All Forum Posts by: Jerryll Noorden

Please, guys before you say something, put some thought into it because you come across as "knowledgeable," and people will fall for it while you're steering them the wrong way.

Please stop telling people it's about patience and persistence. It is not. Patience and persistence only come into play when what you are doing is correct. In this case, it is not.

It's about intelligence and data, not "patience and Persistence".

If you need to "follow up" on people, it means you are not reaching motivated sellers. Instead of focusing on "persistence," don't you think you need to focus on targeting the right people?

Naming ONE case of what you're saying is true doesn't prove it's correct. It just proves it's possible.

Let me give you an example.

You spend $5K to send out 3,000 mailers, and you barely make a deal. Worse, you make no deal.

What advice do you give them? "If you didn't get a deal, send MORE mailers," right?

Persistence and patience.

Let's dissect this for a second.

Lists work SO poorly that, in order to get a deal, you need to send THOUSANDS of mailers to COMPENSATE for the poor performance to get results.

So you do, and you get a result. Then you conclude, "See, I was right; if it doesn't work, send more."

Now, data doesn't agree.

Let me translate data into English for you.

Because the strategy does not work, you have to spend MORE money on the strategy that doesn't work to get a single result... so you conclude it works?

The metric to measure whether it works or not is the CONVERSION RATE, not whether or not a deal was made.

If your conversion rate is 0.03% (like it usually is for DMM), spending more money to get more mailers out does NOT change the effectiveness of that strategy. It is and forever will be 0.03%.

That 0.03% is strategy based. Want to change it? Change strategy!

So, you are not improving the effectiveness of the system. It is a mere illusion.

Stop telling people to be persistent and patient when you are not inherently improving any metrics that affect the strategy's performance.

Lastly, follow up countless times, and show genuine interest, answer me this. Who is the motivated person here? You or the seller?

You are! Now the tables have tuned. Now THEY have the upper hand and YOU are the motivated one, and thus they expect you to offer more for their house (because you are relentlessly and "genuinely" showing genuine interest right?

All this is wrong. I am not trying to argue or convince you of anything. I simply am providing you with actual data and common sense so you can learn and start guiding others on the right path. But this is not it!

You have to understand lead generation. Then you have to understand MOTIVATED seller leads generation.

Once you do, you will soon realize that it is not possible to target motivated sellers.

Anything based on a list is not even random, it is worse than random.

Fact 1:

I rank #1 on Google for my market and thus I get a ton of organic actually and truly motivated seller leads.

I rarely get foreclosures, absentee owners, probates, tax liens, divorces etc. RARELY.

Fact 2:

If you need to send 3000+ mailers to people on this lists to get one deal, it means 2999 people of the 3000 you spend money on to chase, are not interested, not motivated, and thus the wrong audience.

That is a 99.97% failure rate.  No matter how you spin it, you are chasing the wrong audience.

Add fact 1 + Fact 2 together and you will see that drawing a conclusion is quite simple right?

You can't target motivated sellers. Not possible.

The only way to reliably get in touch with motivated sellers is for you to make it easy for them to find you.

Get a solid website, work on the 3 pillars of conversions:

1. Competence

2. Personality

3. Credibility

Once you do this right, you WILL be #1 and you will generate 100% organic high-quality quality free motivated seller leads!

Good luck!

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 Let me know what time? I will try to be there.

Dorcas!! Good to meet you.

Welcome to the Grumpy Family.

Make sure you join the community. We are very very involved with our users making sure your sites look good, where your competence, personality, and credibility (the 3 pillars to conversions) are applied correctly.

Thank you for joining GrumpyHare.  You have no idea how proud we are to have built it. It truly has no equal. 

Now we make sure you crush it! 

And Anthony is such a good dude. He organizes bi-weekly GrumpyHare and SEO sessions with our students, just because he wants to help. 

Fineprint. I don't like these guys too much because they stole a lot of my content, my work my designs and sold it to others passing them out as "theirs".
However, promise I will keep personal feelings out of it and only show data and facts.

 Well, they claim that their leads are better because the leads find them:

The only way sellers find you is when you rank #1 or #2 in that market. the lower you rank, the less leads find you. Do a Google search for any market, and these guys rarely rank in the top 3 spots. 

As one of the nation's leading SEO experts, I can tell you that their SEO is based on black hat and grey hat SEO  and it is mostly based on low-quality backlinks. Volume without quality, not surprising they are not at the top for most searches. I doubt their claim is real.

To give you an indication of things:

For the keyword: 

We Buy Houses In Agusta Ga here are the Google results:

They rank #7. One of our students ranks #1.

This is their stats:

The guy ranking #1, is one of our students and I have access to his stats and leads:

They have 33,000 backlinks while the guy ranking #1 only has 20 brutally outperforming them both in ranking and I can assure you, I DOUBT they get (many if any) SEO leads in that market.

Carrot was promoting them because they make money off of each other completely fooling many people that blindly trust Carrot. 

Now let's look at another market.

#1 is again one of our students and I have access to their leads.

Property leads guy's website is not even on the first page.  So they definitely are not getting organic leads there.

and again: 

Miles 149 backlinks ranking at #1, while they have 33,000 backlinks. They were piggybacking off of Carrots "credibility" and that is all it is.

Here are Myle's leads:

Not impressed. You shouldn't be calling yourself an SEO expert with 33000 questionable backlinks honestly.

Now lets look at this:

You have to BID for a lead. Let's take Mile's leads:

Do you know how much money is sitting there in his inbox if he were to pay $125 STARTING BID for these leads? 

For less than the cost of ONE lead, you can get a high-converting website going and get your own leads. Pay per lead is literally the dumbest thing on the planet to me. 

Then, they say they offer refunds... in the form of a credit. I had to chuckle here. Clever. Very sneaky yes, but clever

A refund means  "your money back", as in you can take that money and go elsewhere and spend it. Credit is not a refund. Credit is credit.

Let me repeat this.  Services like these take advantage of people that are not knowledgeable on lead gen. For the cost of ONE lead, you can get a good website going and score UNLIMITED leads for free (or at least for the price of hosting).

Guys be smart! Use the money to invest in your business, so you can set yourself up for success. If you pay these guys and companies like that money, when you stop paying you have NOTHING  to show for it. You are still at ground 0. Get a website, and use that money to build up your site. No one can take that away from you.

And the true organic leads are WAY better than the leads companies like those provide.

My verdict. You do not need reviews. good or bad reviews is completely irrelevant. It is just a dumb move to invest in Pay Per Leads! Period!

Great point. Allow me to explain something to you.

What people call "chest pumping" simply is proving others that are wrong with concrete data showing them they are wrong and why, so they can learn and grow from it. Instead of seeing this as an opportunity, people like you get offended, and their egos are hurt, so to defend it they will instead of accepting actual data, try to manufacture and manipulate the narrative to construct a realm where they could still be right regardless of where or not it is right. For these people it is not about facts, it is about what others think of them. 

And when they do try to make stuff up to try to come across as right, what they don't account for is  I don't stand for that weakminded crap and I show more data and proof  that they are in fact wrong.

To insecure people, this is "chest pumping". To scientists and engineers, it is called: "WTF is wrong with you, the data is right in front of you".

Allow me to demonstrate what YOU  stand for. Ready?

You steered away from a product that obviously works (look at all the students here defending the product) and makes you a ton of money because you didn't like how the creator of the program "seems" to act in a forum. So you sacrificed your own success because of something completely unrelated to the tool that would make you more successful and faster. That I find moronic. 

Myles, in San Bernardino, didn't see my actions as "chest pumping", he saw logic and common sense, and he joined.

Now, while you are gossiping and spreading negative opinions on a thread that has nothing at all to do with you, as you are not in my program and the OP asked for opinions of said program, of which you have none, as you are not in the program Myles is making big money.

Miles is now a millionaire less than 6 months into the program.

The product is not for everyone. It is for the smart intelligent hard-working folks that understand success is in their hands, and with the right tools it can be expedited significantly. If you didn't pick a tool that quite obviously works because of a factor completely unrelated to the effectiveness of the product, my course can't help you, .. I don't think anything or anyone can.

Now, am I pumping my chest again? Or am I just slapping you with pure facts, common sense, and logic?

(that was a rhetoric question btw).

The fact of the matter is, that nothing works better than what I have created. Name one product that completely eliminates lead generation costs, and efforts, where the leads chase you instead of you chasing them?

Name ONE product that can do that successfully and reliably.

Crickets!

Again, the program is not a magic pill, and it is a lot of work. Not everyone does it right and completes it.  You get out, what you put in.

But as you can see from the people here, they did the work.   Good luck to you man.

 Dude I really appreciate you man. And you know I will always here on your side making sure you keep crushing it!

 When I say, you can do it on your own for free and I offer the info for free, It IS offered for free. I mean it. yet you see people B*@tching and complaining about it.  People don't want to do the work. They want success and don't want to do any work.  I just have no time for that crap!

The info is free. With the info you can do it on your own/. Want extra help? Want my guidance? THAT costs money!

I would say they are AWESOME and that the creator of GrumpyHare is smart, handsome good-looking and I could go on and on, but I don't think my opinion would count. But I can tag some of our users here perhaps and they could give you an answer.

@Anthony Bostic what do you think? Are we decent?

@Miles Jiles, well he is doing pretty good too. But I'll let him tell that story.

I will post this in my community too and you can have your pick of subscribers to ask

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