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All Forum Posts by: John Horner

John Horner has started 112 posts and replied 1113 times.

Post: Handling contracts for my first wholesaler deal

John Horner
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  • Flipper/Rehabber
  • Columbus, OH
  • Posts 1,158
  • Votes 655

I used downloaded contractS for my first few wholesales, they were 100% one-side but distressed owners don't seem to care about that.

Honestly it would be in your better interest to consult a Lawyer specializing in real estate then an agent. An agent is just going to use the standard 10 page Division of Real Estate contact, but they will not be able to educate you on anything else.

A lawyer can take your exact needs and draft whatever you need.

Post: Before and After pics of out first full house flip.

John Horner
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  • Flipper/Rehabber
  • Columbus, OH
  • Posts 1,158
  • Votes 655

Looks awesome, and for only $28k, nice work!

Post: Tenants pissing

John Horner
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  • Flipper/Rehabber
  • Columbus, OH
  • Posts 1,158
  • Votes 655

I was laughing until I got to @Gail K. 's post...

Post: Buying Property Strategy

John Horner
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  • Flipper/Rehabber
  • Columbus, OH
  • Posts 1,158
  • Votes 655
Originally posted by @Jonathan Emery:
Hi,

I have been asked if I would be interested in the following strategy to have properties in my portfolio. I am looking for advice how to go about doing this.

Someone I know wants to purchase a property with a mortgage, fix it and sell it to me leaving me with a cash flowing property. We are thinking I would then get a mortgage and he would do a seller finance for the down payment. He is also looking to have money in his pocket after selling me the property to do it all over again. I would think this is something that other investors do. I know there are a lot of holes here that we need to fill to make sure we can do something like this smoothly. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you

Jon

So he gets a mortgage and fixes up, then you buy cash and then refi? Then he buys it back from you seller finance? So you are stuck with the mortgage and he goes and finds another "you" to do this again?

Couldn't you do this without him and cut out the middle man?

Post: How do you automate your real estate marketing?

John Horner
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  • Flipper/Rehabber
  • Columbus, OH
  • Posts 1,158
  • Votes 655

I just hired my first answering service and it has taken a lot off my plate. I also use a VA for SEO and PPC to my website.

What other services do you use to automate your marketing and lead capturing?!

Post: Violating the 70% rule and still making money?

John Horner
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  • Flipper/Rehabber
  • Columbus, OH
  • Posts 1,158
  • Votes 655

I am a violator.

My partner and I debate about this very frequently due to our unusual partnership, but anyhow, here is the skinny.

I strongly believe that in the Columbus, OH market that rate will fluctuate from 65% to 75% depending on the location.

The demand in a war zone may be even lower then 65%, and in some of the very desirable areas may be higher then 75%.

Post: Looking for a Real Estate Apprentice in the Columbus Area.

John Horner
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  • Flipper/Rehabber
  • Columbus, OH
  • Posts 1,158
  • Votes 655

My partner and I are local investors in the Columbus Ohio area.

We are looking for an eager up-and-comer who wants to learn about real estate and get paid to meet with clients, take pics, etc.

This would be paid on a per deal basis. Part-time but must be flexible with time.

We do all of our deals in Central Ohio, mostly within Franklin County.

If you are interested, please contact me.

Post: Wholesale REOs

John Horner
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  • Flipper/Rehabber
  • Columbus, OH
  • Posts 1,158
  • Votes 655
Originally posted by @Bill Gulley:
I'd suggest you do some reading on the issues of wholesaling, including our new members. Stay away from REOs and foreclosures as a new operator, it requires more than guru knowledge.

You need about 10 to 15 good buyers, know what they want and spend your time filling those needs not just picking up anything then beating the bushes.

How do you find good deals not on the MLS? Shoe leather, walk and talk, meet people, net work in social and civic groups, let people know you're in RE. Never buy a cup of coffee or buy a beer without asking if the waitress knows anyone who wants to buy or sell a house. When they say "my aunt wants to sell here home" that's how you find off market deals.

Look for vacant homes without a sign. If you see some older guy carrying out a mop and bucket of an empty house, what was he probably doing? He's cleaning up his rental, you can tell him how to get out of all that landlord stuff and get close to the same money by seller financing the place to you.

You don't find deals on the internet, you make deals happen face to face with people. If you don't meet people, your chances just went way down.

And, learn the basics of RE and get out of the limited niche of wholesaling. Do you want a market of 200 buyers or 200,000 buyers? I'll take the larger market. :)

Shoe leather is one way to do it. Bill, I don't think you understand the volume that needs to be done to find the motivated sellers. Even if the waitresses aunt want to sell her house, the odds of her selling it to a wholesaler for 65% of ARV is somewhere between slim and none. Plus after you make the offer and she gets offended you're going to feel weird going back to that restaurant :)

IMHO, talking to people face to face will get you there, but it will take years longer. Websites, direct mail, these are tools we use to create quick volume marketing, so even though only 0.05% are actually motivated sellers, you still have enough volume to support your business!

Post: Wholesale REOs

John Horner
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  • Flipper/Rehabber
  • Columbus, OH
  • Posts 1,158
  • Votes 655

@Patrick L. , I have to disagree with you.

I don't personally wholesale REO's, but there is a fellow here in Columbus who does exactly that. He typically uses the HUD site to bid on properties, we will get them at maybe $5k-$10k under asking, then wholesale them at $3k above that. His goal is volume and his deals get purchase by cash buyers very often. He has a 3-5 day period before he has to pay the $500 earnest, so he blasts it out to cash buyers and if there is little to no interest he will extinguish the contract.

Patrick is correct that you won't be able to assign, but double closing is always an option.

I'm not saying it's easy, but if you do it right, understand the process and cover yourself, it is certainly possible.

Post: Read all I can read on Wholesaling..Now what?

John Horner
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  • Flipper/Rehabber
  • Columbus, OH
  • Posts 1,158
  • Votes 655

@Lawrence Walker

Learn all you can but you have to take action eventually. I over-educated at first and got the point where I couldn't read another RE book or article, I had to take action.

If you wait until you are sure of something before you take action, you never will:)

The best education is sending out a mailer and talking to sellers first hand!