble and get the average rate of appreciation. Use the same rate of appreciation for 2021 & 2022, once you get to where values are at that point, that's the market correction. Crash is beyond that. 

Post: Raising Capital for STR or LTR

Greg R.Posted
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I'm assuming you're talking about raising 40k outside of RE investing? If so I'd say get a good job, maybe two, live very conservatively and save as much as possible.

Post: First rental property not cash flowing

Greg R.Posted
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Quote from @Jim Pellerin:
Quote from @Greg R.:

If you've owned for 5 months, you probably bought near the top of the bubble. If you are able to get out of the property and break even, or just a little bit behind, you should do that and count your blessings. 

A lot of folks are going to tell you that it's always a good time to buy, which isn't true. There are good times to buy and there are bad times to buy. You might have someone on the forums try to argue that they purchased a home run in 2008, but most people who bought at the top of the bubble lost everything. 

There are very strong signs that show an imminent decline (a crash) in the housing market. You'd be much better off buying in a crashing market than in a bubble. 

 @Greg R. Agree 100%. Look what I wrote earlier in the thread.


Thanks Jim. You lived through it and know from experience. A lot of other folks on this forum haven't. The last several years is all they know and they think it will be that way forever. 

Post: First rental property not cash flowing

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Quote from @Michael Mackney:

Hey everyone. I've had a duplex for the last 5 months in a C/C+ area. Original numbers and inspection report made it look like on paper that I would be cash flowing after raising rents to market rents but month after month so far, something maintenence wise comes up that leaves me in the red a few hundred a month after I calculate reserves, property management, etc. The market in the area has overall appreciated but I don't know if I can simply rely on appreciation to offset negative cash flow.

Should I sell with the appreciated price and use it as a learning experience before moving into an area that might have less maintenence issues or try and hold on to it?


If you've owned for 5 months, you probably bought near the top of the bubble. If you are able to get out of the property and break even, or just a little bit behind, you should do that and count your blessings. 

A lot of folks are going to tell you that it's always a good time to buy, which isn't true. There are good times to buy and there are bad times to buy. You might have someone on the forums try to argue that they purchased a home run in 2008, but most people who bought at the top of the bubble lost everything. 

There are very strong signs that show an imminent decline (a crash) in the housing market. You'd be much better off buying in a crashing market than in a bubble. 

Post: Housing crash deniers ???

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Quote from @Bill B.:

Thank goodness they bought a home then or they’d be homeless. Rents are up 20-30% while their payment stayed the same. Sure they could sell and walk away with a pretty healthy gain. But rent would eat that up within a year or two and then back to homeless. 

You cant count the number of people who didn’t buy for the last 2 years because they were promised a housing crash was coming. Now prices are 30% higher and interest rates have doubled. They’ll never be able to buy a home, even if prices did drop 20%. They’re pretty much screwed for life. 

The “experts” have been predicting a crash for at least 12 years. They want to make sure they get credit for predicting it this time. The news made hero’s out of those who saw it last time and everyone wants to be a hero. So they runaround yelling fire fire fire. Go ahead and search BP for housing crash coming. Your computer will probably crash with the number of results. 


Ahh, thanks Bill. I knew folks like you were still around... ones in the camp of "if you didn't buy during the bubble, you'll never be able to buy". Thanks for making your stance known. 

Also, which experts were predicting a crash in 2011-2019? I personally didn't hear a lot of talk about a crash in that timespan. The economy and the housing market was in a generally healthy place - very different from where we are now economically. 

Post: Housing crash deniers ???

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Quote from @Shiela R.:

Hi @Greg R. I'm new to BP but not new to REI. OF course, no one knows what the market is going to do exactly. But by studying economic trends and considering market cycles, I do believe certain markets are going to slow significantly. Some may even crash. I'm already seeing it in certain areas with price reductions and DOM increasing. However, I take issue with your question in that there is no national REI market forecast just as there is no national weather forecast.  I mean, here in CO it is not uncommon for it to be sunny and clear skies in the front yard but raining in the backyard;) Just as it's not uncommon for one property to sit on the market where another still is sold with a bidding war. 

We must be experts in the markets we are investing in.  I do believe there will be some reckoning with those not using the sound principles of investing - particularly buying right aka buying at a discount.  And that will be an opportunity for the rest of us.

Hi @Shiela R., of course there is no "national RE market", but there are certainly national trends. For instance, for the most part, a year ago RE markets nationally were on fire. Sure, some places more than others. Similarly, back in 2008 the crash was **almost** national. I'm sure there's someone here that can argue that a certain market/ pocket didn't crash, but I'm not here to argue those nuances. 

Post: Housing crash deniers ???

Greg R.Posted
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Quote from @Greg Scott:

The market may correct, but I firmly believe there won't be a crash.  The reason is simple, equity.

Recently, prices have been surging.  Given the laws passed after the Great Recession, appraisals and lending is highly restricted.  

There is no  house of cards here to come tumbling down.

Ok, so I don't deny the amount of regs re: lending, but let's be honest. Good lenders are able to manipulate DTI and bend the numbers to get people into loans that they can barley afford. Let's not pretend that all the people who purchased in this over-inflated market are super stable and can't foreclose. I personally know people who are living check to check and who bit off more than they could chew thinking that they had to buy during the recent housing craze. 

So I respectfully disagree... there is a house of cards that will come tumbling down.