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All Forum Posts by: Isiah Ferguson

Isiah Ferguson has started 64 posts and replied 313 times.

Post: Investing in Toledo, Ohio

Isiah FergusonPosted
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  • Charlotte, NC
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Yeah I've been considering the Ohio area for a while now as a out of state investor. I'm a CF guy and I love the sub30k they have too offer for the right price and neighborhoods 

Post: Investing in Toledo, Ohio

Isiah FergusonPosted
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  • Charlotte, NC
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HEY, WHATS THE AVERAGE RENT IN BOTH 43612 FOR A 3/2 OR 2/1 @Scott Angebrandt

Post: WHATS THAT 1 THING FOR YOU ???

Isiah FergusonPosted
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If you can go back in time and talk to your young self about REI. What's the 1 thing you will tell yourself and 1 thing you will change ?

Post: IS THERE POWER HERE AT ALL ?????

Isiah FergusonPosted
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Originally posted by @Rodney Miller:

Leveraging is a long term play. You can buy one 100k house for cash and get great cash flow or you can buy 10 100k houses with 10k down. With the latter you have 10 people getting up every day and going to work to pay off your million dollars of debt. Now skip down the road 10
Or 15 years. You can own those 10 properties fee and clear. Let's say that they have appreciated to 1.5 million in value. Now if you did the one house for cash 15 years down the road it's with 150k.

1.5 million vs 150k. I personally will forgo cash flow to get the big payoff down the road. That's the beauty of leverage.

If cash flow is the key too the goal. Does appreciation even mattter at this point ?

Post: IS THERE POWER HERE AT ALL ?????

Isiah FergusonPosted
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  • Charlotte, NC
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Originally posted by @John Casmon:

If you're looking at an all cash return of say 7% or better, you should look to use leverage. Less than that and I'm assuming you're doing an appreciation play and cash makes sense here. However, I should point out that mortgage interest is tax deductible on an investment property.
 

Let's say you have $100k to buy a property. You can either buy one property for $100k or use leverage and buy 4 properties with $25k down on each. Let's assume all properties have the same monthly rent and expenses - rent of $1000 and expenses of $300. Your net operating income (NOI) is $700.

1 Property - All Cash

Annual NOI - $8,400
Mortgage Payment - $0
Cash Flow - $8,400
Return - 8.4%


1 Property - 25% Down

Annual NOI - $8,400
Mortgage Payment - $4,824 ($402/mo @ 5% interest)
Cash Flow - $3,576
Return - 14.3%

1 Property - All Cash (if NOI drops)

Annual NOI - $6,000
Mortgage Payment - $0
Cash Flow - $6,000
Return - 6%


1 Property - 25% Down (if NOI drops)

Annual NOI - $6,000
Mortgage Payment - $4,824 ($402/mo @ 5% interest)
Cash Flow - $1,176
Return - 4.7%

Want to acquire multiple properties, but still be conservative? Only buy three properties and keep $25k in cash for added flexibility and comfort. 

3 Properties - 25% down
Annual NOI - $25,200
Mortgage Payment - $14,472 ($402/mo @ 5% interest)
Cash Flow - $10,728
Return - 14.3%


3 Properties - 25% down (if NOI drops)

Annual NOI - $18,000
Mortgage Payment - $14,472 ($402/mo @ 5% interest)
Cash Flow - $3,528
Return - 4.7%


The most conservative thing you can do for your money is use leverage and keep money in cash. Why tie up all of your money into one deal if you can spread it, along with the risk to a few? If you have a vacancy, major repair cost or anything else goes wrong it will kill your return if you only have one property. 

I agree to a certian extent. But somebody like myself that has a minimum wage job and has a pale of CASH sitting in a bank with no real loan security because of DTI. It's really hard to spread the cash around too multi properties and get good rates @ %5 and lower. The lenders' that are out there who distribute loans based on assets' have interest rates @ 8%-10% and majority of the time those rates would be too high to cash flow positivity. It's easy to say, find a partner who is in a good situation as far as DTI goes but when you are a newbie and have 0 track record of an portfolio. What do you do. Personally, i would love to see a track record of some sort before i invest with someone. I don't come from money nor my family or friends that would be a great helping hand.

Post: IS THERE POWER HERE AT ALL ?????

Isiah FergusonPosted
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  • Charlotte, NC
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So does ALL cash deals equal immediate massive cash flow ? Is leveraging about cash flow or scaling up your business ? Is it better to focus on 1 aspect or both leverage and all cash deals ? Personally, the clarity I'm starting to see is to do both all cash deals and leverage as much as I can. 

Post: IS THERE POWER HERE AT ALL ?????

Isiah FergusonPosted
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  • Charlotte, NC
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Originally posted by @Nicholas Cook:

Hi Isiah, depends if you are talking about cash for making offers or parking cash long terms.

Cash for making overs is great if you can and will give you a lot of leverage

Cash for long term generally does not make sense unless you want to be very conservative.

 I'm talking about cash for cash flowing asset and also can be a place to park cash becaus eyou can always sell at anytime. 

Post: IS THERE POWER HERE AT ALL ?????

Isiah FergusonPosted
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  • Charlotte, NC
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Originally posted by @Katherine S.:

@Isiah Ferguson 

Isiah, I'm struggling with this same issue.  We are currently building our rental portfolio, trying to stay relatively conservative on the leverage to stay safe, but enough that we can spread our funds around and can buy more properties.  However, the purpose for our portfolio is to have sufficient passive income in retirement to make sure that my future medical expenses will be covered.  So I can achieve a final income number by holding a large number of leveraged, modestly cash flowing properties, or a far fewer number of free and clear maximally cash flowing properties. 

It's a challenge to figure out what is the best strategy for us.  Should I snowball the smallest mortgages or should I refinance them and take out equity to buy more?  I understand the issue of putting your money to work, but at some point, holding an asset free and clear might be the best and highest use of that money for me!  

 Thanks for the feedback. It's MOST definitley have been a challenge for me as well as far as picking a side. I'm somewhat torn between the 2, leverage and all cash. For some reason I think a fewer number of properties free and clear maximally cash flowing properties looks like the better choice. Free and clear is the ultimate goal in some regards anyways, correct ?   

Post: IS THERE POWER HERE AT ALL ?????

Isiah FergusonPosted
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  • Charlotte, NC
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@Ryan Murdock @Anthony Gayden Thanks for the feedback. It's just more appealing to me to have a cash flow of 1'000$ after expenses in a free and clear property of 100k than have 250$ cash flow from being leveraged. But i see both sides of the coin. Leveraging can help you scale up quicker in units. I think best would be a good mixture of both leverage properties and cash. 

Post: 30% ROI Turnkey! Seller Financing Offered! Only $13K down! $300/m

Isiah FergusonPosted
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  • Charlotte, NC
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[email protected] detials please ?