Skip to content
×
Pro Members Get
Full Access!
Get off the sidelines and take action in real estate investing with BiggerPockets Pro. Our comprehensive suite of tools and resources minimize mistakes, support informed decisions, and propel you to success.
Advanced networking features
Market and Deal Finder tools
Property analysis calculators
Landlord Command Center
ANNUAL Save 16%
$32.50 /mo
$390 billed annualy
MONTHLY
$39 /mo
billed monthly
7 day free trial. Cancel anytime
×
Try Pro Features for Free
Start your 7 day free trial. Pick markets, find deals, analyze and manage properties.
All Forum Categories
All Forum Categories
Followed Discussions
Followed Categories
Followed People
Followed Locations
Market News & Data
General Info
Real Estate Strategies
Landlording & Rental Properties
Real Estate Professionals
Financial, Tax, & Legal
Real Estate Classifieds
Reviews & Feedback

All Forum Posts by: John Horner

John Horner has started 112 posts and replied 1113 times.

Post: 150 Flips in 2014!

John Horner
Posted
  • Flipper/Rehabber
  • Columbus, OH
  • Posts 1,158
  • Votes 655

I didn't read anything that @Justin Williams posted that was plugging his webinar or coaching. So what if he has the info at the very end of his profile.

I like the post, plug or not, keep it up man!

Post: Making enough offers

John Horner
Posted
  • Flipper/Rehabber
  • Columbus, OH
  • Posts 1,158
  • Votes 655

Find a young eager RE agent who wants clients and has time on their hands and have them submit all the low-ball offers. If you're only going to use the MLS anyway you may as well have your own agent submitting offers.

Why don't you just make offers without seeing the property. The odds of them accepting your first offer are slim and none, so you wouldn't be wasting peoples times by putting properties in contract without buying. If they counter with something you think you could work with, go see the place.

Post: Are real estate degrees worth it?

John Horner
Posted
  • Flipper/Rehabber
  • Columbus, OH
  • Posts 1,158
  • Votes 655

I think the basic accounting, finance, economics, etc courses can help everyone, but especially small business owners.

Post: Are real estate degrees worth it?

John Horner
Posted
  • Flipper/Rehabber
  • Columbus, OH
  • Posts 1,158
  • Votes 655

Actually 6 years ago when I graduated there were no Entrepreneurship or real estate courses at my school. I was a business major (Supply Chain), so I did take all the finance, accounting and small business courses.

Post: Cashflow Smashflow

John Horner
Posted
  • Flipper/Rehabber
  • Columbus, OH
  • Posts 1,158
  • Votes 655
Originally posted by @Walt Payne:
Originally posted by @Brad Rondeau:
I spent all day yesterday looking at cash flow properties in other markets - Texas, Memphis, south east. The properties/neighborhoods seem rough with much larger management/tennant issues. I'll cotinure to look. As I think of my situation - I really don't need cash flow or more income at this time. All my assets continue to grow (mostly stock market) and continue to generate wealth - this is what I am after. I am well protected against any dips or downturns.
In the menatime I will take my $39 cash flow and add $100 to it each year with rent increases. I realize that my 20 year loan keeps my cash flow low but that is ok as debt is being retired much faster. My 4+ years of owning this property show expenses to be low and predictable (of course anything can happen and I am well prepared financially). If appreciation and rent increases stop today I'll continue to retire $10,000+ of principal each year thanks to my great renters. Since I bought at the bottom of a huge dip it is unlikely that a large chunk of my appreciation would be wiped out.

And that is what matters, that you looked at you options, and the numbers, and you are comfortable with it. What fits you, not any of us. I ask other people's opinions too. Sometimes they convince me, sometimes I refuse to be swayed by mere evidence to the contrary. In the end, you are the one making or losing money on the deal.

I agree with Walt.

I'm curious, what do you expect the appreciation rates to be year over year in this area?

Post: Making Offer - Via Email Ok?

John Horner
Posted
  • Flipper/Rehabber
  • Columbus, OH
  • Posts 1,158
  • Votes 655

You could sent them contract with your name but not signature. And say upon them filling it out correctly and signing you will sign and email them copy.

This is reasonable because if they make any changes and write anything in you are not bound to those changes until you finally sign.

We have sellers hand write stuff in all the time, and no one would know when it was done if you're signature is already on it.

Post: What info do I submit to a HML once I have a deal?

John Horner
Posted
  • Flipper/Rehabber
  • Columbus, OH
  • Posts 1,158
  • Votes 655

You should be in contact with a HML before you find a deal. Just like a conventional loan they can pre-approve you so to speak, then when the deal comes in they will analyze that. Most HML's have their own forms to fill out and requested documents. You will need to follow their format for submission.

Post: Are real estate degrees worth it?

John Horner
Posted
  • Flipper/Rehabber
  • Columbus, OH
  • Posts 1,158
  • Votes 655

You're a pretty darn smart kid for asking this question this early!

I was reading real estate books when I was your age but took another 8 years to really start investing.

College is a great experience and I wouldn't take it back for anything, but was the education worth it? Not really. Most professors are too busy teaching to get out and learn what's actually going on in their given field. They may read about new strategies, etc, but their not out their actually doing them.

If you do decide to go to college, try to take as many small business, entrepreneurial and real estate investing classes as possible.

Post: Cashflow Smashflow

John Horner
Posted
  • Flipper/Rehabber
  • Columbus, OH
  • Posts 1,158
  • Votes 655

@Shaun Reilly , I agree exactly.

The truth is that know one KNOWS what the market will do. Everyone can speculate, some with be right and some will be wrong, but nothing is guaranteed. 2009 was a great example that the 95% of the speculators KNEW wrong.

I'd rather take my cash flow with a side of appreciation rather then making it the main course!

Post: Cashflow Smashflow

John Horner
Posted
  • Flipper/Rehabber
  • Columbus, OH
  • Posts 1,158
  • Votes 655
Originally posted by @Bob Bowling:
Originally posted by @John Horner:

I also don't like the idea of banking on appreciation, didn't 2009 teach us anything?

Obviously not! Where were the epicenters of disaster, Vegas and Florida? Those are areas that don't have long term high appreciation rates. Yet thousands flocked in to be plucked because of a spike.

The people that I know that KNEW their appreciation rates and long term rent growth stayed with the areas that "investors" shy away from because of INITIAL lack of cash flow and misunderstanding of what an appreciation rate is.

Some were convinced to 1031 to the "cash flow" locations and saw their money go down the drain while their properties and rents in Hawaii and California lost little value and rebounded very quickly.

The lesson to learn is to KNOW all the financials of the area you are investing in and don't buy cheap for cheaps sake AND immediate cash flow is not a predictor of profitability.

I just plain disagree. I will choose guaranteed cash flow over potential appreciation every time.