All Forum Posts by: Jason Hartman

Hi @Ali Boone - nice to meet you. I’m sure we’ll cross paths soon.

Hi @Jay Hinrichs - We haven't done any business with them. 

Thanks @Dylan Barry - Garrett has been on several times and I like his advice. I'll see him at Meet the Masters on Friday and mention this. I thought his prices were pretty reasonable too.  

Hi @Josh Stack - We are working toward a software system that would aggregate that data IF the clients input their data, and if it's accurate, and that's a tall order/long-term goal. This is why I interview our investor clients on the show because people can hear from them first-hand.  

Awesome @Josh Stack - love that! 

Let's just remember that Google is the overlord of all overlords - yikes. 

Tax Lien Investment Company, PIP West, Responds to Criticism

January 30, 2014 // By: Gord Brody // Op-Ed // Comments are off

Our source for the complaint against a tax lien investing firm, PIP Group, has documentation, in their possession, which alleges fraud. This is a serious assertion to be sure, by the source is very confident in their position.

One person who gladly says she refers a lot of business to PIP Group goes by the monicker, “The Tax Lien Lady.” Her real name is Joanne Musa and her website asks, smattered with bold type,

Tax lien investing is commonly portrayed as “can’t miss,” which raises red flags in the eyes of discerning investors. When Musa was asked for comment about our previous piece on this subject, Are Tax Lien Investments the Latest Real Estate Ripoff?, she had this to say in an e-mail:

Almost immediately, we received another email, this time from Charles Sells, one of the principles of PIP Group, with an obviously angry tone:

Sells also threatened to turn this matter over to their attorney “for review.” Sells and Don Fullman are principles of PIP Group, which sometimes goes by “PIP West” and “Platinum Investment Properties Group.” We reached out to Charles for elaboration on the email sent to this writer and have not seen a response. For Sells first instinct to be that he needs to get an attorney involved and then to not respond to the request for further comment, lends itself to PIP Group having a larger problem at hand and some dirty laundry they do not want to see the light of day.

As Sells mentioned in his email, there certainly are scams in any industry and his is no different. In fact, stories about scams in tax lien investing are becoming more and more common as some of them have had time to run their course and be reported. One such scam just netted a Federal Indictment for 6 investors in New Jersey. From a November 2013 News Release by the US Department of Justice

With unclear laws from state to state, a somewhat secretive profit strategy that some claim is immune to the risks of investing that, say, the stock market is subject to, the buyer should definitely beware of this type of investment. If one could make a comparison, it’s somewhat similar to options trading, which is a very advanced form of investing in contracts that bet on the price of a common stock. If the contracts turn out to be unprofitable, they are then rendered valueless and the investor is out all of the money they put in, with nothing in return but worthless paper.

Buyer beware indeed.

BP keeps removing my informational posts as I continue to try to provide information to investors. Here's another article about PIP's alleged wrongdoing from Veritas News:

Are Tax Lien Investments the Latest Real Estate Ripoff?

November 23, 2013

This seems like a guaranteed windfall profit for investors, but this is deceptive. Many unscrupulous companies that actually buy and resell these tax liens to the end investor do not even understand the process and make wildly untrue promises to their customers. Tax and foreclosure laws vary greatly from state to state and have quite obviously changed drastically since the most recent foreclosure crisis. Yet these tax lien investment companies, such as PIP Group, headed up by Don Fullman and Charles Sells continue to sell their customers on tax lien investments across state lines.

One frustrated customer of PIP Group who invested heavily in tax liens that were not eligible to use as foreclosure collateral said they contacted PIP numerous times and have had absolutely no luck getting any restitution or even an explanation for why these investments have all failed to produce any profit.

It’s likely that many of these bunk investments go unreported due to the nature of the investor and the complicated process which strings them out and leaves them in the dark, without a resolution.

PIP Group is just one of the many tax lien companies with customer complaints and those numbers appear to be growing every day. (Gord Brody – VNN)

Hi @Josh Stack - Good post!  Just to clarify, there's no debate about us (that I'm aware of - just searched but didn't see anything) just a troll running a tax lien / tax deed investment company we're suing because we believe he owes us over $350,000.  I interviewed a few of his/their clients who felt ripped off and they told their stories of dissatisfaction / money loss.  Consumer advocacy is very important to us and that is why we do our best to expose apparent scams and interview people so the other investors can hear their first-hand accounts and protect themselves against bad actors. 

I've also interviewed lots of our clients who have shared their first-hand accounts with lots of data points on their portfolios so you, and other investors, can hear it right from the source.  One of the challenges of real estate investing is fragmentation and inconsistent data standardization, this is why we use one consistent format and software so people can evaluate things without having to be a detective on each deal.  I hope this helps and happy investing! 

@Charles Sells - You are a TROLL who started attacking me yesterday for no reason and need to get a life. Please get to work so you can pay me the $300,000+ you owe and pay restitution to your many other victims profiled on my podcast and elsewhere. The litigation is moving forward and even your own lawyer wants you to stop the trolling posts because you are ruining yourself.     

Your post is absurd, as usual. I have an email from your former employee, @Charles Sells, saying:

"These two (Charles Sells and Don Fullman) run a multi-million dollar ponzi, and they point the finger at us to make it look like we're the bad guys."  

That's a simple fact - I pasted it directly from the email. As for all of your other absurdities, you're just hurting your own credibility with more lies.