All Forum Posts by: Josiah Sia
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Post: Can you BRRRR with financing, or just hard money/cash?

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Starting out with REI and the BRRRR process seems great. For someone with minimal connections and little capital ($50k) it will be difficult to do a complete BRRRR project. Almost everything I've read or listened to in the BP podcasts and forums showcase doing the BRRRR strategy with hard money loans or cash.
Is it possible to do the BRRRR method with financing to start the process off (buy), then refinancing after the seasoning period? Say doing a conventional 5% DP loan to purchase a property, then doing a refinance after the appraisal after the rehab? Is there any major negative or downsides to doing it this way? Or am I missing something and this wouldn't really work?
Post: How should I invest in real estate?

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Originally posted by @Jim Goebel:
I think you need to let the numbers inform your analysis/decision making in this regard. SFH with BRRRR and some early house hacking worked for us, however deals may exist in other avenues - and those deals need to be 'synced' up with your skill-set and financing situation, as well.....
I was wanting to get into 2-4 MFHs already but do you think it makes more sense to start off with SFHs? Was actually looking to kick off with a quad!
Post: How should I invest in real estate?

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Howdy BP community! Loving everyone here and all the insight into real estate I've been getting. I'm a complete noobie and I think I've been asking the wrong question so far because I keep going back to the drawing board.
My wife and I are diving head first into this game. Our goal is be financially free with $15-20k in monthly passive income in 10 years. We've recently took our budget and loans to the chopping block and are able to save $49k annually of extra income to use towards this journey. We have a starting savings of $40k.
Instead of asking "will X or Y plan work," I'd like to ask all you more experience investors; How would you achieve our goal with our financial situation as it is? SFH or MFH buy and hold? BRRRR? Buy and pay off SFH/MFHs to maximize cash flow? How would you start? How would you build/ramp up or "work the stack?"
Please advise. Any input is greatly appreciated.
Post: My first flip at age 21. Numbers and pictures!

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@Spencer Cornelia Thanks Spencer! That makes sense.
Post: My first flip at age 21. Numbers and pictures!

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Thanks for sharing! Nice before and after on the outside!
What is sellers concessions if you don't mind me asking? Did you not have to front the $94k? So when you sold it for $159k, is that when you paid off the seller and just pocketed the rest?
Noob here trying to learn as much as he can before jumping into the deep end :)
P.S. Omg that kitchen is gorgeous.
Post: Downsides for conservative investing?

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Originally posted by @Steve K.:
@Josiah Sia owning a property outright feels good and everything until you realize you could get a conservative mortgage at say 60-75% LTV with a 4% interest rate and make a much better than 4% return using that money on another investment be it stocks, additional properties or whatever you choose, while also benefitting from the associated tax advantages. There's a substantial opportunity cost of money to leaving dead equity in a property when interest rates are so low and investments providing much better than 4% returns are plentiful.
It's funny you mentioned this. I just got to Chapter 15 on Brandon Turners Rental Property Investing book and be breaks the difference of going all in cash vs utilizing a conservative LTV. Now I'm re-thinking...
I might adjust the plan to when the year is dry to pay off half to support the other half that is financed. And do something balanced like some of the previous suggestions. I'm sure more things will pivot along the way since plans are just meant to be a stepping stone and not always followed to the T. I'll keep this in mind as I'm starting to understand the benefits of the financing route a bit more.
Post: Downsides for conservative investing?

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Originally posted by @Frank Maratta:
@Henry Lazerow
I agree re: leverage. once the OP gets started he will realize the power of leverage and realize that the return seen on paying off a house is better spent acquiring the next deal with 25% down.
We all say, “I’ll buy this or that and pay it down sooner” but in reality once someone gets started, they get the bug, realize the power of leverage, and save up for the next deal instead. It just doesn’t happen.
Solution: take 15 or 20 year mortgages
We'll see how this bug affects me when it bites! I'm going to adjust the plan a bit already to purchase more properties vs buy and pay down and not buy until paid down. Sounds good!
Post: Downsides for conservative investing?

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Originally posted by @Henry Lazerow:
I always recommend clients a middle ground. Use some leverage, do a light value add, etc. It's not all or nothing. You don't need to 100% cash out BRRR to get rich in real estate but leverage is what makes real estate return higher then stocks. Mortgage rates are at 4% right now investing is very profitable with a moderate amount of leverage.
In regards to the 10k a month awesome goal!
Everyone keeps telling em this! Must be right! hahah
I'll definitely pivot my plan a bit to maybe do what some others here have recommended where I use my financed properties to help pay off half my other properties.
Great advice!
Post: Downsides for conservative investing?

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Originally posted by @Mario Am:
@Josiah Sia I totally recommend you to buy the book “multi family millions” from amazon.
It is a goldmine and priceless.
Your wish can be done by just 1 deal, What I would do is instead buying a 1 multi unit for 600k (which will generate 5-6k a month best case).
I’d put it as a down payment for a 3milion dollars multi unit that will generate 25k a month minus 50% expenses and WOOP here u go u got 12,500 a month in a minute)
What is so fun about multifamily that they can generate good money VERY FAST.
Thank you! I'm always looking for more books to read and learn from. Trying to finish @Brandon Turner 2 books right now. 3/4s through Rental Property Investing right now!
That's quite a bit of capital to save up for my first purchase... Maybe I do a quad first and then get experience with that and build up :P
Post: Downsides for conservative investing?

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That's awesome! I did the same hahah
50, 100, and 200 cash flow per MFH unit and when they are fully paid off. Helped my wife get on board :)