All Forum Posts by: Jordan Ray
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Post: Loans Question - starting out

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Quote from @Michele Jones:
@David M. - I would prefer not to tap into my equity. From what I gathered and read about portfolio loans was that it isn’t sold to the secondary market plus the rental income could be used to determine how much I can qualify for? Perhaps I misunderstood.
With a conventional loan, I have to put down 20% which isn’t the issue. I am just trying to figure out what loans would work with my situation.
Thats a DSCR loan. (Debt Service Coverage Ratio). It doesn't sound like you are being educated correctly. I would be happy to jump on a call with you and answer any questions you have about this process.
Post: Loans Question - starting out

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Quote from @Michele Jones:
@Jordan Ray - doing a BRRR is not conducive with my family as I have kids and moving them is away from their friends is highly unlikely. But if I were in a different situation, this would be something I could do.
I have been talking to a few agents/investors on here prior to the holidays but now I’m back at gathering more info before I rip the cord and make my first purchase.
The BRRRR Method does not require you to move and can be done from anywhere.
Post: Loans Question - starting out

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- Memphis, TN
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Quote from @Michele Jones:
Hi!! I am just starting out and looking to invest in Memphis. I have been talking with Dean Harris & Taz. I need to reconnect as the holidays were crazy. That being said, I want to start out conservatively as I will be a long-distance landlord. I currently reside in South OC (SoCal) and own my house. I am looking out of state because I do not want to be a landlord here as it is expensive and not landlord friendly.
My question is…should I get a Portfolio Loan as I would refinance in a year or so? I would not want to tap into my equity in my house, 401k or my savings. I guess this would be coined as creative financing? What are the disadvantages? Advantages?
Also, could I take a portfolio Loan on a second home?
any advice and/or suggestions are welcome.
Thanks!
You cant get a portfolio loan without having already owned a portfolio of rentals. You might need a DSCR loan or you can use a conventional loan. Btw using the equity in your home is a great tool to use to tap into other acquisition products to land your first deal and to keep the process going. Look up on YouTube the BRRRR method which is a popular BiggerPockets invented strategy. You should really dig into the educational parts of this or even reach out to some investor friendly lenders here on BiggerPockets. Let me know if I can help with anything at all. Goodluck!
Post: Do you track your net worth?

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I actually track my net worth on the Rocket Money app. After putting in my assets and debts, I felt better about myself realizing my net worth was more than I thought haha! Still got some growing to do, definitely not where I want to be and I am not sure I will ever be satisfied.
Post: How to calculate hard money cost without an excel calculator?

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Quote from @David C.:
Assuming loan is 70% of ARV (that's 100% of purchase + 100% of rehab), and it takes you 6 months to complete, and terms are, as you said, 5pts and 13%:
Loan = 70% x ARV
Loan cost = 5% x Loan + (13%/2) x Loan
Post: How to calculate hard money cost without an excel calculator?

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Quote from @Joe Davis:
I would avoid going for 100 & 100 if 5 points.. As a lender, we do 90 & 100 - but only 2 points, it's going to balance out better in my opinion.
So 70% Loan To Value (Max) and 90% of Purchase and 100% of Rehab.
Let's say your ARV is $300,000 and your purchase is $170,000 and your rehab is $60,000
Initial loan (90% of Purchase) = $153,000
Rehab (100%) = $60,000
Total Loan = $213,000 requested.
70% MAX of $300,000 = $210,000 - So we would adjust the loan to this.
Got it. I can understand why you would say that, however in my market if i can get a deal that pencils with this & be able to buy more.. this works great. Thank you
Post: How to calculate hard money cost without an excel calculator?

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Quote from @David C.:
Assuming loan is 70% of ARV (that's 100% of purchase + 100% of rehab), and it takes you 6 months to complete, and terms are, as you said, 5pts and 13%:
Loan = 70% x ARV
Loan cost = 5% x Loan + (13%/2) x Loan
Thank you. I will use this formula you sent on my next deal I analyze for myself. I appreciate it!
Post: 60 of the 100 largest U.S. cities now negative rent growth

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Quote from @Justin Goodin:
60 of the 100 largest U.S. cities now negative rent growth, according to Apartment List.

Here's the list:
1. Oakland, CA -9.3%
2. Huntsville, AL -5.7%
3. Atlanta, GA -5.6%
4. Austin, TX -5.4%
5. Portland, OR -5.4%
6. St. Louis, MO -5.4%
7. San Francisco, CA -5.2%
8. Phoenix, AZ -5.0%
9. Boise, ID -4.9%
10. Reno, NV -4.6%
11. Corpus Christi, TX -4.5%
12. Long Beach, CA -4.3%
13. Orlando, FL -4.3%
14. Jacksonville, FL -4.2%
15. Nashville, TN -4.2%
16. Raleigh, NC -4.0%
17. Los Angeles, CA -3.8%
18. Irving, TX -3.7%
19. Mesa, AZ -3.7%
20. Gilbert, AZ -3.6%
21. Chandler, AZ -3.5%
22. Glendale, AZ -3.5%
23. Sacramento, CA -3.3%
24. Colorado Springs, CO -3.3%
25. San Antonio, TX -3.1%
26. Scottsdale, AZ -3.0%
27. Plano, TX -2.7%
28. Fort Worth, TX -2.7%
29. Riverside, CA -2.5%
30. Charlotte, NC -2.5%
31. San Diego, CA -2.4%
32. Dallas, TX -2.0%
33. Tacoma, WA -1.8%
34. Fremont, CA -1.8%
35. Yonkers, NY -1.7%
36. Cleveland, OH -1.7%
37. Miami, FL -1.6%
38. Spring Valley, NV -1.6%
39. North Las Vegas, NV -1.5%
40. Richmond, VA -1.5%
41. Las Vegas, NV -1.4%
42. San Jose, CA -1.1%
43. Denver, CO -1.1%
44. St. Petersburg, FL -1.1%
45. Pittsburgh, PA -1.0%
46. Des Moines, IA -0.9%
47. New Orleans, LA -0.9%
48. St. Paul, MN -0.9%
49. Albuquerque, NM -0.8%
50. Durham, NC -0.7%
51. Henderson, NV -0.5%
52. Houston, TX -0.5%
53. Memphis, TN -0.5%
54. Chula Vista, CA -0.5%
55. Seattle, WA -0.5%
56. Tampa, FL -0.4%
57. Winston-Salem, NC -0.4%
58. Minneapolis, MN -0.3%
59. Columbus, OH -0.2%
60. Enterprise, NV -0.1%
In 2023, many cities that saw rents skyrocket early in the pandemic are cheaper today than they were one year ago, according to Apartment List.
I thought this was an interesting article. Here is the link to the article if anyone wants to read.
Post: How to calculate hard money cost without an excel calculator?

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How is it going? I am a realtor & real estate investor in the Memphis, TN market. I suck at math & I am trying to calculate how to paper analyze a BRRRR deal with hard money without using excel. Does anyone know a simple way to calculate this?
ARV x 70% - repairs - (hard money cost) I assume but how do I break down those costs?
I have rental property now but I have never used hard money like we have it here in our market with some of our local lenders being at 100% of the purchase & 100% of the rehab just pay closings costs like points (Which are very expensive at 5 points & 12-13% interest with this method)
I am just having a hard time trusting that I am calculating this correctly... either that or I am over thinking it.
Thanks in advance!
Post: DSCR Loans for BRRRR Deals in Memphis - Only 90 Days Seasoning for Cash Out!

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Quote from @Alex Bekeza:
@Jordan Ray Feel free to reach out anytime sir!
Will do! I will reach out on Monday!