All Forum Posts by: Jerryll Noorden

1. Wait... what? Remove the "if" from "IF what you are saying is true". Do you not see this is true? What are you not seeing/understanding? Of course, it is true. See what I do not understand is imagine showing someone that birds can fly, by pointing at one in mid-air flying away, and then asking the person "OK IF what you are saying is true and birds can fly, how do they fly"?  What do you mean IF they can fly? ! I am not giving you a theory. I am literally showing what you all are FACTUALY doing at THIS VERY MOMENT!! Are you not all buying lists? Are you not sending mailers calls and texts to a very very specific list? I didn't make anything up. I  simply verbalized what everyone was doing.

This is the reason so many of you continue to fail.  Remove emotion. Look at the data.

If you still need to be convinced that this is true,  a full-out explanation of how to find them seems pointless to me. I am not being mean or a prick. 

2.

How do you find them?

You can't. How does Best Buy find you, when you need a brand new 300' Nulear TV? They don't.

You find BestBuy when you are suddenly in the mood to buy a TV right? BestBuy can't POSSIBLY know you are motivated to buy a new TV. 

Now imagine Best Buy could magically know that your TV just broke. (they can't but imagine they could). Does that mean you will buy a new TV? NO! The fact that you no longer have a TV doesn't make you motivated to buy a new one. Maybe you NEVER watch TV. How many of you have a TV but all you do is watch on your phone, or on your computer?

My point is 2-fold.

Even if Best Buy could know your TV broke (equivalent to a foreclosure list, absentee owners list etc. etc.) that doesn't mean you will buy a new TV. Not because you are in foreclosure does it mean you are going to accept an offer below market value, or even GOING to sell your house period. Remember those people would rather burn down the house than sell it at MARKET value.

Then lastly, nothing can target motivated sellers. Nothing can. You can't find them. You can't target them.  They find you!

When was the last time you planted your butt next to the mailbox when you got bitten by a rattlesnake, hoping someone would send you a DMM. call or a text with the recipe for an antidote?

The more motivated someone is, the more pressing their desire to find a solution to their problem themselves. They won't wait for a mailer.

GOOGLE!

They find you. The sooner you all realize this, the sooner you will actually have a CHANCE to become reliably successful!

 All of what you said is wrong. I don't have the time to explain it in detail but here is a gist. What I have listed is data.  Mathematics. ALl you have listed is manipulated info to steer an agenda.

Let me give you a quick example:

Sales Performance Improvement: According to the Sales Benchmark Index, sales reps who concentrate on mastering a single lead generation tactic CAN see a significant performance increase. Their study found that focusing on a single tactic can lead to a 21% increase in sales productivity​ (Zendesk)​.

Notice words they use like "CAN". This is what I mean by "agenda and data manipulation". For more on why this is wrong, read on.

ROI from Consistency: MarketingSherpa's Email Marketing Benchmark Report highlights that consistency in lead generation efforts yields higher returns. Consistent application of a single lead generation method, such as email marketing, can lead to more predictable and higher ROI​ (Zendesk)​.

Why don't you go try to catch fish by swimming after it and try to hit it over the head with a flat paddle underwater?

Or,

You could throw dynamite in the water.  What you are saying is this. "It doesn't matter what you pick, pick one and stay consistent and you are fine". Get it?

No right? Consistency only works when the system is proven to work. Consistency alone is not the formula to success. Consistency + A proven strategy is. 

Inbound Marketing Success: HubSpot reports that inbound marketing, when executed consistently, generates 54% more leads than traditional outbound methods. This shows the power of committing to one effective strategy and refining it over time​ (Zendesk)​.

The ONLY point that is correct, is what I have said.   You do know that everything I mentioned in my previous post is INBOUND MARKETING! 

Referral and Repeat Business: The National Association of Realtors found that referrals and repeat business can lead to a 40% higher transaction volume. This suggests that focusing on building a strong referral network as a primary lead generation method can be highly effective​ (Zendesk)​.

1. In the world of science and engineering, (quest for truth) words like "very, "more", "better".. mean nothing. Where are the numbers? Better than WHAT, More than WHAT?  Everything you have mentioned says absolutely nothing. Then we are not realtors, and we don't do repeat business. This point is completely moot.
   

Real Estate Direct Mail: Direct mail has been shown to be effective in certain markets. For instance, real estate investors in New York City have seen up to a 15% year-over-year growth using direct mail campaigns, highlighting the potential success of committing to this method​ (GTMnow)​.

Mindless babble feeding an agenda. Why would you blindly believe anything when there is no data shown?  Effective they say. You need to send 3000 mailers to get a deal. That is a 0.03% success rate. Tell me, Are my numbers made up? Nope. Are they wrong? Nope? Do you call a 0.03% success rate.. hmm.."effective"? If your answer is "yes".. there you go. That is why you are not doing 8-figures like we are doing.

Psychological Principles: Dr. Robert Cialdini's principle of consistency explains that people who commit to a single course of action are more likely to follow through with it. This psychological principle supports the idea that focusing on one lead generation strategy CAN lead to more consistent and reliable results over time​ (GTMnow)​.

So what is said here is this. If you do DMM one time is one thing, but if you stay consistent you CAN improve the results.

So 2 things.

1. they are comparing one strategy against itself doing it once vs staying consistent. That is not the same as saying doing any strategy consistently works. Again. what they are saying is, doing DMM only once MAY not be as good as doing that strategy DMM consistently. That is not what the discussion is here.

2. Again with the "CAN". Means nothing

Now, consider this.

What you are doing is arguing with a Martian that aliens don't exist.

How much success are you having with these methods? How much success is 95% of bigger pockets having with these strategies? Stop quoting me absolute jargon from the internet. Answer me this ONE single relevant question. If what you advise is correct and pretty much everyone is doing this why are so many people not successful? That is the ONLY thing you need to focus on. Anything else is beating around the bush!

I am not here however to convince you to change your ways. Nor do I need to prove to you that I am correct. I truly don't care who "wins" this debate. I did you a favor pointing the errors in your way, and it is you to be smart enough to realize these errors. 

If you don't, hey, truly go do your thing. Sorry I couldn't help you. I opened the door for you. You need to walk through it.

Good luck!

 Sure do your thing.

Remember, it is not about it being free. It is about does it work.

You do not choose a marketing budget or strategy based on whether or not you can afford it. You pick it based on it's effectiveness to make money!

You'd have a better chance by getting a job at McDonald's, saving $2K, and then using that to do some actual marketing. 

But indeed. Do your thing and see if you can get lucky. You just need one deal to get capital

No no no,

Lists can't target motivated sellers. It is impossible.

Motivation is not a logical thing. You can't have a checklist of requirements, and if checked off it would mean they are motivated like:

Tall grass

Boarded up windows

Are in foreclosure

"ohh all 3 are checked, it means they are motivated". Motivation has nothing to do with circumstance. Motivation is an emotional state. 2 people subjected to the same environment will inherently act differently and thus proves it is not possible to target motivation.

A motivated seller is not someone in foreclosure or is an absentee owner or is in tax trouble.

A motivated seller is anyone willing to sell their house below market value no matter the reason.

Everyone, please stop telling others to stay consistent.Let me tell you something, coming from a (NASA) scientist and engineer.

When something does NOT work, you don't "do more" you don't stay consistent. That is TERRIBLE advise!

Look:

The reason you need to do more to make it "work" is because:

The success rate of that strategy is SO DARN LOW that you need to send THOUSANDS of mailers, calls, or texts to COMPENSATE for the low performance of that strategy.

So in other words...

Because it does NOT work, you need to do a LOT of it, to compensate for the fact that it  does NOT work, to get a deal... so you conclude.. "see it works". So it works, because it doesn't work. !?!?!

Listen everyone.

Forget list. Lists can't target motivated sellers.

What is a list? A list is a filtering system

Are you motivated? Get on my list. Not motivated get off my list. Right?

You do not need to know who is and who isn't motivated. All you need to know is where they will BE WHEN they BECOME motivated. Google!

Where would you go to get food if you were a ferocious starving lion in Africa?

The watering hole!

I don't care who you are, your butt WILL be at the watering hole at some point!

Work smarter not harder. Get a website, rank it, have leads find you.

If that takes too long. Get a website. A GOOD one.  and do facebook ads.

You'll get far more reliable success.

Want my recommendation for a Good website host, just message me!

 This is factually incorrect and I can prove it, using a Mathematical method called Proof Theory. Look it up. There is an actual entire department of mathematics called Proof Theory.

Proof theory is where you can take theories, concepts, and statements, and treat them as actual mathematical objects. You can add them subtract them use conditional logic.. truly fascinating and a POWERFUL tool to master.

Imagine you are in a city, and one investor is in that city, and the rest are homeowners.

Let's make an assumption that DMM actually works (it truly doesn't, but let's assume it does).

If one investor sends everyone mailers, great!

Now other investors in different cities see his success and want a part of it. So they too start sending mailers. First investor 1 gets all the motivated sellers. Then .. now, he needs to split them. The more and more investors come in his market the more he has to share/split the leads.

What does this prove?

The effectiveness of his "pick one strategy", doesn't depend on JUST the strategy chosen. It also depends on market saturation.

So in other words, you CAN NOT say "all lead generation works", when the effectiveness of that strategy chosen depends on factors outside of the scope of that strategy. Not because DMM worked in a town in the middle of nowhere does it mean  "ok so that means it should also work in downtown LA". 

Now remember this is logical proof. Opinion has nothing to do with it. You can tell others all you want, you can give advice all you want.  According to math, the advice is wrong.

Now, this is assuming DMM works. Even with this HUGE assumption that DMM works, your advice is still wrong.

Now consider this next:  Now I will show you proof through DATA or experimentation.

If all lead generation "works" why are so many people struggling? 

Raise your hand, everyone, how many of you just picked one, stuck with it, and are not millionaires? Sure I am sure there are a few. But if you could be actually honest, we all know very well that the sheer majority of people doing this are not successful!

Next, Consider This!

If a doctor came up with a new treatment to eradicate the common cold and out of 3000 people 2999 died and 1 person was cured, would you conclude the treatment worked? That is a 0.033% success rate. Seriously?

No right?

Then why using the EXACT same numbers just a different subject, and suddenly you all say "Hey to works"?!?!!

Guys everyone. I am not here to be a punk.

I am here to show you that the reason so many of you fail is because you think like this.

Stop acting like you don't have the capabilities to think analytically.

You all think and advise others based on sheer randomness, emotion, and the way the wind blows. You think, or feel like something works, dress it up as fact, and sell it to others.

Stop doing that. That is exactly why you fail.

Nothing I have mentioned here is opinion. It is numbers. I am factually right. Stop seeing what you want to see. Stop following others because you WANT their advice to be right.

I don't doubt your friend had success, you even may have had success. 

But you can't take 0.033% of the results of an experiment that sway one way, and ignore the other 96.67% that sway the OTHER way and selectively pick the 0.033% as the winner and ignore the 96.67% just because you like that outcome.

That's ridiculous!! Completely incomprehensible to me that so many of you risk your entire businesses on that notion. 

I don't get it.

Peace!

Quote from @Jose Jacob:

Quote from @Jerryll Noorden:

Quote from @Joe S.:

How would somebody find help running a Facebook campaign? 

 Joe, dude, that is a struggle.

Many people offer facebook ads, but I honestly have not met anyone to do it how it should be done.

So let me try to help at least vet potential companies offering FB ads.

The structure of a Facebook ad is as follows.

You have the ad Angle (or copy), which is the text of the ad, you have the creative, which is the media (pictures gis videos), and you have the audience, which is the kind of people the ad will be shown to.

So here is one Ad SET:

You can see my angle (which is an ad copy I wrote which I called "$360K", you can see I have 5 creatives (pictures in this case, picture 1, picture 25, picture 50, picture 53 and picture 59) and I have an audience that is blurred as this is a trade secret.

Clicking on this ad SET you will see the actual ad, where you can see all the pictures associated with that specific ad set.

Imagine you have 30 audiences, 5 creatives and 3 angles.

What Facebook does is :

Takes Ange 1 + Creative 1 + Audience 1 and launches it. At the same time :

Ange 1 + Creative 1 + Audience 2

Ange 1 + Creative 1 + Audience 3

All the way to : Ange 1 + Creative 1 + Audience 30

THEN:

It starts over but this time

Ange 2 + Creative 1 + Audience 1

Ange 2 + Creative 1 + Audience 2

Ange 2 + Creative 1 + Audience 3
All the way till: Ange 2 + Creative 1 + Audience 30

It keeps going until all possible combinations are reached.

Facebook launches ALL of them at the same time and then sees what best combination works.

You take that winning combination, cut all the other ones and start duplicating the winning one.

So now you know exactly what combination of Angle, creative, and audience is the winning one. And you can scale from there.


It is just hard to find a company that does it right because no one shares how they do it. So what you need to do to vet the right company you ask them questions like, how do they plan to scale, and when do they cut the ads that don't seem to work.

There are specific answers to those questions to vet and see if they truly know what they are doing.

And that is how you find the right company. You just have to vet them hard.

 Jerryll is an extremely brilliant NASA scientist.  He knows what he is talking about.  Moreover that he has a genuine heart to help people.  I know him personally for over a year. Very clever dude.

 HEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEY Dide thank you man.   

Why doesn't BP have heart emoticons?!

 Joe, dude, that is a struggle.

Many people offer facebook ads, but I honestly have not met anyone to do it how it should be done.

So let me try to help at least vet potential companies offering FB ads.

The structure of a Facebook ad is as follows.

You have the ad Angle (or copy), which is the text of the ad, you have the creative, which is the media (pictures gis videos), and you have the audience, which is the kind of people the ad will be shown to.

So here is one Ad SET:

You can see my angle (which is an ad copy I wrote which I called "$360K", you can see I have 5 creatives (pictures in this case, picture 1, picture 25, picture 50, picture 53 and picture 59) and I have an audience that is blurred as this is a trade secret.

Clicking on this ad SET you will see the actual ad, where you can see all the pictures associated with that specific ad set.

Imagine you have 30 audiences, 5 creatives and 3 angles.

What Facebook does is :

Takes Ange 1 + Creative 1 + Audience 1 and launches it. At the same time :

Ange 1 + Creative 1 + Audience 2

Ange 1 + Creative 1 + Audience 3

All the way to : Ange 1 + Creative 1 + Audience 30

THEN:

It starts over but this time

Ange 2 + Creative 1 + Audience 1

Ange 2 + Creative 1 + Audience 2

Ange 2 + Creative 1 + Audience 3
All the way till: Ange 2 + Creative 1 + Audience 30

It keeps going until all possible combinations are reached.

Facebook launches ALL of them at the same time and then sees what best combination works.

You take that winning combination, cut all the other ones and start duplicating the winning one.

So now you know exactly what combination of Angle, creative, and audience is the winning one. And you can scale from there.


It is just hard to find a company that does it right because no one shares how they do it. So what you need to do to vet the right company you ask them questions like, how do they plan to scale, and when do they cut the ads that don't seem to work.

There are specific answers to those questions to vet and see if they truly know what they are doing.

And that is how you find the right company. You just have to vet them hard.

I am honored. You created an entire brand-new profile just to reply to this thread. 

And, thanks for the backlink!

;)

Exactly.

I am selling a high-ticket course, and it made me a lot of money but the grind is unreal. 

Then our students were having a crazy hard time with the current leading website provider and I had to come in and fix a bunch of crap that was wrong with said internet hosting and template provider so much so that they stopped offering our students support due to "custom code" on our websites.

So I said fine. I will build my own. 

Little did I know,  that is producing FARRRRRRRRR better results in the passive income department than buying a Godamn $400K house just to make 100 dollars passive income a month.

It is REDICULOUS.

Now, I get 2 people to subscribe to my subscription-based products and voila, little risk, little overhead true passive income.

SAAS is where it's at folks when it comes to passive income. NOT Real Estate!

Willing to sell is not the same as willing to accept an offer below market value. That is the difference between a seller, and a motivated seller. 

What I have been saying is this. Nothing can target motivated sellers.. no lists, no software, no gadgets no pocket list no nothing. Someone's current situation they are, no matter how bad, has ZERO relevance to their willingness to sell below market value. 

That is why someone in foreclosure rather see their own house burn to the ground than sell to you (much less at a discount).  You are going to have to send anywhere between 3000 to 5000 mailers to start to see a better probability to get a deal.

That is simply the nature of the beast.

Now as a reference. This guy started taking his website seriously in Feb,  around the time you posted this.

4 weeks later:

Now don't misunderstand. I am not telling you to buy whatever I am selling. My point is, work smarter, not harder! Again, you don't need to buy anything from me. I have a lot of posts here on BP where I give all my secrets out for free. Just do a search for my name.

Website, make it credible, and drive people to your website... the RIGHT people, you will do far better, far faster,  than mailers, texts, or calls!

if you have questions just ask.

Here to help!