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All Forum Posts by: JD Gunter

JD Gunter has started 4 posts and replied 133 times.

Post: New to Colorado Springs

JD GunterPosted
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  • Ocala, FL
  • Posts 144
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Welcome to Colorado Springs! My emphasis is on the commercial side, but I'm happy to connect. We have a great local investing community. 

Post: Most buyers don't REALLY want value-add investments

JD GunterPosted
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  • Ocala, FL
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Originally posted by @Grant Rothenburger:

@JD Gunter I agree with @Todd Dexheimer, there are a lot of investors that know exactly what it is, but you are right about new investors. I guess that makes sense if they're new to commercial investing, but I would think they'd be up to speed if they had been around real estate for a while.

 I think when some investors think "value-add" they automatically think "rehab." But as you guys know, value can come from a wide variety of sources. A property with poor bookkeeping, poorly used space, or poor marketing can result in an opportunity to bring value and improve cashflow. 

The cashflow numbers on a value-add property will probably look pretty weak on day one. I guess the point I'm making is that investors new to the space should look for a wider range of value opportunities and dig deeper below the surface. 

Post: Most buyers don't REALLY want value-add investments

JD GunterPosted
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  • Ocala, FL
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Originally posted by @Todd Dexheimer:

You intermix most investors with new investors. I would say your assessment on most new investors not understanding value add is correct, but I wouldn't classify them as investors. In my experience, there is a very large portion of the investor pool that wants value add and understands what they are and how to evaluate them. 

That's fair. Maybe it's just been a fluke run, but it seems like I've spoken to quite a few this year. They are new to the commercial space, but not necessarily new to investing. 

Post: Most buyers don't REALLY want value-add investments

JD GunterPosted
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  • Ocala, FL
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Originally posted by @Bryan Mitchell:

JD, that’s an interesting observation about new investors who may talk about the benefits of a value add, but mostly walk away from them. I have done one value add in 2012 and another in 2018. Currently, I’m working on only my third value add. This one is a little scary since I’m doing somethings I’ve never done before. So I can understand a new investors disinclination. Yes, you can do your due diligence and mitigate much of the risk, but until you’ve done a few, it’s difficult to overcome the fears. And this fear can be good. It forces you to be more cautious and work through the what ifs. You just need to be able to accept that you can’t know everything and will have to ask some risk.

Bryan - I would say if it's a little scary, you're doing something right. Value-add scenarios are value-add for a reason. I agree that we go into them with eyes wide open and bring in whatever help we need in order to mitigate the risk. 

If you're a value-add investor, expect to have to clean up a mess. 

Post: Most buyers don't REALLY want value-add investments

JD GunterPosted
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  • Ocala, FL
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Originally posted by @Jeff Morelock:

Interesting. Thanks for posting.

 I'm glad! Thanks for commenting

Post: Most buyers don't REALLY want value-add investments

JD GunterPosted
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  • Ocala, FL
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When investing in real estate, commercial real estate investors tell me they want to look for a “value-add” investment. A value-add investment is when the property is underperforming in some way and the investor can improve the property in order to improve the value.

In practice, many newer investors don’t really want a value-add investment, or don’t recognize one when they see it. If a commercial property is underperforming, in need of repairs, showing negative cashflow, or has poor bookkeeping records, most self-proclaimed value-add investors will immediately walk away with nothing more than a glance.

Obviously this isn't every value-add investor, I've just seen a trend, especially with newer investors, saying they want value-add and actually expecting turnkey.

From my perspective, a property having obstacles should be expected with a value-add investment. If at least some of these negative circumstances are not present, the property is not a value-add investment.

A value-add investor doesn’t evaluate a commercial real estate investment on where it is, but where it could be.

Negative cashflow, for example, is likely the result of some other underlying issues. Perhaps the owner-occupant is undercharging rents to themselves and the other tenants. Perhaps the property is in bad condition and can't bring in market rents. But simply glancing at the rent rolls, determining that the cashflow is poor and walking away is not value-add investing. 

An experienced value-add commercial real estate investor looks at that situation and sees opportunity, where others only see headaches. An experienced investor will dig into the numbers with a treasure hunter mentality, rather than expecting treasure to be lying around on the beach.

Buying a property that needs little or no repairs, has positive cashflow, organized books, and an excellent marketing presentation is not a value-add investment, it’s a turnkey investment.

There is nothing wrong with turnkey investing, but you can save yourself a lot of frustration by acknowledging that you expect turnkey bookkeeping, condition, location, and cashflow rather than a value-add situation.

To be clear, simply being a value-add property doesn't make it a good investment. Negative cashflow, poor condition, etc, is certainly a problem that needs to be investigated. Sometimes the investigation is worthwhile, sometimes not. You may see how terrible the situation is and decide it's not worth digging.

But if you really want a value-add investment and the property meets at least some of your initial criteria, determining that a property has problems is not the time to walk away, it's the time for true value-add investors to dig in and see if there is opportunity others may have missed. 

You usually won't strike gold when you dig, but you will never strike gold if you never dig below the surface.

Great summary. Thanks for sharing. 

Post: Land buying opportunity

JD GunterPosted
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I have three land listings right now in the Colorado Springs market. We should discuss the best way to take care of your friend/client so she can get a fair value for her property. 

Let me caution you that you don't want to buy something from a client wholesale, then turn around and market it and profit from the difference. You also don't want to advise her to sell it off market for less than market value. As a licensed broker, you are in very risky territory and the local MLS is specifically targeting people doing that.

The Department of Regulatory Agencies (DORA) has been fining people and taking their license for similar matters. Even unlicensed individuals have been getting in trouble. Here is one example of a regulator's warning, recently put out by DORA: https://content.govdelivery.com/accounts/CODORA/bulletins/223571b

Post: Pueblo, CO...the next Colorado Springs?

JD GunterPosted
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  • Ocala, FL
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@Jerry Burns brings up a good point that Pueblo West and Pueblo proper are generally viewed by locals as being two different places, with Pueblo West being the more desirable of the two, broadly speaking. 

I was at a seminar recently and they made the point that Pueblo has seen the same percentage dramatic price appreciation that Denver and Colorado Springs have seen, Pueblo just started out lower. 

Pueblo is booming and has been for some time. The prices are lower, which makes it seem like it hasn't been as crazy. 

Post: Should I Partner with an investor or wholesaler

JD GunterPosted
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  • Ocala, FL
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I'm still not sure why you would partner. Find a good contractor and pay a fair rate. Equity in your deal is too valuable to hand over for labor.